Most IMPORTANT games ever

[brianshields]

Hi everyone,
In regard to the "Best Games Ever", what does everyone think the _most important_ games are? That is - the most infuential games that made the most difference, even if they didn't achive their full potential. I'm thinking along the lines of:

* Pong
* Doom
* Gauntlet
* Civ
* Dungeon Master
* Dune II
* Defender

Games that made such increadible progress in a genre that they change the rules (notice, for example, I choose Doom over either Wolfenstein or Quake)

Oh, and flamesuits on eveyone - this has potential to get heated :>

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[BremenCulhaven]

pac-man
space invaders
Kings Quest series
early Ultima I-III series

[BoogyMan]

Wizardry.

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Super Mario Bros.
Fallout2
Shenmue

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[Lord Vader]

System Shock or Deus Ex.

[This message has been edited by Lord Vader (edited September 06, 2001).]

[Klashe]

SimCity - first, good sim game

Ultima Online - first MMORPG

Half Life - first FPS with an engaging storyline

Starcraft - first RTS with 3 truly UNIQUE, balanced races

[Blizzard]

Originally posted by Klashe:


Half Life - first FPS with an engaging storyline

Starcraft - first RTS with 3 truly UNIQUE, balanced races

I agree with those two choices. But I would like to add Unreal Tournament to the list, because it was so different from other shooters, at least multiplayer shooters. Also, perhaps Tribes from being very, very different from other shooters, and being the first (?) online shooter with real teamplay.


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[BremenCulhaven]

Originally posted by BoogyMan:
Wizardry.



One thing I can tell on here is many have not been in the gaming seen for long with some the games they recommend.

Wizardry is a great series too, another one I forgot to mention is the Zork series.

BC

[Adisharr]

Originally posted by brianshields:
Hi everyone,
In regard to the "Best Games Ever", what does everyone think the _most important_ games are? That is - the most infuential games that made the most difference, even if they didn't achive their full potential. I'm thinking along the lines of:

* Pong
* Doom
* Gauntlet
* Civ
* Dungeon Master
* Dune II
* Defender

Games that made such increadible progress in a genre that they change the rules (notice, for example, I choose Doom over either Wolfenstein or Quake)

Oh, and flamesuits on eveyone - this has potential to get heated :>


Space War (one of the very first vector games)

Adventure Land (Scott Adams)

Castle Wolfenstein (original Apple II version)

Zork I (even though it's actually a modified version of another older text adventure)

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Half-Life (showed making the code changable can make the product last longer and look better)

StarCraft

Red Alert (the whole series)

Unreal Tournament

Quake (the whole series)

[richardginn]

what no wolfinstein 3d listed yet???

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[Bing]

Yeh, add Wolfenstein!

Also, I am in favor of listing the Unreal series, rather than just UT, because after all, at the time Unreal was the first serious competition Quake had, and UT build on that by making the multiplayer part much more playable out of the box.

I would also like to add Street Fighter 2 http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/wink.gif It started the whole fighting-game mania back in the SNES/Genesis days ata decent level.

[This message has been edited by Bing (edited September 08, 2001).]

[Wurm]

I saw Fallout 2 above and would just like to say Fallout 1 was twice the game as Fallout 2.

At the time it was made, there was no real good RPG games out and those that were fell into the Might and Magic Dungeon crawl category.

Fallout with its fresh story brought a whole new twist to RPG, And I for one wish they would make a Fallout III

Some games that were left out...

Thief 1 and 2
Heroes of Might and Magic (all of them)
Myst (yeah I know)
*edit*
Mortal Combat
and Mario!

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[Malone]

Goldeneye

IMO, there is no better FPS (perfect dark was too choppy to be playable) It redefined multiplayer console gaming. My buddies and I still have Bond tournaments and probably will for quite a while.

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[Fat Elvis]

I'd add not only games, but game system--the Atari 2600. The Atari brought video games into the home. That did more to change the industry than anything else.

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[jac857]

shenmue, mortal kombat, mario series(almost all the big mario games had a big impact on the genre. example: mario 64 for 3d platform, mario kart for kart racing.) & of course doom

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[Triton]

DOOM = Opened many peoples eyes to the PC games market.

Half- Life = Changed the way FPS play, and also that the game can get an extended life period with free MODs and add-ons.

Rainbow Six = Helped to move us away from standard FPS formula, that you could take an unbeliveable amount of firepower before going down. Started the trend with more realistic FPS shooters.

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[Nabby]

Half-Life
Mario (series)
Starfox was sweet
Mortal Kombat
Final Fantasy
Quake (series)
Metal Gear Solid
UT
Zelda

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[funkymonkey]

How about Rollercoaster Tycoon.

[jepjep]

Great topic guys.

But we need to go old school to really see the important games that affected a genre of gaming.

Fighting games - take a look back guys, before Mortal Combat was the game we all know and love...KARATE CHAMP. Even more old school then that...TAG TEAM WRESTLING. Or how about...PUNCH OUT? Was it called punch out, I know your first opponent was Glass Joe, and the 4th opponent was Bald Bull.

KARATE CHAMP - PUNCH OUT - TAG TEAM WRESTLING

Action/Adventure - I can't believe that no one has said this game yet. It changed gaming to be more like what it is today. More strategy involved then just running through a maze eating dots...DRAGON SLAYER.

DRAGON SLAYER

Sports Games - Atari had a baseball game way back... but the first true game with decent graphics and true game style play...TECMO BOWL.

TECMO BOWL

Racing Games - POLE POSITION. I know you all loved that game at first...it was awesome to actually sit while playing a driving game...great game.

POLE POSITION

Mystery and Suspence - Definitely...RESIDENT EVIL.

RESIDENT EVIL

Thanks guys.
Jack

[WolskiDK]

All of the Quake Series!!

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[Stark]

Well, I know I am late answering this but I still say Myth The Fallen Lords was a break through in game design. To date it still has the best strategy game engine and blows away any multiplayer resource gathering game (starcraft, C&C, AoE, etc). I am still surprized that no other companies have tried to steal this great idea, but so far only Myth and Myth 2 have displayed this strategic only (no resource BS), 3d panning, real time, real physics, multiplayer gaming sensation! Too bad Microsoft bought Bungie...damn sell outs....


Stark Out

[EnIgMaDeadsouls]

leisure suit larry!!!!!!
LOL j/k

FFMQ!!!!
j/k again

but really FFIII or Chrono Trigger and just about anything squaresoft before the PSX.. imho squaresoft hasnt made a great game in years..FFVII/VIII/IX sucked.. FFt, Xenogears and Chrono Cross (borrowed a lot from Trigger) were nice... but not great. I think FFX will also suck.. squaresoft is taking too much time in caring what it looks like and has forgot about the important part the storyline.

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Maguss (IMHO) was the best char in Chrono Trigger

[Raptor2150]

Damn I loved Chrono Trigger...

As for the most important... Well, even if it is a cliche, I'd say Doom.

Of course the descent series (maybe not D3) was extremely innovative when all these fps were out.

[Shvarz]

How come no one mentioned Tetris. This must be the most influential game ever, with clones numbering in thousands (what other game can claim that?). However no clone could beat the simplicity and fun-ness of the original !

:-)))

[adpowers]

My votes:

Command and Conquer (the orignal)
Myst
SimCity (the original)

[EnIgMaDeadsouls]

Originally posted by Shvarz:
How come no one mentioned Tetris. This must be the most influential game ever, with clones numbering in thousands (what other game can claim that?). However no clone could beat the simplicity and fun-ness of the original !

:-)))

well true it is a game with many many many clones... which nothing else can touch.. but what sucks is the orignal russian dude who wrote it couldnt copyright it so he made like nothing.



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[THERMAL]

The game that is the foundation for most of the games we play today... DUNGEON. That is the orignal game that zork was modded to be named.

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[Count-Crow]

You guys name a lot of good games, but not many ground breaking games.

C&C - first came war craft

War Craft - first came Dune II (made by same company as C&C)

DOOM - Come on. This game was nothing original. There were too many games that it learned from to list. It was DARN good, but not ground breaking.

System Shock/2/Deus Ex - Ditto

Half-Life - What this game did that was ground breaking was post release. They did not just release their source code; they totally supported the heck out of the mod community. We all know where that went. The original game WAS EXCELLENT, but again, not ground breaking in any way. It just did tons of stuff right (Wish Valve would put out just ONE product that’s actually new though.)

Rainbow Six - Seal Team (I think that’s the correct name?) from EA. If you can remember this game you are old school hard core. If the people from EA did not play Seal Team I would be amazed. The similarities between the two are LARGE. If you don't know anything about it, it’s about the Seals Team in Vietnam. It's pretty awesome; Operation Flashpoint would probably be a more comparable product though.

Anything you play on your TV. - Give me a BREAK. Rpg’s is about all they HAD. If they are right THIS time about the death of the computer game, then I am done with games... Consoles do have their place though.... in a 15 year olds rec room. (I try not to flame, but I honestly hate consoles. sorry to anyone I have offended).

Deciding if something is ground breaking is totally a perspective and opinion thing though. But that’s my 2 cents (American).

(Of course gotta give props to the true originals such as Zork, Wizardry, pong, asteroids, their predecessors and many others…)

-J

[Madhackr]

Bungie really deserves more than just credit for Myth, they created a FPS with a story!...
while most people were happy running around killing hordes of monsters from hell, Bungie brought something new the table with Marathon.... plot!

I think it should be recognized for the excellent, ground-breaking game it was...even though probably no one here played it because it only came out on mac.

[Adamp44]

What about the Final Fantasy series? Did anyone mention them yet?

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[Adamp44]

Originally posted by EnIgMaDeadsouls:
leisure suit larry!!!!!!
LOL j/k

FFMQ!!!!
j/k again

but really FFIII or Chrono Trigger and just about anything squaresoft before the PSX.. imho squaresoft hasnt made a great game in years..FFVII/VIII/IX sucked.. FFt, Xenogears and Chrono Cross (borrowed a lot from Trigger) were nice... but not great. I think FFX will also suck.. squaresoft is taking too much time in caring what it looks like and has forgot about the important part the storyline.


While I tend to agree with you. I think they are trying to reach a much broader audience these days.



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[Adamp44]

Originally posted by Madhackr:
Bungie really deserves more than just credit for Myth, they created a FPS with a story!...
while most people were happy running around killing hordes of monsters from hell, Bungie brought something new the table with Marathon.... plot!

I think it should be recognized for the excellent, ground-breaking game it was...even though probably no one here played it because it only came out on mac.


Myth was a First-Person shooter? That's new to me.

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[Stark]

I believe he was talking about Marathon (FPS). Myth was not an FPS. I never played it b/c it is on Mac, but heard good things. I am still pissed about Bungie selling out...

Stark

[Recon]

Well i dindnt have tiem to go through ALL the posts so ill just put mine out here in BIG letters heh.


XCOM


XCOM


XCOM

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[df]

hmm too much garbage in most of the above lists :>

in no specific kind of order

wizardry, wasteland, ultima underworld, bards tale

tetris, e-motion

hyper olympics

xcom, dune2, starcraft

karetka, street fighter 2

prince of persia

where in the world is carmen sandiego

zork 1, pawn, adventureland/hulk, kings quest 1, hobbit

wolfenstein, descent, quake

lemonade stand

breakout/arkanoid

last ninja 1+2

paradroid

xenon2 megablast, r-type, nemesis/gradius




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Command and conquer, Don't tell me that every Rts game is different there are all knock off of the greatest and best RTS game in history. Then comes red alert and then Zelda(link to the past was the best), The best game on the face of the earth for consols. I don't know why people have been playing Half life for so long. Cs its the same damn thing same graphics same configueration.

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[Stasis]

You are all fools! (jj)
Have you not forgotten which game brought WIDESPREAD multi-play, would you not consider that to be a big deal. Teh topic wasnt the best game ever so games like Sys Shock 2 and Deus Ex(Even though DX is my all time Fav.Game) dont work. It was the most IMPORTANT games ever, to be an important game, I think you have to create/heavily-impact a genre, or have such an influence on the evolution of gaming that it is undeniable. That is why I think Quake 1 is THE most important game to date.

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[df]

Originally posted by Stasis:
You are all fools! (jj)
Have you not forgotten which game brought WIDESPREAD multi-play, would you not consider that to be a big deal. Teh topic wasnt the best game ever so games like Sys Shock 2 and Deus Ex(Even though DX is my all time Fav.Game) dont work. It was the most IMPORTANT games ever, to be an important game, I think you have to create/heavily-impact a genre, or have such an influence on the evolution of gaming that it is undeniable. That is why I think Quake 1 is THE most important game to date.




hunt the wumpus -> adventure -> zork -> rogue -> kings quest -> Koronis Rift -> wolfenstein -> ultima underworld -> quake 1.

so if quake 1 is your most important, the real root if it is hunt the wumpus! making it FAR more important than quake 1, for without it, no quake 1!!

(hands up who actually remember koronis rift / rescue on fractalus / ballblazer??)

the above evolution goes from adventure to 3d to 3d fps to 3d fps + multiplay (and i do consider some tiny element of adv/rpgism to be still in FPS, even if all FPS are garbage hehehe).




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[phoen8x]

The most important games are:
teris
space invader
pacman
wolf3d
dune2
Kings Quest series
Final Fantasy series

Oh yeah, I forgot this one: Scorched earth.

[This message has been edited by phoen8x (edited October 15, 2001).]

[G3n]

Street Fighter 2

[Jabone]

goodness gracious. i'm ashamed of you people. you mention doom, or wolfenstein, but none of you mention the FIRST to truly effectively utilize a first-person perspective. not only that, perhaps still one of the finest roleplaying games ever...
ultima underworld: the stygian abyss. this game changed my life. honest.
also, civ, warcraftII, duke nukem 3d,space quest I (or kq, leisure suit larry and day of the tentacle) fallout, and finally, system shock II.

[kenage]

Metal Gear/Metal Gear Solid
Snatcher
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Lunar
Kakyuusei
Sakura Taisen

All were revolutionary for their genre, IMO. ^^

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[indieboy117]

Unreal Tournament

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[Lord Vader]

Originally posted by Stasis:
You are all fools! (jj)
Have you not forgotten which game brought WIDESPREAD multi-play, would you not consider that to be a big deal. Teh topic wasnt the best game ever so games like Sys Shock 2 and Deus Ex(Even though DX is my all time Fav.Game) dont work. It was the most IMPORTANT games ever, to be an important game, I think you have to create/heavily-impact a genre, or have such an influence on the evolution of gaming that it is undeniable. That is why I think Quake 1 is THE most important game to date.


I said Deus Ex because it was the first FPS to have RPG elements. It may not be a old game but it is VERY important IMO.



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[Mudman]

I dont know that these games are important for gaming but they hooked me. I had a Commadore 64 and loved:
Fort Apocolypse
Donky kong
Spy Hunter
Bruce Lee - I forget the real name but it did have bruce lee in the title. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ahhh..the good ald days. I found a Commodore 64 simulater a while back and played some of the oldies...was fun for a bit, just the nostalgia. But they got old real fast.

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[G19]

Originally posted by Mudman:
I dont know that these games are important for gaming but they hooked me. I had a Commadore 64 and loved:
Fort Apocolypse
Donky kong
Spy Hunter
Bruce Lee - I forget the real name but it did have bruce lee in the title. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ahhh..the good ald days. I found a Commodore 64 simulater a while back and played some of the oldies...was fun for a bit, just the nostalgia. But they got old real fast.


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I was an ace at Fort Apocolypse. (Had trouble in Intermediate mode though)

[hexadecimal]

I pretend I didn't hear you say golden eye.

I think everyone just about covered the shooters and such. But what about some of the old school Apogee stuff, Keen, Duke 1, etc. And anyone who has ever played and adventure game owes a great debt to Lucas arts, they gave us great games like monkey island and grim fandango.

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[cygnus]

Well you have all listed some great games. But, I see one absence that I feel needs to be corrected.

In the line of On Line RPGs...

The DIKU MUDs...

Evercrack, Ashrons Call, and all of the other current on line games in that category borrowed heavily from the DIKU.

[bluefugue]

Coming late to this thread but I would say...

Pong
Space Invaders
Pac-Man (important nonviolent "cute" game)
Donkey Kong -- established platform genre & major franchise
Rogue -- template for all CRPG's to follow
Star Raiders -- first space sim
Flight Simulator
Ultima IV (most innovative CRPG IMHO)
M.U.L.E. or Archon -- taking multiplayer to the next level
Populous
SimCity
Civ
Dune 2
Doom
Quake

[Satan's Cheerleader]

jumpman

[indieboy117]

wut the fack, 51 replies!?!?!?

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[G19]

Originally posted by Mudman:
I dont know that these games are important for gaming but they hooked me. I had a Commadore 64 and loved:
Fort Apocolypse
Donky kong
Spy Hunter
Bruce Lee - I forget the real name but it did have bruce lee in the title. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ahhh..the good ald days. I found a Commodore 64 simulater a while back and played some of the oldies...was fun for a bit, just the nostalgia. But they got old real fast.


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Last but not least: http://www.monroeworld.com/forbiddenforest/game.asp

[sandman]

i would say metal gear solid on psx ( then pc )
yes it maybe kinda new, but it had a story that sucked u into very quickly and dragged u along for the rid. it may have been a short game, but a damn good one at that. the way it was done, the story , the way it played, will probably make people look at the games they now create, that is why i think it is an important game!
it was just freaking good!

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[JuveDuke]

Seventh Guest
Tetris
I think tomb raider was also important because it put chicks inside video games.
Anyone remember seventh, that game scared the crap out of me.

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"I know how much you like Playboy so i bought you an audio cassette of this month's issue" -Lockhorns

[8-Ball]

Ultima underworld
Ultima 7 (great freedom)
Wolf 3d
Indiana Jones etc.. the earlier Lucasart adventures
Pong
Space Invaders
Tetris
Wing Commander
Dune 2

[Nalar]

Here's the games I'll have to plug;

Wolfenstein 3D (FPS king)
Final Fantasy (RPG most often imitated)
Super Mario Bros. (Spawned a long line of platformers, and imitations)
Galaga (And you thought shooters were dead. )

I know I'm forgetting something too.. grrr..

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"Let me get right on that with thinking."

Current box-
Intel P3-800@960
Asus CUSL2
384M PC133 Crucial CAS3
Elsa GLADIAC 32w/12.60det
2-Maxtor 40G ATA100 7200
SBLive X-Gamer w/FPS2000
HP CDRW 9100+
ViewSonic PF790 19"
Windows 2000 SP2
2MBit Cable

[Abe]

the most important games EVER and u missed out one of the most fum games :eek
.:BOMBERMAN:.
(all games,all formats)
Atomic being the best

Has ne gamer not played this game???????????

sry if u put it in b4

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Death is but a way of tax evasion

[Malbien]

Myst
Monkey Island (all of em)
HL
EQ

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You never know how miserable your life really is, until you see a shrink. - Hell I dunno

[akhad612]

Hey guys what about the origional DIABLO???? It was the first HUGE multi-player game on line!!!! It spawned the "BATTLE NET"..... I think it played an important roll!!!

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THE GAMING MACHINE!!!
1.4ghz T-BIRD w/AYHJA stepping @1.606GHZ(146FSB, CPU stepping 11.0, +0.075V) 100%Stable
2X256 NANYA PC2100 CAS2 (512mb total)
SOYO K7V DRAGON (built in DOLBY 5.1, RAID, and NETWORK)
PLEXTOR 16X10X40A CDRW
LITE ON 16X48X DVD
SONY 1.44 FLOPPY
2X20GB IBM 60GXP hard drives
RADEON 8500 at(293/280(560))
PCI 2 PORT USB card
INTAKE 2X92mm PANAFLO FANS
EXHAUST 2X80mm FANS & 1x120mm PANAFLO FAN
OCZ GLADIATOR SILVER (for CPU)
SONY 19" HMD-A400/L FLAT TRINITRON monitor
ALL CABLES ARE ROUNDED OR HAVE ROUND TUBING ON THEM
WINDOW IN THE SIDE!!!!
ANTEC SX1040B w/400watt PS
RAID 0
WINDOWS ME on 30GB
WINDOWS XP PRO on 10GB
Cable modem
Sidewinder Game Voice
Sidewinder Freestyle Pro
Pioneer vsx-456 Receiver
Infinity rs-1 speakers
2 BLACK LIGHTS in the case!!!!!!!

[foob]

Only one person talks about MUDs? MY GOD... damn new kids... go drink your mother's milk

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Amd 1.33 ghz w/266 fsb
Asus a7m266
Crucial 512mb ddr sdram
Creative sblive
Elsa gladiac gf2 mx 32mb
Ms windows 2000 pro

[TXBrain]

Who remembers Kings Quest? Doom then gave us hope there was more to graphics than little block-people moving around

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AMD 1.2Ghz/266
ASUS A7V133 KT133a
512 Micron PC133 cas2
ATI Radeon 64DDR VIVO
SB Live X-Gamer 5.1
IBM ATA100 30GB
Plextor CD-RW
Windows 98SE

[cygnus]

Originally posted by foob:
Only one person talks about MUDs? MY GOD... damn new kids... go drink your mother's milk



You said it... *waves his cane about and shakes fist* Dam whipper snappers!

http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/wink.gif

[the_real_odie]

Ya, MUD. I used to be hooked on a circle MUD (diku mud derivative) on a bulletin board. gees. that was befor the internet was widely available around here... *sigh*

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Come, son of jor-el, kneel before zod! Snootchy Bootchies!

[cygnus]

Originally posted by the_real_odie:
Ya, MUD. I used to be hooked on a circle MUD (diku mud derivative) on a bulletin board. gees. that was befor the internet was widely available around here... *sigh*



Yeah, I lost a couple of years to a MUD called Sloth back when the only people that had internet access were university's, military and some businesses...

Graphics... What's that? 1200 Baud was blazing fast/bleeding edge and a Unix shell with something like Lynx was your gateway to information.