Doom 3 on GC?

[bigpoppapumpg]

will Doom 3 come out for GC, I think with some tweaking the hardware could do the game some justice, but why do I suspect it will be yet another xbox exclusive? :mad:

[Regulator]

Originally posted by bigpoppapumpg
will Doom 3 come out for GC, I think with some tweaking the hardware could do the game some justice, but why do I suspect it will be yet another xbox exclusive? :mad:

lol. I have that same suspicion about it being XBOX exclusive. I do have to admit though, that Doom3 would most likely look the way its supposed to on an XBOX.

[bigpoppapumpg]

well I dont know, the xbox has a suped up Geforce 3 I believe, and that isn't anywhere near powerfull enough for doom 3. I have a geforce 4 in my pc and i'm told that will barely run the game properly... I think you're going to need at least a p4 3 Ghz and radeon 9700 pro or faster for doom 3.

thus, both consoles are inadequate and the game will have to be carefully coded to run well. I think either the xbox or GC if pushed to 100% could do a decent job with doom 3.

[number1sixerfan]

I'm pretty sure Doom 3 is an exclusive Xbox game. Let me find the link. give me a minute.

[number1sixerfan]

Here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://jeuxvideo.freesurf.fr/page/19468.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddoom%2B3%2Bfor%2Bxbox%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3D UTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG) it is. Production won't start until Doom 3 for PC is completed.


*edit* On the site, hit "translating"

[Adisharr]

I think it will run fine on the XBox as it's a controlled platform. It can be optimized for exactly that and nothing else. The Alpha also runs well on my P4 2.4 / GF 3 ti200.

[number1sixerfan]

Originally posted by Adisharr
I think it will run fine on the XBox as it's a controlled platform.

I think so too. It looks like a great game and my pc isn't powerful at all.:(

[bigpoppapumpg]

so are you guys saying it couldn't be made for GC at about the same quality as the xbox? I think it could.

[Farmer_BOB]

Originally posted by bigpoppapumpg
so are you guys saying it couldn't be made for GC at about the same quality as the xbox? I think it could.

The GC has bump mapping, but it doesn't have support for pixel shaders. I'm pretty sure that Doom 3 makes heavy use of this.

[irwincur]

Trust me the XB will be able to run Doom 3. About that game - if it does not run on 80% of computers out there what is the point of releasing it. If they ever want to make money on it they will have to assure support back to at least the GF2 generation. Sure you will not get all of the bells and whistles but it should run at lower quality levels and resolutions. This will also help the XB as it will probably be programmed to run at 640x480 on TVs anyways. Now running it at HDTV 1080i may be more of a problem.

[Pinky]

About that game - if it does not run on 80% of computers out there what is the point of releasing it. If they ever want to make money on it they will have to assure support back to at least the GF2 generation. Sure you will not get all of the bells and whistles but it should run at lower quality levels and resolutions.

Exactly. I get sick of hearing people make outrageous claims about what the absolute minimum requirements for Doom 3 will be. Contrary to what many people think, the majority of PC gamers do not have the most cutting-edge hardware out there.

[cocanut]

i think that it can be done, why cant gamecube run doom3. here is a link of a developer statting the same thing link (http://www.planetgamecube.com/specials.cfm?action=profile&id=203)

[cocanut]

here is a quote form one of the developers from factor 5

"Julian Eggebrecht: Maybe without going into too much detail, we don’t think there is anything visually you could do on X-Box (or PS2) which can’t be done on GameCube. I have read theories on the net about Flipper not being able to do cube-mapped environment maps, fur shading, self-shadowing etc... That’s all plain wrong. Rogue does extensive self-shadowing and both cube-maps and fur shading are not anymore complicated to implement on GameCube than on X-Box. You might be doing it differently, but the results are the same. When I said that X-Box and GameCube are on par power-wise I really meant it. "

[homerj31]

I like to laugh at the people who think DOOM 3 will require the supa high expensive hardware to run properly. Most video cards will be able to play it, but at 640:480 and 16bit color. And of course low textures. But it will run decently.

regards
homerj31

[number1sixerfan]

Originally posted by cocanut
i think that it can be done, why cant gamecube run doom3. here is a link of a developer statting the same thing link (http://www.planetgamecube.com/specials.cfm?action=profile&id=203)

It is not that gamecube will not run it fine. It is that it would run better on the Xbox.

[cocanut]

how will it be better, did you not read the articale that i just put up. i guess not.

[cocanut]

read what i put up, then explain to me why it would look better. i have both an xbox and a gamecube, and to tell you the truth i think that gamecube right now beats the xbox in game and in visual quality.

[number1sixerfan]

Originally posted by cocanut
read what i put up, then explain to me why it would look better. i have both an xbox and a gamecube, and to tell you the truth i think that gamecube right now beats the xbox in game and in visual quality.

Even those who do not like Xbox admit that it is more powerful. I have Xbox and GC and I definately notice that the graphics are better on Xbox. What in the world makes you think GC has better grahics than Xbox? There is really no logic to that. I don't care about the whole GC vs. Xbox thing. I'm just saying that Xbox is more powerful. Once again like Farmer Bob said, GC doesn't have support for pixel shadders, which Doom 3 will probably use.

[cocanut]

please read what the developer said about that issue, wait i'll just repost it again:

"Julian Eggebrecht: Maybe without going into too much detail, we don’t think there is anything visually you could do on X-Box (or PS2) which can’t be done on GameCube. I have read theories on the net about Flipper not being able to do cube-mapped environment maps, fur shading, self-shadowing etc... That’s all plain wrong. Rogue does extensive self-shadowing and both cube-maps and fur shading are not anymore complicated to implement on GameCube than on X-Box. You might be doing it differently, but the results are the same. When I said that X-Box and GameCube are on par power-wise I really meant it. "

[number1sixerfan]

Of course the developer is going to stick by its system. You think that they would downplay their system by saying that Xbox is stronger, no. That statement by the developer is not completely true. Why do you keep reposting this same statement. One good example is TS2. PS2's version looks ok. GC's version looks pretty good. And Xbox's version looks the best(not by that much, sometimes unoticeable). GC could run Doom 3, but it would run smoother on Xbox. I love my GC, but I don't know if it could handle Doom 3.

[cocanut]

that developer is not from nintendo, he is from a company called factor 5, if you dident know that. but if you want i'll find more links, even one that deals with ts2

[cocanut]

here is a link about gamecube Graphics chip link (http://cube.ign.com/articles/090/090003p1.html)

[Farmer_BOB]

Originally posted by cocanut
that developer is not from nintendo, he is from a company called factor 5, if you dident know that. but if you want i'll find more links, even one that deals with ts2

Dude, he helped develop the Gamecube's audio DSP chip. I'm sure there's a little bias, and no matter what you do, the GC doesn't have pixel shader support. No pixel shader support equals nudered Doom 3. We all know that the GC can handle Doom 3, but it was designed to run on the GF3. Since the Xbox is a GF3 with a little more features, it's really the perfect platform for it to be released on.

[PointlesS]

although the pixel and vertex shaders are nice you got to take into account that the x-box uses slow *** ddr ram...slow when you compare it to the extremely fast 1T sram on the gc that is...with faster ram you can stream things in and out and therefore do things more efficently...and the ram is shared on the x-box so while you do have 64 megs you gotta sort of like partition it sort to speak...like have how many megs dedicated to sound...graphics etc...it's obiously more complicated than that but you get the idea...while on the other hand the gc's memory is not shared...plus a ratio of 6:1 texture compression isn't too shabby either :) however in the end...it's how developers use it that counts...with that said...games on both systems look great and both have their strengths and weaknesses...

[number1sixerfan]

If it can run fine on GC and Xbox, then that probably means that it would just be easier for the developers to design it for Xbox. We don't know for sure. Who knows, maybe the GC can. It's just up to the developers.

[irwincur]

It will definitely show up on the XB due to it be a simple port. Moving a game from PC to XB is simple - moving to the PS2 or GC is much more difficult. Plus I have serious doubts that the GC could be considered to be more powerful. The XB has a more powerful graphics subsystem - hands down. And it is a more compatible system with current standards and conventions. Proprietary hardware sucks for the cost, and will be the end of both Nintendo and Sony.

[cocanut]

if you say so,:D . however if anyone is losing mony it would be M$ in their hardware.

[number1sixerfan]

Originally posted by cocanut
if you say so,:D . however if anyone is losing mony it would be M$ in their hardware.

Why does everyone have to always bring up the console wars crap? It shouldn't matter who is losing money. Which is better? Whichc one has better games? It doesn't matter. Just enjoy the console you have and be done with it.:p

[bigpoppapumpg]

I hope that guy is not correct about proprietary hardware. there must be room for more than just industry standard in gaming consoles, there always has been in the past.

As far as doom 3, I think it will only appear on xbox but I think the GC hardware is close too xbox and would be able to pull the game off.

[Gogita]

Originally posted by bigpoppapumpg
I hope that guy is not correct about proprietary hardware. there must be room for more than just industry standard in gaming consoles, there always has been in the past.

As far as doom 3, I think it will only appear on xbox but I think the GC hardware is close too xbox and would be able to pull the game off.

Without pixel or vertex shading? I'd like to see that!

[Farmer_BOB]

Originally posted by Gogita


Without pixel or vertex shading? I'd like to see that!

I think they have vertex shading, just not pixel shading.

[8 bit orgy]

Keep in mind Doom 3 only has to run at 640x480 on a console. One can really tweak it out for that speed. The biggest concern, according to ID, is the slow Xbox CPU speed. While the fastest of the consoles, it's still about 300mhz below the minimum requirements for the PC. You'll see an Xbox version, though it'll look and run like **** COMPARED to the PC counterpart. That is for certain.

[bigpoppapumpg]

Originally posted by 8 bit orgy
Keep in mind Doom 3 only has to run at 640x480 on a console. One can really tweak it out for that speed. The biggest concern, according to ID, is the slow Xbox CPU speed. While the fastest of the consoles, it's still about 300mhz below the minimum requirements for the PC. You'll see an Xbox version, though it'll look and run like **** COMPARED to the PC counterpart. That is for certain.

nope i totally disagree, you have to remember that a pc has to run an OS among other things that hog resources... a PC is just a general purpose touring state machine. its robustness makes up for its general inefficiency. Consoles are designed from the ground up to just do games. I think both the xbox, and maybe to a lesser degree the GC could run doom 3 at a reasonbly close proximity to a high end PC. Yes very talented developers would have to labor over it and fully optimize the code and there might still be some trade offs, but either console could run doom 3.

[Blank Frank]

That's not neccassarly true. OS systems use very little resources when you open a program. Also, PC users tend to have far more physical RAM than a console. Usually twice as much.

[Farmer_BOB]

Originally posted by Blank Frank
That's not neccassarly true. OS systems use very little resources when you open a program. Also, PC users tend to have far more physical RAM than a console. Usually twice as much.

I don't know, it really depends on how many CPU cycles that program is taking. The consoles benefit from not having something running in the background executing diagnostics and taking CPU cycles. Having an isolated scenario very similar to a DOS enviroment (no multitasking) can free up the CPU, so it can give its 100% priority to the program.

[mcarag]

Originally posted by Farmer_BOB


I don't know, it really depends on how many CPU cycles that program is taking. The consoles benefit from not having something running in the background executing diagnostics and taking CPU cycles. Having an isolated scenario very similar to a DOS enviroment (no multitasking) can free up the CPU, so it can give its 100% priority to the program.

But PCs compensate for that in terms of raw power, right? Can't a PC doing multitasking with a 2+ GHz chip close the range with an Xbox dedicating its (what is it) ~700 MHz processor to just a game?

[Farmer_BOB]

Originally posted by mcarag


But PCs compensate for that in terms of raw power, right? Can't a PC doing multitasking with a 2+ GHz chip close the range with an Xbox dedicating its (what is it) ~700 MHz processor to just a game?

A missing cpu cycle is a missing cpu cycle. When that happens, you'll notice a bottleneck. That's why people complain about how many stages the P4 has. Whenever it incorrectly addressed an operation, it had to go back to the beginning and go down the tunnel all over again. They designed it this way, because it allows them to push the mhz further with this current architecture. With AMD, they have less stages, and that's one of the reasons why they are faster even when the mhz is less (there's more to the design, but the lower amount of stages is part of it). But as you can see, their procs run much hotter, and it's not as fast mhz-wise.

[mcarag]

Ok, I gotcha, thanx. :)

[akiraHz]

doesnt matter if its a "suped up gf3" its a dedicated unit, dedicated too 1 thing, unlike a pc.. it can make much better work on any game then a pc can currently.

The dedicated hardware makes consoles elite.

[Argon]

Originally posted by Farmer_BOB


The consoles benefit from not having something running in the background executing diagnostics and taking CPU cycles.


Doesn't the Xbox run a stripped down version of Win2k?

[Farmer_BOB]

Originally posted by Argon


Doesn't the Xbox run a stripped down version of Win2k?

Yup. All consoles need some form of OS to run the game. That's how stripped down it is. Don't expect a built-in defragger, or scandisk program.

[ryandinan]

Has anyone tried replacing the CPU in the XBox with something faster? A 1GHz P3?
Upgradable councils would be nice...But then, it starts looking like a PC again :p

-Ryan