Good, free, Java IDE?

[BobTheSlob]

Anyone? I've got Forte CE, but, I'll be damned if I can figure it out. Far too many buttons and "useful" utilities in Forte. Any other options? If not, anywhere I can go for a tutorial on Forte? I'm looking for a very, very, simple, yet updated IDE. Just something that I can hit "Compile", and "Run", like Visual C++. If this magic program exists http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[jester]

Originally posted by BobTheSlob:
Anyone? I've got Forte CE, but, I'll be damned if I can figure it out. Far too many buttons and "useful" utilities in Forte. Any other options? If not, anywhere I can go for a tutorial on Forte? I'm looking for a very, very, simple, yet updated IDE. Just something that I can hit "Compile", and "Run", like Visual C++. If this magic program exists http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/wink.gif



I havn't actually written a program with it yet, but jcreator looks like a good program. Its located at www.jcreator.com (http://www.jcreator.com) and has the MS Studio feel. Theres another ide at www.textpad.com, (http://www.textpad.com) but this is basically notepad with a compiler.

[EDIT by Galen] Fixed the link. [END EDIT]

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[This message has been edited by Galen_of_Edgewood (edited January 08, 2001).]

[BobTheSlob]

Textpad with a compiler would be a dream come true =) The link is broken though, so maybe it is a dream? Did you mistype it..please say you did. If you see an error in the textpad link, PLEASE repost the correct on, PLEASE =) I would love to use it.

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[BobTheSlob]

Never mind! Jcreator is fantastic! I love it! Thank you so much! WOOOO! Finally, no more DOS prompt and javac, and java!

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[homerj31]

I like jgrasp for java

try http://www.eng.auburn.edu/grasp

I am going to try Jcreater out.


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[jester]

Originally posted by BobTheSlob:
Never mind! Jcreator is fantastic! I love it! Thank you so much! WOOOO! Finally, no more DOS prompt and javac, and java!



yah.. that notepad to dos prompt stuff was annoying. I also tried JBuilder, but like Forte it was very slow. I guess its better to have a compiler written in Visual C++ than in java... go figure.

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[100%TotallyNude]

EMACS with Paul Kinnecan's JDE is the way to go.


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[jester]

Originally posted by 100%TotallyNude:
EMACS with Paul Kinnecan's JDE is the way to go.




Where could I get such a program?


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[100%TotallyNude]

You can get a Win32 port of Emacs here: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html
Then get the JDE here: http://sunsite.dk/jde/


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[jester]

Originally posted by 100%TotallyNude:
You can get a Win32 port of Emacs here: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html
Then get the JDE here: http://sunsite.dk/jde/




Looks like a massive undertaking. Could you send some screenshots of it before I venture into the downloading process? I looked on their site and I couldn't find any.


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[Sketch]

Originally posted by homerj31:
I like jgrasp for java

try http://www.eng.auburn.edu/grasp

I am going to try Jcreater out.




Wow. GRASP. I graduate from the very department that makes that. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif Auburn University Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering. Dr. Cross, the department chair, heads that project.

We used GRASP a lot in our classes, and I much perferred GRASP for Unix, or pcGRASP for Windows to jGRASP. They are much faster and more mature products. jGRASP was just released within the last 1-1.5 years.

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[100%TotallyNude]

Originally posted by jester:
Looks like a massive undertaking. Could you send some screenshots of it before I venture into the downloading process? I looked on their site and I couldn't find any.

Its not a big deal to install, unless you call copying and pasting some files and then editing a config file a massive undertaking. As for screen shots? No. Emacs/JDE isn't a gui. You're not going to see a slick row of buttons that insert canned classes together to create java programs for you. Emacs will do all that, but not with buttons. The most you get are menus. Emacs is command key combo-driven not gui driven. And its the most powerful editor ever created. Its all I ever use.


[This message has been edited by 100%TotallyNude (edited January 10, 2001).]

[Klashe]

Originally posted by 100%TotallyNude:
Emacs is command key combo-driven not gui driven. And its the most powerful editor ever created. Its all I ever use.


[This message has been edited by 100%TotallyNude (edited January 10, 2001).]


Tell that to lucent. They leave on the default editor on all of their platforms that I work on. I HATE VI! long live emacs.


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[jester]

Originally posted by 100%TotallyNude:
Emacs/JDE isn't a gui. You're not going to see a slick row of buttons that insert canned classes together to create java programs for you. Emacs will do all that, but not with buttons. The most you get are menus. Emacs is command key combo-driven not gui driven. And its the most powerful editor ever created. Its all I ever use.

[This message has been edited by 100%TotallyNude (edited January 10, 2001).]

You've dampened my interest in it, but I'll still try it out. Taking an Enterprise Java course and most likely being doing tons of programming in it. Sometimes that keyboard to mouse transition gets annoying. I'm imagining that emacs fixes this problem, being that its key combo driven.


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[kid A]

Originally posted by 100%TotallyNude:
EMACS with Paul Kinnecan's JDE is the way to go.




I also like EMACS a lot, but for someone who doesn't program a lot, it's hard to remember all those commands.

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[100%TotallyNude]

Originally posted by kid A:
I also like EMACS a lot, but for someone who doesn't program a lot, it's hard to remember all those commands.



You don't have to. Search for something like "emacs key command combos" or something like that and print out the two sheets that result. I don't think not being able to remember the commands is a good reason for not using it.


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[jtshaw]

You could always download the sun SDK and use any text editor to write the code and do command line compile.

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[jester]

Originally posted by jtshaw:
You could always download the sun SDK and use any text editor to write the code and do command line compile.



That would be the easy way to do things, but who wants to do that? BobTheSlob was looking for an IDE that uses Java. The only problem with your solution is that you have to use a shell to compile the program. With the IDE, all you have to do is click and a neat little window will show up with all your errors.



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