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pudad
12-01-2005, 03:30 AM
More than likely going to sell my 12" pbook G4. I want one of those X32 Thinkpads. Among the very very few notebooks I've come across that made me look twice during my use of the powerbook. Basically the titanium casing, gigE, good price, pcmcia slot, screen and keyboard light, and generally sturfy design is what is making me want it. I also keep finding that my projects involve hacking inside the linux kernel, or working on something in windows (when I had a job, a month ago). I guess there isn't a ton of room for osx in the mainstream research and comercial areas of software dev.
I still run osx. But probably not on a laptop anymore.
hipposrcool
12-03-2005, 08:19 PM
Cool
mynameis
12-03-2005, 08:46 PM
At least you aren't switching the other way, you'll get a lot more money out of your used Apple than you would get out of any used PC of the same age.
hipposrcool
12-03-2005, 09:08 PM
Not nesicirly( If thats how u spell it) I only got 300 for my 1 year old Tangering Ibook and got a lot more for another widows it depends what puter u got
mynameis
12-03-2005, 09:20 PM
Not nesicirly( If thats how u spell it) I only got 300 for my 1 year old Tangering Ibook and got a lot more for another widows it depends what puter u got
Apples hold their value a lot better. Apple hasn't sold a clamshell iBook new in over 4 years. Most 4 year old, 233-300mhz, PC laptops aren't worth $300.
hipposrcool
12-03-2005, 09:54 PM
ya but thats a 4 year old windows if u sell a one year old Windows against a 1 year old mac youll get more money for the windows as the demand is higher for windows than mac. Since windows is easier to use so i nebie to computers is gonna get a windows as they are a lot easier than mac. But yes if its a grapic designer or web design as myself there probbaly gonna get a new mac not a used. So selling a windows pc is gonna be a lot easier than selling a old mac.
hipposrcool
12-03-2005, 09:55 PM
Also if i could suggest a PC after switching from mac id get an alienware notebook check some out at www.alienware.com
mynameis
12-03-2005, 10:11 PM
if u sell a one year old Windows against a 1 year old mac youll get more money for the windows as the demand is higher for windows than mac.
Interesting logic, but thats not really how it works, go look at how much a 1Ghz G4 Powermac sells for.
hipposrcool
12-03-2005, 10:14 PM
ya i no but look how much a Area-51 Laptop sells 4 Theres windows that sell at the same price macs do. So saying 1 laptop dosent really make since.
mynameis
12-03-2005, 10:30 PM
Find me a 4 year old PC laptop, that has a 233mhz-300mhz CPU, that is selling for $300.
pudad
12-04-2005, 07:01 AM
Nope, definetly going to go with a thinkpad. Only laptops that are as solid as powerbooks. I wouldn't mind getting a 15" powerbook way way later when they are intel based either. I am going to miss an osx laptop, but everyone wants you to code in windows or linux a lot of the time. It sucks. I also like how the thinkpad is mostly titanium, but the bottom and keyboard area aren't: so you don't burn :) ... as much.
BAsically the x32 seems to provide more features (minus bluetooth stock), more portability, and as much or more sturdy design compared to the pb. Also, I;d say the thinkpads keep their value as much as the macs do. Much different from crappy dell,and hp laptops: heh totally the case of easy come easy go... sorta.
heh, you went exactly the same way as I did :)
IBMs rock. I'm thinking of using the FS550 as my home jukebox and the x41 for everything else. I'm getting sick of syncing 5 PCs :(
pudad
12-04-2005, 02:45 PM
heh, you went exactly the same way as I did :)
IBMs rock. I'm thinking of using the FS550 as my home jukebox and the x41 for everything else. I'm getting sick of syncing 5 PCs :(
Well I still use osx, and I continue to more and more once they get some intel hardware released that is supported. I am hoping it becomes easier to put it on stock intel hardware in the future. I mean I'd pay the $70 or $130 or whatever it is (depending on of I get it as a student) for a copy. I just need something else on a laptop. Although I think the mac is probably a lot better for general purpose computing on a laptop, since the powermanagement works so well and the apps make good use of stuff like bluetooth.
Ashpool
12-04-2005, 03:02 PM
Reminds me of all the tools in my classes who have Powerbooks. They believe they're so righteous that they have OS X and they always think they're so incredibly better than everyone just because they don't use windows. Ugh.
It's funny when in my Java classes they don't even bother using the very decent Windows boxes (I'm talking 3GHz+ P4 HTs w/ 1GB of RAM) in front of them and instead whip out their 'books. Then they think they're too snooty to run off the battery and wireless internet that's in every academic building on campus and unplug the monitors and ethernet cables just so they can remote desktop to their Powermacs back in their dorm rooms, completely ignoring the professor's 1 hour lecture.
Rather hypocritical of Apple and their fanatics to be saying "Think Different" when all their systems look and behave exactly the same. A lot of people don't even bother changing the standard desktop background!!
GLAHREWUAHCNAWUCBWAYGDFWAGYI [/rant] cuz I'm getting way too OT here.
PS: I'm a Sys Admin student...
pudad
12-04-2005, 03:19 PM
Reminds me of all the tools in my classes who have Powerbooks. They believe they're so righteous that they have OS X and they always think they're so incredibly better than everyone just because they don't use windows. Ugh.
It's funny when in my Java classes they don't even bother using the very decent Windows boxes (I'm talking 3GHz+ P4 HTs w/ 1GB of RAM) in front of them and instead whip out their 'books. Then they think they're too snooty to run off the battery and wireless internet that's in every academic building on campus and unplug the monitors and ethernet cables just so they can remote desktop to their Powermacs back in their dorm rooms, completely ignoring the professor's 1 hour lecture.
Rather hypocritical of Apple and their fanatics to be saying "Think Different" when all their systems look and behave exactly the same. A lot of people don't even bother changing the standard desktop background!!
GLAHREWUAHCNAWUCBWAYGDFWAGYI [/rant] cuz I'm getting way too OT here.
PS: I'm a Sys Admin student...
I don't think you know what you are talking about. Of course there can't be a post remotely related to osx, without some childish ranting.
I'd rather have a thinkpad because doing linux kernel programming is less of a pain running linux on a x86. Also that most jobs I'll get will make me work in windows. There really is no reason not to use what you prefer if you are writing in java. I'd always choose my personal machine over an generic windows box on some network. And in general the UI in osx is much more powerful. Even the biggest windows .net programmer friends I have tell me if they could have everything (games, visual studios .net, etc) in osx, they'd just run osx.
pudad
12-04-2005, 04:58 PM
well this sucks
the x32s seem to be out of service or something, because I can't choose one on the lenovo site anymore. The stupid x40 doesn't have a whole lot over my powerbook, battery life sucks w/o the extended battery, hd isn't user upgradeable, and only has one so-dimm. Shite! :(
Ashpool
12-05-2005, 02:35 AM
I don't think you know what you are talking about. Of course there can't be a post remotely related to osx, without some childish ranting.
I'd rather have a thinkpad because doing linux kernel programming is less of a pain running linux on a x86. Also that most jobs I'll get will make me work in windows. There really is no reason not to use what you prefer if you are writing in java. I'd always choose my personal machine over an generic windows box on some network. And in general the UI in osx is much more powerful. Even the biggest windows .net programmer friends I have tell me if they could have everything (games, visual studios .net, etc) in osx, they'd just run osx.
Not going to comment. I've gone way too far as it is :(
But I'll sum it up: Apple = Good. Elitist Appletards = Bad.
pudad
12-05-2005, 02:44 PM
Not going to comment. I've gone way too far as it is :(
But I'll sum it up: Apple = Good. Elitist Appletards = Bad.
Yeah I totally agree on that point. And I can understand your frustration. I have the same w/ other mac users. I sorta of use everything though, but osx is definetly my favorite for my general desktop. I am not as fond of apple's hardware :-/.
Hmmm, I preferred OSX for the general desktop too for a while, and then I stumbled across stardock.com...
mynameis
12-05-2005, 06:28 PM
but osx is definetly my favorite for my general desktop. I am not as fond of apple's hardware :-/.
But I'll sum it up: Apple = Good. Elitist Appletards = Bad.
I agree with both of you.
pudad
12-05-2005, 07:18 PM
Hmmm, I preferred OSX for the general desktop too for a while, and then I stumbled across stardock.com...
I don't like the dock so much as I like the apps and expose; lets also not forget spotlight. I tend to turn off as many of the pointless visual effects as I can, unless they have some useful function in which case it wouldn't be a _pointless_ effect. The integration of addressbook, mail, ical, isync, and bluetooth is just so awesome. I also like safari and shiira a lot. One thing I hate about using windows is that no one as written a web browser using khtml: which I have had really good luck with (fast, and does well with css stuff among other things). In general it give me a great clean user interface, good apps, minimal bloat and bugs, and a unix-like system. I can't say I get that on any other platform, and for me they are all essentials for a general purpose workstation. I also forgot all the developer oriented stuff that comes with it too, which is a must for me.
Hell, I don't know if I want a thinkpad anymore. Looks like I can't get the model I wanted direct. I may as well wait on some of the new yonah based dual core powerbooks that I hear may come out this year.
ImaNihilist
12-05-2005, 07:27 PM
Nope, definetly going to go with a thinkpad. Only laptops that are as solid as powerbooks.
Don't forget the hp nx line of notebooks!
pudad
12-05-2005, 08:04 PM
Don't forget the hp nx line of notebooks!
Hmm, I may know what you are talking about. Is that the business class? I think my mom has one that here work gave her. It seems pretty solid, sucks that these companies screw avg joe but are capable of making great stuff: which is apparent since any business class notebook is so much better than what they sell in bestbuy.
ImaNihilist
12-05-2005, 08:16 PM
Hmm, I may know what you are talking about. Is that the business class? I think my mom has one that here work gave her. It seems pretty solid, sucks that these companies screw avg joe but are capable of making great stuff: which is apparent since any business class notebook is so much better than what they sell in bestbuy.
Yeah. All the notebooks in the hp business line-up start with "nx", save for the little one which is "nc" I think. They directly compete with the ThinkPads.
pudad
12-05-2005, 11:14 PM
I think I have decided. Thinkpad T43, with bluetooth, 80GB disk, and 2Ghz Pentium M. 14" 1480x1050. It is right around 5lbs, weight varies depending on the battery I use. The best part is that it is fairly light (only a little heavier than my 12" powerbook), and extremely expandable. The proprietary disk, and crapy 4 cell battery on the x40 made me shy away. With this thing, I can even put a battery in the optical drive bay, or even an extra disk.
Ashpool
12-06-2005, 01:08 AM
Yeah. All the notebooks in the hp business line-up start with "nx", save for the little one which is "nc" I think. They directly compete with the ThinkPads.
hummm
And here I was thinking that HP products are crap besides their printers.
pudad
12-07-2005, 04:42 AM
Hell yeah, freebsd is supposed work perfectly on the T43 http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~schmidtm/ibm/index.php
My laptop is up at $1220. Another day left to go on it. That is sort of good, although I did spend a good bit on that damned apple care (which sucks more than apple hardware!). I am just hoping they make a Pentium M based mac mini (maybe even with a sata 3.5" disk too, so a slightly large formfactor), and that the osx86 hacks keep rolling in.
I don't like the dock so much as I like the apps and expose; lets also not forget spotlight. I tend to turn off as many of the pointless visual effects as I can, unless they have some useful function in which case it wouldn't be a _pointless_ effect. The integration of addressbook, mail, ical, isync, and bluetooth is just so awesome. I also like safari and shiira a lot. One thing I hate about using windows is that no one as written a web browser using khtml: which I have had really good luck with (fast, and does well with css stuff among other things). In general it give me a great clean user interface, good apps, minimal bloat and bugs, and a unix-like system. I can't say I get that on any other platform, and for me they are all essentials for a general purpose workstation. I also forgot all the developer oriented stuff that comes with it too, which is a must for me.
I have to admit that expose is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I miss it, but the some of the other features of xp just made me go back. Also, winXP can do some of the expose things anyways. Win+D is the F11 one. The F9 thing that arranges all windows is the one I wish XP could do. The last one that arranges all windows of the same type is idiotic anyways. Spotlight never really seemed to work for me though. Also, whatever the thing with the sensitive corners is called, that must have been the dumbest idea any OS designer has ever had.
Bluetooth on the mac was good because it was so easy to set up. My MSI usb bluetooth stick took me quite a while to setup with WinXP SP2, but once I had it going, it was just fine.
OSX certainly has a smaller initial investment. However, I have found that when I'm at my maximum productivity on both OSs, Windows is just faster for me.
tbh I've never used Linux/other NIX for anything but playing around... If I could get the damn tablet features of my IBM to work in Ubuntu, I would already have it running on there.
pudad
12-07-2005, 03:58 PM
heh, I almost refuse to use tablets on principal. I can see how using osx on a typical mac can suck, the hardware is just not as fast unless you want to pay a lot.
The sensitive corner thing is useful if you get used to it. I only use one corner to activate the screensaver sometimes.
Spotlight is really like, something you gotta get used to. I don't use it as much as when I used to be more diehard about the mac since I can't use it on any of the other client platforms that offer few modern user interface features. To me, osx is the only thing that really the only different and more modern user interface. Everything else is just recycling the ui concepts from windows 95 essentially (xp, kde, gnome). Just to be fair, let me name one other gui that offers a fundamentally different ui: fluxbox, with the concept of tabing everything. Now, if I could have my fluxbox tabs along with my expose and spotlight, I'd be in heaven.
pudad
12-08-2005, 11:38 PM
Wait, no. They brought the x32 back! Sweet. Tough decision, X32 vs T43.
Looks like they are brining the x32 in on-demand. Also, the price is a bit higher since they upgraded the specs (256 to 512, 30 to 40, 1.6 to 1.8). I love that it doesn't include the optical drive, and I always wished they made a small powerbook w/o optical drive. Wish apple would make a 10" laptop w/o optical drive.