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but not all apps are gonna stress DX9 the way the latest games do.

You mean they are comming out with "Pong II" with DX9 features ?:p

If they do make a DX9 app that a FX5200 can run it...

In DX9 games the 9700 may well perform better, In the fight over which plays older DX7 and DX8 games better?,,,Well who cares it like fighting over a ugly woman.;)

Nvidia might as well of put the DX9 support on its GF2 ,it would of performed Better.;)

I get a better 3dMark 2003 score with a budget 8500le and it has no DX9 support whats so ever and has to...

And I will bet my bottom dollar the FX5200 will play HL2 at 800x600 with lowest details at 20FPS.

The sad part is that even if its agreed the FX5200 will never play DX9 apps it also will have...

Why is the 9800 pro refurbished,was it screwed up and had to be fixed,who knows? I don't mind second hand cards that were just up for sale cause someone upgraded,but who just sends back a 9800 Pro?...

If your right thank god HL2 was delayed and not released this month like it was suppose to be,,no card on this earth would play it anyways ,kinda like "Halo"

We all seen those numerous nice...

I tried but still don't see the relevance of that analogy, sorry. The 5200's can process dx9 shaders, just not nearly as good as the more expensive cards is all I'm saying.

Sure a FX5200 can...

Well if your link shows a 9600 pro playing at 35 fps at its lowest with the other test with even higher frame rates,what makes you think a much faster 9800 will chug on this game?

In a way they are using the DX9 feature to lure the buyers (Fool may have been to strong a word) when a person see that FX5200 with it's "DX9" supported label across the box they may think they are...

ATI has budget cards the 9000,9200,9100 its entry DX9 card the 9600 pro is considered a Mid range card but any less would not have the power to run DX9 apps anyways,so why try to fool people is...

Here is Tom,s HL2 test with a a 9600 at 1024x768-32bit without FSAA and Trilinear Filtering and it gets 48fps....

His cpu is severly bottlenecked by his video card.;)

What you do then is for example select XP CPU type and type in 1.5Ghz,then the results are either oced XP1600's or stock speed XP1800s.:)

Are you clueless? They already released the official HL2 bench marks and a 9600pro does play HL2 in full DX9 mode at acceptable frame rates. If AA&AF does not matter and also DX9 does not matter then...

I find people who say that have cards that do not give them much of a choice in using AA&AF if they wanted to or not.;)