Any Console Fans Here?

[Arcadian]

So who owns a Dreamcast here? How about who is interested in Playstation 2 or Game Cube? Is anyone actually planning on getting X-Box out there? Or is the PC still the perfect gaming platform?

[jaggy]

Originally posted by Arcadian:
So who owns a Dreamcast here? How about who is interested in Playstation 2 or Game Cube? Is anyone actually planning on getting X-Box out there? Or is the PC still the perfect gaming platform?

Well let's see, i have a dreamcast.. which i'm very happy with (and i believe it will beat the PS2 blindfolded), however im currently wondering wether to get a PS2, or wait a year (more or less) for the Gamecube. I'm not too sure about the X-Box, it seems interesting, but i think ill just wait and see how it fairs when it ships.

Well i definately think that the PC is still the best gaming platform out there, for those who have the MONEY for it! Because sure you can do tons of other things than games on a PC, but now you can go on the net with your dreamcast, so other than Applications (and a few other things) there's nothing stopping a console from being the same thing as a PC, except costing ~1800$ less (varies of course).
Of course PCs are built on a total variety of choice and upgradability, but consoles are getting more upgradable too, slowly, but surely.

I think the only way to know is just to keep one's eyes open in the next few years (which is hard to avoid, unless your dead)

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[DoomLurker]

Yep, I too think that the PC is the best gaming platform out there. Heres a few reasons:

Console games played on televisions. Televisions are nothing compared to a monitor. So you see, neo, the console will never be as good as you (PC) can be. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Keyboard / Mouse is the ultimate combination for fps games, which is probebly the most popular flavor of game right now. I cant wait until people with the new internet consoles start playin games with thier PC brethren....then they will see the power of the mouse, hehe. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

[alexross]

Can't complain. I have had a PS2 (from Japan) for nine months now, a DC for ages and a Nintendo 64. It's fun sometimes on the big telly... but I have to say there are some games a console just can do yet. Namely UT and Quake3

Originally posted by DoomLurker:
Yep, I too think that the PC is the best gaming platform out there. Heres a few reasons:

Console games played on televisions. Televisions are nothing compared to a monitor. So you see, neo, the console will never be as good as you (PC) can be. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Keyboard / Mouse is the ultimate combination for fps games, which is probebly the most popular flavor of game right now. I cant wait until people with the new internet consoles start playin games with thier PC brethren....then they will see the power of the mouse, hehe. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif





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[Arcadian]

Originally posted by alexross:
Can't complain. I have had a PS2 (from Japan) for nine months now, a DC for ages and a Nintendo 64. It's fun sometimes on the big telly... but I have to say there are some games a console just can do yet. Namely UT and Quake3


Speaking of which, I hope you do reviews on QIII and UT for Dreamcast. I want to know if the consoles do these games justice. If the Dreamcast conversion is up to your standards, I will definately have to get these games!


[This message has been edited by Arcadian (edited September 11, 2000).]

[Aurora]

I have a Dreamcast and a Playstation, but I still prefer PC gaming. I find the consoles really good for when the kiddo wnats to play a game with Mom, or for when I wanna sprawl on the couch or in bed and do some playing (kind of hard to do that with the PC) http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif.

As of late, my favorite DC game is Sword of the Berserk, and Fear Effect (psx). Any suggestions for good DC or PSX games? I'm also wondering if you know of any controllers made for either console that are better suited for a child with very small hands... he has a real hard time holding the DC controller especially.



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[Arcadian]

Originally posted by Aurora:
I have a Dreamcast and a Playstation, but I still prefer PC gaming. I find the consoles really good for when the kiddo wnats to play a game with Mom, or for when I wanna sprawl on the couch or in bed and do some playing (kind of hard to do that with the PC) http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif.

As of late, my favorite DC game is Sword of the Berserk, and Fear Effect (psx). Any suggestions for good DC or PSX games? I'm also wondering if you know of any controllers made for either console that are better suited for a child with very small hands... he has a real hard time holding the DC controller especially.


So far, the best Dreamcast games I own are (in no particular order):

SegaGT (best racing game, ever!)
Resident Evil: Code Veronica (not for kids, but very scary and very good!)
Soul Calibur (best fighting game, ever!)
Guantlet Legends (great for multiplayer!)
Crazy Taxi (you will love this no matter who you are!)
NBA2k (best Basketball game, ever!)
Sonic Adventure (great for kids, with lots of replay value!)

All these games are great. Sega did very well to get these on their system.

[sandman]

i would have to disagree with people here
the console is made for games, a computer can play games but wasnt built for games in the first place. console were born and designed for one specific task, games and that was all.
yes the pc is the most popular, u could say, but look how many crappy pc games are there. most of the people u speak to will mention maybe 10, maybe not even that many good games on a pc right now, the most pop is UT and Quake. Quake 3 is believed to be on the ps2, there are game on a pc u cant get for a console, and there are games on a console u cant get for a pc
my simple answer is have both, a pc and a console, the console is your personal choice.
wither it is a microcrap (hehe) console, or the ones that have been in the business for years.
the ps2 will be the overall winner in the console department, with ease, sega make the best arcade games, but not that good in console area

[alexross]

Arcadian,

Truth be told I love games (like duh!) so I tend to own everything I can. It's not only important for me to keep a fresh eye on things but it's bloody fun too. I've have loadsa PCs which nothing can replace in my book for UT and Quake 3. I have two Dreamcasts (one Japanese one which I have had since September 1998) which I use for NFL 2K1 (amazing!), Ecco and Sega GT. Then a Playstation 2 since late March, which I use for Fifa 2000, Dead or Alive 2, Fantavision and soon GT 2000. Then there's an N64 collecting dust and a Gameboy, which I can't find. Basically there are some really unique games on every platform. But obviously the PC is my favorite. I'll obviously have to own an X-Box and Dolphin (I mean Cube) as well as it's my job but I'm sure I'll enjoy 'em all in some way. The weak link for me right now (only because they've never done one before is the X-Box).

And to anyone that says "PC Gaming is on its way downhill" I challenge to go to E3 or something http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/wink.gif

Originally posted by Arcadian:
So who owns a Dreamcast here? How about who is interested in Playstation 2 or Game Cube? Is anyone actually planning on getting X-Box out there? Or is the PC still the perfect gaming platform?



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[alexross]

Oh we will. I promise you that http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif Can't not do 'em... The biggest problem I have with 3Dfps on consoles is those pesky controllers. Like where is my mouse dammit?

I have to say I've got the N64 version of Quake 2 and for people that can't afford PCs etc.. it's really quite amazing what they can do with so little in the hardware department. That's what I like about the console gaming development community. They have a tight spec to work to, where as the PC developers either get lazy and don't optimize code for people with lesser machines or they just get their heads lost in the clouds because they are using $5000 systems that nobody owns.

Originally posted by Arcadian:
Speaking of which, I hope you do reviews on QIII and UT for Dreamcast. I want to know if the consoles do these games justice. If the Dreamcast conversion is up to your standards, I will definately have to get these games!


[This message has been edited by Arcadian (edited September 11, 2000).]



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[jaggy]

Originally posted by alexross:
Arcadian,

Truth be told I love games (like duh!) so I tend to own everything I can. It's not only important for me to keep a fresh eye on things but it's bloody fun too. I've have loadsa PCs which nothing can replace in my book for UT and Quake 3. I have two Dreamcasts (one Japanese one which I have had since September 1998) which I use for NFL 2K1 (amazing!), Ecco and Sega GT. Then a Playstation 2 since late March, which I use for Fifa 2000, Dead or Alive 2, Fantavision and soon GT 2000. Then there's an N64 collecting dust and a Gameboy, which I can't find. Basically there are some really unique games on every platform. But obviously the PC is my favorite. I'll obviously have to own an X-Box and Dolphin (I mean Cube) as well as it's my job but I'm sure I'll enjoy 'em all in some way. The weak link for me right now (only because they've never done one before is the X-Box).

And to anyone that says "PC Gaming is on its way downhill" I challenge to go to E3 or something http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/wink.gif




So you don't have a SNES? what a shame! If i we're you i'd go buy one right now, you could probably get one for 10 or 15$, maybe 20$, and games these days you can find em for 5$ each easily enough (excluding chrono trigger which still sells used for just about how much it costed new)

And about the N64, i'll have to agree.. i've actually enjoyed alot of games on it, but primarly the games i enjoyed the most we're those that were massively multiplayer (by massive i mean of course 2-4 players) i.e. Goldeneye and Mario Party (the first, not the second). The first is of course a classic that everyone should own, but even though people might think that the second is childish or whatever, it's actually damn fun and can get very funny when your 3-4 people (alone is fun too but i do not recommend it)

As for the dreamcast, well what can i say.. i definately think that it's the best console out there (and will be for a good long while) because of a number of factors i won't get into at this point in time http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[machinegun_gotti]

My personal opinion is that console gaming is pretty much going to surprass computer gaming for a few logical reasons:

1. Mostly obviously is cost.

2. There is simply more money to be made selling games for consoles, heck, even Microsoft is jumping in with one. It may not necessarily be EASIER to program games for PS2 and GameCube, but will be a lot more straightforward. With computers, programmers have to account for countless computer set-ups.

3. The only real advantage computers had over consoles is internet play, and thats changing very soon.

The PC is far from being the PERFECT gaming platform, because there will never be a such thing! Consoles and computers both have their good and bad points, but it's nonsense to say something like:

"Or is the PC still the perfect gaming platform?

Total rubbish. I'm the world's biggest fan of PS2, but I know its not going to be a "perfect" platform. More powerful than the rest (including computers), yes.

"Well let's see, i have a dreamcast.. which i'm very happy with (and i believe it will beat the PS2 blindfolded"

I respect this statement as an opinion, but how do you think Sony put Sega under the first time? By delivering a great product and thinking ahead by years, not thinking back by them.

As an example, Saturn was designed to be the ultimate 2D machine, and when Sega saw the (then) mind-blowing 3D graphics of PlayStation, they hastily tried to increase 3D capabilities.

Sega has definitely done much better this time around, but was at a large disadvantage (technologically speaking) coming out first.
But, and I don't want to sound like free advertisement for Sony, but PS2 is going to be more than a gaming console. I leave it to you to explain how DC can beat PS2 "blindfolded".



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[Jason D'Aprile]

Well, I love console gaming. You never have to worry if the damn game is going to work from one time to the next, never have to worry about incompatibility or anything else. You put the disk in, and it works. Period. For me, this reason alone makes consoles top of the heap.

I love the Dreamcast and consider it the best gaming platform out there for most genres. It's just a damn shame it has virtually zilch in the way of decent RPG's. I got Capcom vs SNK and Spawn imports today, and like most of the high profile DC games, they're both fantastic.

One reason I like the DC so much more than Sony is that at least Sega tries to make the DC library full of variety. With totally off beat stuff like Space Channel 5, Seaman, Jet Grind Radio, Ecco, Powerstone 1 and 2, and other things, there's a lot of non-traditional, truly great stuff that you can only get on this one platform.

Just the same, when it comes to FPS, playing online, rts, and RPG's, PC's are where it's at. I'll take Planescape to Final Fantasy any day of the week. I haven't tried NFL2K1 yet (it's sitting here still...), and I'm dying to see how the hell they got a sports game to play online, but I can't imagine spending a horde of time with my DC connected to the net either.

Still though, it's a cool step in the right direction. It's somewhat ironic that UT for the PSX2 is split-screen only, while the DC version will have netplay. Thus far, and especially after their abysmal showing at E3, I'm none too impressed with the PS2. Although Koei's stuff looks good.

[petecloss]

I skipped the last generation of consoles (PlayStation didn't appeal and the Saturn was too expensive, although I recently bought a Saturn cheap and love it - NiGHTS is amazing!) but I have recently got back into console gaming. I love my Dreamcast - it's so well designed (the controller holds a VMU which has an LCD screen - genius!), there are so many great games for it (many from Sega, yet again putting their numerous talented software development groups to good use) and I can pommel my Dad at NFL Blitz 2000. ;) Can't wait for NFL2K1 either, and Space Channel 5, Samba De Amigo, SNK vs. Capcom, Sonic Adventure 2, Shen Mu and Jet Set Radio (I refuse to call it the ridiculous name they're calling it outside of Europe and Japan) are all looking like must have titles once they hit English shores.

The PlayStation 2 hasn't impressed me as much. Same controller (including silly D-pad and loose analog sticks with a stupidly tiny range of movement), ugly black box, bad DVD playback quality, few good games. Munch's Oddysey and Silent Scope are the only two games I currently care about, and they're coming out on PC and Dreamcast respectively. It's also 300 pounds in the UK, which is nuts. It kinda sucks that it will sell at that price just because people know the Playstation name and blindly think it'll automatically be good and worth such a silly amount of green, whereas the Saturn bombed when it sold for the same price. I'm sure I'll get one eventually, I'm a gamer so how could I not, but the current lineup isn't impressive enough for me to care right now, so I'll save my pennies for future quality DC games. With Epic, Raven, Legend and human Head doing games for it there are bound to be good games for it some time, just not any time soon. Besides, I'm trying to save for a flat right now, dammit. ;)

X-Box? Sounding powerful, nicer to develop for (good thing - more games, sooner) half a billion being spent on launching it. A number of good games confirmed for it, many developers apparently working on games for it. Should do well. Gamecube? Hmm. It's a dull looking box, pretty powerful but no PS killer, but Nintendo will do their usual trick of releasing one or two "killer" games a year for it, those killer games being ones I don't overly care for (as with Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong 64 and Perfect Dark).

Hmph, rant over. I'm sure I've made enemies with half the console owners in here now, but that's life. ;)

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[Arcadian]

Originally posted by machinegun_gotti:
"Or is the PC still the perfect gaming platform?

Total rubbish. I'm the world's biggest fan of PS2, but I know its not going to be a "perfect" platform. More powerful than the rest (including computers), yes.


Actually, I don't believe the PC is the perfect gaming platform. I was just trying to get the topic rolling. I actually agree with you 100%. Consoles make much better gaming machines, with the small exception of not yet having keyboard and mouse type gameplay available (which I think might change). The thing with computers, though, is that (in the near future, at least) there will be far more PCs in the world than gaming consoles. It's far too easy (and cheap) for a developer to create a PC game, so I think (for the near future, at least) PC gaming will continue strong.

In terms of consoles, I have been extremely pleased with the high quality games on the Playstation. Sony continues to sport AAA titles on their console, and I have reason to believe they will continue to do so with the Playstation 2. With the hardware of the PS2, and assuming Sony continues to have the support of key developers (Square, Namco, Capcom, Konami, etc.), I can easily see it remaining the dominant console in the market. I do have a Dreamcast, though, and I have seen some very impressive games coming out for the Dreamcast. Also, Sega has their online up and running way ahead of the competition. This may give them a huge advantage in the upcoming months (especially since the PS2 price is 2x the Dreamcast and the availability will be small). I think in the long run, though, you may be right about the PS2 being the leader once again. We'll have to see what happens with X-Box and Nintendo, because they have impressive specs as well. But, since I have no loyalty to gaming platforms, I will easily switch to another one if it is much better at the time. In the end, it's all about the games.

[Bunghole]

Something many people forget it, it don't matter how good the hardware is inside a console (or, by extension, how good a particular graphics card is inside a PC); if no-one writes decent games for it, it's dead in the water. Look at the N64; hard to program, technically way behind the times, but when people like Rare and that blokey what writes the Mario games get their hands on it, look what it can do. Remember the Atari Jaguar anyone? Brilliant console, but no-one, aside from Jeff Minter (chorus of "Who???") wrote games for it.

This is the major advantage of the PC - anyone can learn C++, get a small team together and write something. Would Serious Sam happen on a console? No, it wouldn't, and it probably never will. You will always get the most innovation from the PC, but that doesn't mean you will get the best games. What we do get (and this is why I have a PC rather than a Playstation or N64) is far more involved games, like SS2 and Deus Ex. And odd games, like Grim Fandango.

Saying that, I might just get a cheap N64 to play GoldenEye and Perfect Dark...

[CTMorseJr]

I've owned every major console to come out since the Sega Master System (and 4 systems well before it) except the Playstation (I've been burnt by Sony's crappy consumer electronics 1 too many times, and besides, my brother has one so I borrow his). That makes Sega Master, SNES, Sega Genesis (with 32X and Sega CD), 3DO (some of the best games ever), Jaguar, Sega Saturn, N64, and now Dreamcast. I've always felt that with hardware so cheap (the only unit I spent more than $200 on was the 3DO/$300) it was better to own as many systems as possible and only play the top games instead of owning 1 system and buying alot of so-so games.

The PC is still my favorite platform for many of the same reasons listed in this forum, and will remain to be for the forseeable future. With the Dreamcast looking and playing so good I think we've reached a point where a console can stay viable for along time. Even if the P2 looks better than the DC, so what. The DC games will continue to look good for years to come regardless of what are systems look like (unlike the Playstation games which are really starting to look sluggish and blocky in comparison). Now, appearance isn't everything (I know there are still some GREAT Playstation & N64 games coming out), but it's important to me. I think we're really entering the golden age of games.

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[Zero Gear]

Actually. I already have PS2.. I was never really much a fan of DC. So I hope X-Box doesn't buy out SquareSoft.

[Terminator D]

I like playing on both platforms. Console or PC. I believe that some genres of games are much better on a console and some are much better on a pc. Has anyone ever seen a decent fighting game on the PC? That said has anyone seen a real good fps on a console (apart from goldeneye and Perfect dark they are GREAT). See my point, that's why I have both a PC and a host of consoles (even an old snes). If i want to play Tekken i'll fire up the playstation but if I want to play diablo 2 or Unreal tournament I'll fire up the PC.

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[F-scape]

I am surprised noone has mentioned Game Boy Advance. With it's 32-bits risc processor it wont quite reach up to Playstation standard, but it will go a long way. And remember this little beauty is portable! That means gaming everywhere. To bad about the nasty iMac-look though. The GB Advance will also hook up to your Mobile phone for multiplayer gaming...

Check out one of the cool games, Ougon no Taiyou: http://www.nintendo.com/spaceworld/gba_ougon.html

[Rick_James9]

Wait a minute! I'm not a Console or a PC fan! I'm a pure gamer baby! I don't buy everthing because most of it's BS. But let me tell you MY point of view. I will buy a Playstation 2 because the graphics are GOOD enough for me. And, it's backward compatiable with old psx games. Most of which, I havn't played. But, this is the main reason: Sony allows the software industry to express themselves any way they like. I want my "Adult" titles(Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid)which Nintendo and Sega either like to water down or not allow at all. Yes, there are some exceptions but, I want a company that is just concerned with making the hardware! Sony has "f@#$ you money" and they're not worried about the Tipper Gore wannabes writing letters telling them to stop corrupting the youth! F Al Gore too!

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[Arcadian]

Originally posted by Rick_James9:
Wait a minute! I'm not a Console or a PC fan! I'm a pure gamer baby! I don't buy everthing because most of it's BS. But let me tell you MY point of view. I will buy a Playstation 2 because the graphics are GOOD enough for me. And, it's backward compatiable with old psx games. Most of which, I havn't played. But, this is the main reason: Sony allows the software industry to express themselves any way they like. I want my "Adult" titles(Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid)which Nintendo and Sega either like to water down or not allow at all. Yes, there are some exceptions but, I want a company that is just concerned with making the hardware! Sony has "f@#$ you money" and they're not worried about the Tipper Gore wannabes writing letters telling them to stop corrupting the youth! F Al Gore too!



Those are some great titles! So what else do you like? Have you played Resident Evil for the Dreamcast yet? Personally, I didn't think it was as scary as Resident Evil 3 for PSX, but the gfx were amazing... by far the best graphics I've seen in a video game. I like to go for the racing titles, too. Sega GT is great, but I hear Gran Turismo 2000 will be better... I'd like to see that. My other favorite genre is RPG, so I'm waiting for Grandia II. Of course PS2 will have Final Fantasy X, but that won't be out for a long time. Sigh, I guess I'm going to need both systems. I think Sega has gotten MUCH better with making adult games, but what's your opinion?

[Rick_James9]

Originally posted by Arcadian:
Those are some great titles! So what else do you like? Have you played Resident Evil for the Dreamcast yet? Personally, I didn't think it was as scary as Resident Evil 3 for PSX, but the gfx were amazing... by far the best graphics I've seen in a video game. I like to go for the racing titles, too. Sega GT is great, but I hear Gran Turismo 2000 will be better... I'd like to see that. My other favorite genre is RPG, so I'm waiting for Grandia II. Of course PS2 will have Final Fantasy X, but that won't be out for a long time. Sigh, I guess I'm going to need both systems. I think Sega has gotten MUCH better with making adult games, but what's your opinion?

I agree. Sega use to be real P-C about games because they just followed whatever Nintendo did. But, the seemed to have their own identity now. Although, I still don't understand why they let that Space 5 game out with the chick dancing with the ray-gun? Kinda ***? But, I have to say I was a LITTLE turned on by her. Yes, its sick but what can you do? The GameCube looks like it will destroy everything(including the X-box)as far as graphics. But, I'm not 12 nor do I like the *** James Bond games(sorry). Hey, don't get mad at me! I'll buy my nephew a gamecube because his mom doesn't like those bad and evil games.


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[Arcadian]

Originally posted by Rick_James9:
I agree. Sega use to be real P-C about games because they just followed whatever Nintendo did. But, the seemed to have their own identity now. Although, I still don't understand why they let that Space 5 game out with the chick dancing with the ray-gun? Kinda ***? But, I have to say I was a LITTLE turned on by her. Yes, its sick but what can you do? The GameCube looks like it will destroy everything(including the X-box)as far as graphics. But, I'm not 12 nor do I like the *** James Bond games(sorry). Hey, don't get mad at me! I'll buy my nephew a gamecube because his mom doesn't like those bad and evil games.


Yeah I have no idea why Space Channel 5 ended up being so popular. I guess the Japanese culture is into that more. But it does give you a good idea of the graphics that next generation consoles are capable of. Makes me excited about the future of gaming, no matter what platform will be on top.

Even Gamecube looks like it has possibilities. I hated N64 because of the childish graphics, but maybe part of the reason was that the hardware was better at creating cartoon like characters. I'd have to see a brand new Zelda or Metroid before I buy one though. I refuse to be lulled by Nintendo's marketing, which is in a pretty consistant state of denial, if you ask me.

I think I'll milk my Dreamcast for all it's worth (probably another year at the rate things are going), and then probably buy a Playstation 2, once the games have a chance to mature.

[havoc144]

I have the best of both worlds.

Console is the best place for RPG's and Adventure games. I'd take Final Fantasy over Balder's Gate anyday. The only RPGs on the PC which I found really worthwhile was Fallout 1 and 2.

As for FPS, no console will ever beat a PC. Pure gold. Quake 2, 3, UT, Solider of Fortune, Half-Life . . . too many to count and all sweet, plus multiplayer is right there.

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[Jason D'Aprile]

When it comes to RPG's, I'm the opposite. I'll take a good PC RPG to a console one anyday of the week. BG2 is probably the best RPG on the market. Japanese RPG's tend to bother me because they get bogged down in preachiness (same with the overly-hyped Metal Gear Solid games). Also, I like making my own character from scratch. Aside from BG2, Planescape Torment is one of the coolest RPG's ever made, along with the Fallout games. On the console side, Xenogears is probably my favorite still.

FPS have been a real mixed bag on consoles, although, rather ironically, the N64 has the best ones in the console realm--Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and also Turok 3, which is surprisingly good. Short of House of the Dead 2, which doesn't really count, there hasn't been any especially interesting games of this sort on the DC, although the PSX has had a few very decent ones--Medal of Honor, Disrupter, and if you want retro, the Doom Collection...

[Lance]

The XBox will support VERY high resolutions (something like 1900x1028 or something weird) and from what I've read, you should be able to connect it to your monitor. Will it be solid? Most likely. The interviews seem to suggest the guys making it are gamers. They want something that will kick ***, and I think that will be the XBox. Because of the potential with the XBox, and the fact that I don't have money flowing out of my butt, I'll probably wait until it comes out, then either buy it, or upgrade my PC. I don't see any other console out there that interests me enough to buy it.

And yes, it is sad that a Keyboard and Mouse won't be included with the XBox, but the developers have said they want whatever makes the XBox work, on the XBox. So you may actually see it released later, which would be a great idea, IMO.

I refuse to upgrade my existing pc any further, until I see what the XBox will do for me (when it comes out and I see some good sharkyextreme reviews on it). I have a celeron 566@850, 128MB and a GTS.

I own a modified playstation and never play it. I also still have a super nintendo, and never play it. I had a N64, never played it.

I'm seeing a pattern here. That damn computer steals the thunder every time!

[Firejava]

I have a playstation, N64, and a super nintendo. I live with five other people and the N64 gets the most work. Any multiplayer game on that system is the cause of all the work. The only one that every uses the playstation is me, because I love Gran Turismo, Gran Turismo 2, and the final fantasy series. As for the super nintendo, it is a classic!

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by Arcadian:
Actually, I don't believe the PC is the perfect gaming platform. I was just trying to get the topic rolling. I actually agree with you 100%. Consoles make much better gaming machines, with the small exception of not yet having keyboard and mouse type gameplay available (which I think might change). The thing with computers, though, is that (in the near future, at least) there will be far more PCs in the world than gaming consoles. It's far too easy (and cheap) for a developer to create a PC game, so I think (for the near future, at least) PC gaming will continue strong.



You are way off base. The game console will never take over PC Gaming. Ever try to play UT with a PSX-style pad? Its virtually impossible. A console must remain the same for at least 2 years for the technology to be profitable. Look at PS 1 games compared to the latest PC games.
You did mention that it is very easy to create a pc game, since anyone with a PC and a will can do it. This creates a very healthy competition within the market. Pc games are the most engrossing, more challenging, most well-written games that have ever been released.
Every game console must be plugged into a TV. A tv has a 640x480 resolution, any decent 17" monitor can hit double that, 1280x1024 with a much higher color depth. I know we've all played Diablo 2 with its crappy 640x480x256 resolution, we know that the bigger the monitor is, the worse it gets. That how ALL console games look next to their PC bethren.
Also, isn't the PS2 supposed to use Rambus memory, like the N64? Thats a major strike against the thing right their. Of course the final say will be reserved until we get shipping, final games. Until then, i will bide my tongue.


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[MetaBaroN]

Originally posted by Arcadian:
So who owns a Dreamcast here? How about who is interested in Playstation 2 or Game Cube? Is anyone actually planning on getting X-Box out there? Or is the PC still the perfect gaming platform?

If u like low resolutions and wanna play with a gamepad which got the size and handiness of a kidney instead of a keyboard and a mouse, then a whatsoever-box, CreamCast or a Paystation 2 are a must-buy. :-))))

greetinX from the PC-Planet
[metabaron]

[MetaBaroN]

Originally posted by Firejava:
I have a playstation, N64, and a super nintendo. I live with five other people and the N64 gets the most work. Any multiplayer game on that system is the cause of all the work. The only one that every uses the playstation is me, because I love Gran Turismo, Gran Turismo 2, and the final fantasy series. As for the super nintendo, it is a classic!
yess..and PAC-MAN and PONG are classics,too!

[Althor]

Yes, I like those little plastic beasts.
Shitty graphics on a flickering low res TV!
That rocks!
Best thing is you can't attach anything that would make it useful like mice 'n stuff.
I can see myself playing UT on the PS2 with a game pad.
Give me ten minutes and I'll throw it outta the window.

No offense, but consoles suck!

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[MetaBaroN]

Originally posted by Althor:
Yes, I like those little plastic beasts.
Shitty graphics on a flickering low res TV!
That rocks!
Best thing is you can't attach anything that would make it useful like mice 'n stuff.
I can see myself playing UT on the PS2 with a game pad.
Give me ten minutes and I'll throw it outta the window.

No offense, but consoles suck!


Yes YESS YEESSSS!! U R VERY VERY RIGHT!
And another disadvantage: You can use this hamster-cages only for playin`and possibly surfin`.That`s it!!!
Uuuh,that hurts...hundreds of bucks for these extremely limited options.


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[This message has been edited by MetaBaroN (edited October 20, 2000).]

[Acceptable_Risk]

I have to say I see a sort of convergence. While high horsepower custom PCs will probably always be around, I see most consumer computers moving more towards the simplicity and low cost of consoles while consoles will continue to get more and more functionality.
The Dreamcast can be hooked up to a SVGA monitor and already supports email and Internet access and the PS2 seems ready to offer the same in addition to more traditional I/O interfaces (USB/Firewire).
On the other hand, look at all of the PC alternatives and Internet Appliances that are being sold. Case in point, the IPaq from Compaq. It looks like a computer but don't be fooled. It is a self contained piece of hardware that runs on a WinCE derivitive that allows internet access and various other common functions. Hell a Dreamcast could hypothetically do all the same things and still play games (It even runs on CE!)
I'm not really pushing one side or another but I'm just saying we need to wait and see before saying one or another will come out on top because this is a volitile time in technology and the next big thing may be totally different.
Peace all.

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[LethalWolfe]

I'm not sure if anybody mentioned this, but another leg up the PC has is it's mod community and user made maps. Granted, some of them really suck, but others kick ***. Lord knows they extend game life. Until the we (gamers)can code mods/levels for console games PC's will always have an advantage.

Lethal