MAC OS!

[sandman]

i dont know why i wrote that, i just had the need to, since they have the best monitor!

[Deep Blue]

Goodness me sandman are you just trying to gauge the "lie of the land" here or are the flame fighters standing by? http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

DB

[sandman]

well i use a mac and have since i was a little boy, i would like a pc just to play some games over a LAN connection, but there are so many parts to the mungrels it is hard to keep up!
well it would be interesting to see what happens to the other OS when the MACOSX comes out!
http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

[alexross]

That LCD display is awesome... everytime I see one I get the urge to buy it. If I could plug it into a PC http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Deep Blue]

I agree .. I like your point of view.
People who try to push their opinions down other people's throat's really get on my nerves.

You like macs cause you have used them all your life, they do what you want and you are happy. That is all that matters.

Deep Blue

[sandman]

hehe
well i want a pc to play games, but then i could use a mac, but unfortunatly i know no one my age with a mac, everyone i know owns a pc
how come u just dont buy a mac and plug the LCD screen in, alex?

[stoo]

It has an odd "Apple Display Connector" instead of a standard VGA connector.

Stoo

[Duo]

You are right Apple makes the best displays, but I hate the fact that you can't use them with a PC. But on the subject of OS's OSX looks awesome, and maybe if were lucky more games well start to pour into the mac market. Then I will be able to buy a mac, and play games.

Dou

[stoo]

Quake 3 is coming out for OS X, so I hear...


Stoo

[llreye]

Since OS X is FreeBSD(?) based it should be portable to PC clones, hopefully.

-MKC

[gaffo]

its basically nextstep not freeBSD.

[llreye]

I thought NeXT was based on FreeBSD.
-MKC

[KR02]

WHY DOES EVERYBODY SAY MAC's SUCK?

I'm an avid PC user/enthusiast, but still, i understand that MAC's are right for some people. Mac's do have their advantages. For one thing, Mac has a centralized control over everything, so incompatabilies are NO problem. Neither is accepting New technologies (DID YOU NOTICE HOW QUICK IT ACCEPTED USB AND FIREWIRE??). I'd never buy a mac, but still, i can admire a well set up system when i see one. Plus, they are great for Grafx work and Sound Work.

PS - The Imac Thourogly Disgusts me, FYI. I liek the powermac. Their case is both well set up (internally) and Quite stylish.

[zombor]

MacOS-X is based on Next, which is based on UNIX, which is why it will be so stable(aside from the long awaited memory protection and multiprocessing). my freind is a diehard mac user so i kinda pick up on this stuff...yes the powermac case is damn cool...if only the tornado 1000 was designed like it http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/wink.gif

personally, the userfreindliness of macs digust me...other than the fact that the architecture isnt "open source" i dont really have a problem with macs, id just rather not use one

[llreye]

zombor:

Ditto on the diehard friend, but he didn't mention which Unix variant it used. Do know which Unix variant NeXT is based on? By your open source comment does that mean you use linux and not Windows http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif?

-MKC

[Daniel69]

What is NeXT, whay is Mac OS X so special?
What is FreeBSD?

[stoo]

FreeBSD is a UNIX variant.
I think BSD stands for Berkely Systems Distribution.


Stoo

[Shr00m]

You can buy converters for mac monitors.

Also
Has anyone used that stoopid little optical mouse yet? What a pain in the ***.

There is 3 things that i like on a mac:
1. When you pick something on a menu it blinks a few times after you click it.
2. Very stylish components.
3. That little bomb that shows up when you make it crash.... I like that thing so much they should build it into windows.... That stoopid blue screen sux.... They should make a TweakUI for Windows that you can change how your crash screen looks....

http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

[zombor]

Originally posted by llreye:
zombor:

Ditto on the diehard friend, but he didn't mention which Unix variant it used. Do know which Unix variant NeXT is based on? By your open source comment does that mean you use linux and not Windows http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif?

-MKC

all ive heard about it is that it is based on Next, so it will have a command line prompt somewhere in the OS(which most mac users have never even seen before), so it will prolly get some time getting used to for them.

as for the open source comment, i was talking about the PC architecture being "open source," meaning that IBM made it legal for other companies to make PC products(which apple has fought all along). And yes, i do use linux, win98(unwillingly), and win2k(willingly). ive just started to use linux tho, so im not fully fluent in it yet.



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Compaq Armada E500
650MHz PIII 128MB RAM
8MB ATI rage mobility
11GB hard drive/DVD

who said you cant game on a notebook????

[bomb2112]

What I hate the most is dropping $1500 for a new G4 and only getting 64MB of Ram. What in the hell are you going to with 64mb of ram-surf the web? I used to try and game on one but no-love. My K62+500@560 smokes my G4 400 in frame rates when it is working properly. Another drawback is the lack of interchangeable parts-with a pc half the fun is buying the parts you want Vid card, sound etc. One thing I can say though is that the G4 paid for itself in one weekends worth of work. Love not having to use a screw driver to open the case also.

[zombor]

you cant buy a convertor for the apple display connector because it has power, usb, and display connector all built in

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Compaq Armada E500
650MHz PIII 128MB RAM
8MB ATI rage mobility
11GB hard drive/DVD

who said you cant game on a notebook????

[stoo]

Building a PC isn't only half the fun, but half the pain as well: mmm, cheapo steel and fingers.


Stoo

[llreye]

Shr00m:

I think those converters are for the older monitors which sent back what resolution? the monitor should be run at.

zombor:

You can't buy a converter yet, but you COULD probably make one.

-MKC

[sandman]

hehehe all i can say is i cant belive i got so many people to put there opinions on a mac topic. funny stuff. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
the mac is just an easy system to use, that is the only diff
and the reason u dont get so good fps in your games on the g4, is cause the card basically sucks in it!
and im a mac fan, put another card in it, and it will get closer to the pc.



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mm interesting concept

[nerf]

ever see an old Mac commercial? a little mouse, one button, easy to use... right. no way what they are really saying is, "if your an idiot, use a Mac, see your kids can, thats why we put them in schools" ill give you that they are designed from the ground up to be what they are. Hmmm what ever happened to Next, or the Amiga. ill tell you, people wants choices and options. i come close to tossing my cookies when i see the $ they want for blue plastic or what ever bubble gum crap they paint the box. if you look inside a Mac youll see many familure Hardware vendors inside. why the 50% premium? because your Co going broke and MS bailed you out. my step mom is an "educator" and self proclaimed Mac expert. she still maintains a Mac is Faster than the PC, again, what BS commerical did she watch. Mac owners are died in the wool ill give them that. the problem is that they are now middle age and going to die soon from slow down loads and aged apps. the newby nerds are on the PC! wake up look at what the kids use thats were the $ is spent...remember joe camal

[gaffo]

BDS - berkley science division? - no sure tho???

[bomb2112]

Don't get me wrong I like macs, but even with a good video card-say like the 5500 in the Sharky review it still can't match my K62+500 in Q3 frames G4=37 K62+500=45 and we all know how big a pile a s@#t the K62 is. Matter of fact even with a V3 3000 I got 40fps. I give you the fact that the nerds are all on Pc's and Bill Gates a$$. Those mac commercials a just as sad as those damn pentium ones. As far as the kids go-what do they know, most of them can't even figure out how to wear a belt these days?! ;0

[jtshaw]

OS X is based on Next which is based on Mach 3.0 which was a Unix derivative made by Carnegie Mellon University.

Originally posted by llreye:
Since OS X is FreeBSD(?) based it should be portable to PC clones, hopefully.

-MKC

[jtshaw]

Windows isn't "open source" either, hell if Bill would let you see the source code it uses. Mac OS-X is supposively going to be open source so it will be easier for people to support and write software for. Keep in mind...open doesn't mean free.

Originally posted by zombor:
MacOS-X is based on Next, which is based on UNIX, which is why it will be so stable(aside from the long awaited memory protection and multiprocessing). my freind is a diehard mac user so i kinda pick up on this stuff...yes the powermac case is damn cool...if only the tornado 1000 was designed like it http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/wink.gif

personally, the userfreindliness of macs digust me...other than the fact that the architecture isnt "open source" i dont really have a problem with macs, id just rather not use one

[zombor]

Originally posted by jtshaw:
Windows isn't "open source" either, hell if Bill would let you see the source code it uses. Mac OS-X is supposively going to be open source so it will be easier for people to support and write software for. Keep in mind...open doesn't mean free.




I wasnt talking about windows. I was talking about the PC architecture. IBM lets anyone make sound cards, video cards, procs and just about anything else that goes into a PC. You dont see apple doing that, do you? Thats what i meant by the architecture being open source.


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Compaq Armada E500
650MHz PIII 128MB RAM
8MB ATI rage mobility
11GB hard drive/DVD
dual booting win98/2k

who said you cant game on a notebook????

[F-scape]

I think OSX looks really cool. For the first time maybe you can use a Mac and it wont crash because of a memory-related problem. (They do crash, no matter how much ram u put in). If someone makes OSX for PC I will use it (alongside with Win2K for gaming).

Too bad that Apple are so F***ed in the head. When there's finally Graphics hardware available they don't support it. How will they be able to be competative on the gaming market without 3D-cards from 3Dfx and nvidia. The best they can offer now is a 16Mb Rage128. Oh yeah, that really smokes in Quake3.

[zombor]

Originally posted by F-scape:
I think OSX looks really cool. For the first time maybe you can use a Mac and it wont crash because of a memory-related problem. (They do crash, no matter how much ram u put in). If someone makes OSX for PC I will use it (alongside with Win2K for gaming).

Too bad that Apple are so F***ed in the head. When there's finally Graphics hardware available they don't support it. How will they be able to be competative on the gaming market without 3D-cards from 3Dfx and nvidia. The best they can offer now is a 16Mb Rage128. Oh yeah, that really smokes in Quake3.

actually, apple should be porting OsX to the PC shortly. And nVidia will be making the geforce for macs shortly ive heard. It will be interesting to say the least



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Compaq Armada E500
650MHz PIII 128MB RAM
8MB ATI rage mobility
11GB hard drive/DVD
dual booting win98/2k

who said you cant game on a notebook????

[gaffo]

ATI radeon is supported too - this is a good card. As to why frame rates suck in apple PC's - a lot of this is due to a poor memory bus and a low bus MHz also - 66 MHz (not sure - but lower than wintel's - ram is slow too). they have apg now, but i think to is not a performer. - thier mobo/chip problems are similar to athlons - great chip/medeocre mobo's.

[Galen_of_Edgewood]

Originally posted by sandman:
i dont know why i wrote that, i just had the need to, since they have the best monitor!



Hey Sandman, do you happen to know if the G3 and G4 are completely compatible (if code written for the G3 will run w/o alteration on a G4)?

I wouldn't mind that 22" plasma monitor myself. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[slick]

BSD = Berkeley Software Distribution

[jtshaw]

Mac OSX port to PC really shouldn't be that hard. After all, it is running based on a Mach3.0 kernal which already runs on a PC. In fact, since Mach3.0 can usually use linux binaries you might be able to compile in the linux nVidia stuff into the os. Steve Jobs is picking up just where he left off with Next (another Mach based OS). I have never been a Mac proponent but it will certainly be interesting to see what comes of this.

Originally posted by zombor:
actually, apple should be porting OsX to the PC shortly. And nVidia will be making the geforce for macs shortly ive heard. It will be interesting to say the least

[jtshaw]

Mach, a unix variant created by the cs gods over at Carnegy Mellon University. Mach is almost interchangable with linux in many respects, in fact, because it can run linux binaries it is possible to compile and use a mach kernal on an existing linux machine...at least to some extent.

Originally posted by llreye:
zombor:

Ditto on the diehard friend, but he didn't mention which Unix variant it used. Do know which Unix variant NeXT is based on? By your open source comment does that mean you use linux and not Windows http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif?

-MKC

[zombor]

ive been reading some stuff about macOSX for a while and i now realize that an osX port for the PC will never occur. Sure, it would be easy as all hell to do, but think of the money apple would lose if they did port it to x86: Apple makes almost no money off their OS, they make all their revenue from hardware sales(which is why a full version macos9 is less than a windows upgrage). If they port an os to a more popular system(x86), there would be no point in buying a G4, would there? PC systems are so much cheaper that if someone wanted to use OSX, they would just buy a PC and apple would go down the drain(a happly thought for most of you out there). Damn the busnees world, i wanted to put osX on my system!

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Compaq Armada E500
650MHz PIII 128MB RAM
8MB ATI rage mobility
11GB hard drive/DVD
dual booting win98/2k

who said you cant game on a notebook????

[jtshaw]

Ah, but what I like most about the open source community is the fact that if it can be done, it will be done. If OSX is as open source as people tell me it is then people will have it running on x86 before long if it is possible. Might turn out to be against the license agreement but that hasn't stopped anyone yet. I think if Apples hardware is really as good as they claim then they should port to x86 themselves and prove it.

[stoo]

Although parts of Mac OS X are open source, not enough of it to port it is: things like Quicktime, Classic and Aqua won't be.

Code written for the G3 is compatible with the G4 except code written using the G4's SIMD Altivec units.
(AFAIK, older PowerPC processors are also software compatible with the G3 and non-Altivec G4)

gaffo: all current desktop Macs (iMacs, G4s, Cube) have a 100MHz FSB and use PC100 RAM, a bit slower than PC133 but not drastically. Hopefully the next mac mobo upgrade will go straight to DDR SDRAM or something similar, and they'll actually have non 500MHz G4s to go on them...


Stoo

[This message has been edited by stoo (edited October 12, 2000).]