Welcome to the new Cases and Cooling forum

[Housen Maratouk]

Welcome, all, to the new Cases and Cooling forum. This forum was created in response to several requests that finally wore us down http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif. So come on in and discuss your cases and cooling needs and interests.

Also, let me welcome our newest moderator, ynd69, who joins Mandorallen of Molynnr as the co-moderator of this new forum.

Take care,

Housen

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[awa64]

Wow, nice one Housen. With OT gone, this is the least you could give us http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/biggrin.gif j/k.

This looks like a fun place to hang out. I look forward to regularing this forum and seeing all sorts of cool case mods.

-awa64

::Woo-hoo! First non-mod/admin post!::

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[abfgry]

Thanks Housen. Should be a good forum.

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[Moridin]

Looks good http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif I probably won't spend much time here as I am more interested in the processors themselves, but I am building a system in a few months and of course I will OC. This means I will certainly stop by for advice, and I will probably check things out once and a while just like I do in a few other forums.

Congratulation/Welcome to MoM and YND69 http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif


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[simmons777]

Nice new forum, kinda an Overclockers additional reference forum.

[Mandorallen of Molynnr]

Originally posted by Moridin:
Looks good http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif I probably won't spend much time here as I am more interested in the processors themselves, but I am building a system in a few months and of course I will OC. This means I will certainly stop by for advice, and I will probably check things out once and a while just like I do in a few other forums.

Congratulation/Welcome to MoM and YND69 http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif




Thanks, and congrats to ynd69, excellent choice. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

Upgrading from that K6-2? What are you going to choose?

[Moridin]

Originally posted by Mandorallen of Molynnr:
Thanks, and congrats to ynd69, excellent choice. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

Upgrading from that K6-2? What are you going to choose?

I want a DP Athlon system, but I'm not happy with the current motherboards. (No OC ability whatsoever!)

Waiting a few months should let me save a bit more money, allow the platform to stabilize and make faster Athlon MP's available.

It should make for an interesting cooling project, getting something that will cool both processors.




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[Scuttle]

Cool, i'm sure this forum will be of great help to me and my overheating system. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/biggrin.gif And congrats ynd69 and Mandorallen of Molynnr, i'm sure you'll both do well in this forum.

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[Moridin]

Originally posted by Scuttle:
Cool, i'm sure this forum will be of great help to me and my overheating system. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/biggrin.gif And congrats ynd69 and Mandorallen of Molynnr, i'm sure you'll both do well in this forum.




Well we can't have our penguin overheating http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif


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[Mandorallen of Molynnr]

Originally posted by Moridin:
I want a DP Athlon system, but I'm not happy with the current motherboards. (No OC ability whatsoever!)

Waiting a few months should let me save a bit more money, allow the platform to stabilize and make faster Athlon MP's available.

It should make for an interesting cooling project, getting something that will cool both processors.




That'd be a neat system. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

Yeah I guess it would be better to wait a bit, when a nicely overclockable Palomino is released. Thankfully even if you can't get a good overclocking dual processor platform, there's always the bridges on the processors. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

[K()th]

will we be able to post pics of cases and mods here?

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[Moridin]

Originally posted by Mandorallen of Molynnr:
That'd be a neat system. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

Yeah I guess it would be better to wait a bit, when a nicely overclockable Palomino is released. Thankfully even if you can't get a good overclocking dual processor platform, there's always the bridges on the processors. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

The current problem is the only motherboard available is a server motherboard. Lots of nice features, but expensive and no support at all for overclocking. You just don't overclock a server.

I wonder I can use a water cooler on a DP system?



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[Mandorallen of Molynnr]

Originally posted by Moridin:
The current problem is the only motherboard available is a server motherboard. Lots of nice features, but expensive and no support at all for overclocking. You just don't overclock a server.

I wonder I can use a water cooler on a DP system?



I suppose you could but the way I understand it you're going to need either one powerful pump or two normal pumps, so that you're not passing warm water from the one block to the other.

You can run the processors of a dual processor motherboard at different speeds right? That'd be cool since you'd be able to get the max O/C out of both of them. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

Originally posted by K()th:

will we be able to post pics of cases and mods here?



Yes, you could start up a thread for everyone to post their case mods I guess. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[ynd69]

Thannks guys.

Anyways I was thinking of upgrading to a desktop Palomino, but I wonder if it's really worth it. If there is much of a increase in performance, I might consider buying it...

Moridin, a DP Palomino setup would be sweet and water cooled would be even better http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

I am thinking of some pelts and voltage modding my mobo this September http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/eek.gif

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[Moridin]

Originally posted by Mandorallen of Molynnr:
You can run the processors of a dual processor motherboard at different speeds right? That'd be cool since you'd be able to get the max O/C out of both of them.



I doubt it. It certainly isn't possible with Intel systems. It actually may be technically possible with AMD systems due to the Point to Point nature of the EV6 bus, but even if it is I don't think you would ever see it happen. SMP by its very nature implies that the processors are equal.

I can also see it messing with the OS in terms of allocating threads to a processor.

This means that a DP system will only OC as well as the slowest processor. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/frown.gif


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[Galen of Edgewood]

Originally posted by ynd69:
test


Non-mod of this forum, non-admin test...

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[Moridin]

Originally posted by Galen of Edgewood:
Non-mod of this forum, non-admin test...



You’re a little late http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif



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[Galen of Edgewood]

Originally posted by Moridin:
You’re a little late http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif




No I wasn't.... I tried this several times very early in the day. Then I got busy at work.... http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/tongue.gif

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So would we post any overclocking exploits here (to explain the cooling we used), or still in CPU/OC?

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[Mandorallen of Molynnr]

Originally posted by tu2thepoo:
So would we post any overclocking exploits here (to explain the cooling we used), or still in CPU/OC?



No, that goes in CPU/OC.

How you modded your case to get that overclock goes in here. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

Moridin, I'm just looking for an article that I read on asynchronous CPU speeds in MP mainboards. I'm almost dead sure that it was possible to have a Duron and a Thunderbird in the same motherboard, and at different speeds.

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Congrats ynd69!!

Wow this should be an interesting place here, I wonder what's going to happen to general discussion now..

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[Mandorallen of Molynnr]

Originally posted by Moridin:
I doubt it. It certainly isn't possible with Intel systems. It actually may be technically possible with AMD systems due to the Point to Point nature of the EV6 bus, but even if it is I don't think you would ever see it happen. SMP by its very nature implies that the processors are equal.

I can also see it messing with the OS in terms of allocating threads to a processor.

This means that a DP system will only OC as well as the slowest processor. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/frown.gif




k, here's what I found :


The board showed stable operation with single and dual AthlonMP processors as well as with single/dual Athlon processors based on the Thunderbird core and single/dual Duron processors. It even supported the 'abuse' of two Thunderbird Athlons with different clock speeds. I tested the K7 Thunder with an Athlon 1200 plus an Athlon 1333 and it ran both processors at their respective speeds without major problems, even showing improved scores in SMP-capable benchmarks. However, neither 3Dmark2001 nor Sysmark2001 Office Productivity would run properly with this configuration. We should note that theoretically the point-to-point processor bus of Athlon actually allows the operation of two differently clocked Athlon processors.


From this article : http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q2/010605/index.html

So I guess it's possible but as stated it might give problems in certain applications. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/frown.gif

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[Moridin]

Thanks that is very interesting.

So it seams I wasn't to far off http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif, this was about what I expected. On the other hand it doesn't rule out asymmetrical processor speeds, so maybe there is hope after all. I still don't think we will ever see this in supported configurations though.

Just as a side note, I saw one article where they benchmarked a 760 MP with duel Athlon (not Athlon MP) processors and found that it often under performed a single Athlon in the same board. This was true even for some multi-threaded applications.

(Sorry, I looked for the link, but couldn't find it.)

I would think the biggest problem to solve would be cache coherency which likely explains some apps not working and poor system performance with non-MP Athlons Athlons. I will probably re-post this in HT, as we seem to be getting a bit off topic for cooling http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif Still it is very interesting.


(Hehe we started on water coolers and made it all the way to cache coherency http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)

BTW I would think two pumps would be the way to go, but what world that involve, and how noisy would it be?


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[This message has been edited by Moridin (edited July 09, 2001).]

[Mandorallen of Molynnr]

Interesting, I don't know why one Thunderbird on the same board would perform better than Dual Thunderbirds? Was it a reasonable gap in performance, or just above neledgeble?

As for the pumps, you'd have to get a reply from White, Duckman, ynd69 or someone else who is heavily into water cooling. I'm not there yet. Yet. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/frown.gif

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[ynd69]

Moridin, take a look at this:
http://www.procooling.com/articles/index.shtml

Check out the first few articles, they contain information about water cooling two cpus (Dual celerons in their case).

They used two inline pumps with 1 radiator I believe. Anyways should help you out. http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/smile.gif

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