no 80 conductor cable installed?

**Lite-x2x** · 01-03-2004, 04:04 AM

Everytime my computer boots up while it checks for IDE drives, the "Secondary IDE Channel no 80 conductor cable installed" message always pops up. I've replaced the cable with 3 different cables I've found and still get the same results. I have the cd-rw as master and dvd-rom as slave but I noticed hooking up the cd-rw drive by itself stops the message from appearing and when I hook up the dvd-rom it comes back. What can I do to fix this? Everything seems to be working fine even with the message.

**Lord Vetinari** · 01-03-2004, 04:39 AM

Are you actually using an 80 wire IDE cable on the secondary IDE(ie ATA(66/100) cable or a 40 wire one (ATA33)?
It sounds as if your DVD may be ATA66 and you are using a 40 wire cable.

**Colossus** · 01-03-2004, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Vetinari
Are you actually using an 80 wire IDE cable on the secondary IDE(ie ATA(66/100) cable or a 40 wire one (ATA33)?
It sounds as if your DVD may be ATA66 and you are using a 40 wire cable.

The highest rated speed for a 40-pin conductor is ATA33 not 66

It is possible the drive is too old and confussing the controller.. Try swapping master/slave assignments...

**GLScooby** · 01-03-2004, 04:44 AM

Your DVD drive may be capable of better than UDMA-2(ATA33), requiring an 80 con cable. Some newer drives show up as UDMA-4(ATA66) or -5(ATA100) devices. (Not that they actually go that fast). Also, you know the blue goes to the board, black (farthest away) to the master, and white/beige (middle) to the slave. Either of those reasons could give you that message.

**Lord Vetinari** · 01-03-2004, 04:44 AM

"The highest rated speed for a 40-pin conductor is ATA33 not 66"
Thought that is what I said?

**Lite-x2x** · 01-03-2004, 02:52 PM

Thank you for all your help! I'll look into getting a 80 pin cable. I had no idea there were different kinds of ribbon cables.

Ok I have another question too. I just downloaded mbm5 and I get 54C for my cpu and 33C for case. Is this bad? I hear you guys talking about keeping your cpu under 55C and sometimes it goes up all the way to 70C. I've been using the same stock fan for years without a problem but I'm getting a new one soon.

**Lord Vetinari** · 01-03-2004, 04:59 PM

Your temps are a bit high- can you take the Heatsink fan off and take a look at the heatsink- I suspect it could do with a clean.

**Lite-x2x** · 01-03-2004, 09:24 PM

Ok new fans fixed temp problems (49C CPU, 30C Case) and I can now oc but the new udma/133 80 conductor cable didn't help. I'll still get the message any suggestions?

**bldegle2** · 01-03-2004, 11:33 PM

Pri master>OS hard drive
Pri slave>DVD
Sec master>Sony Burner
Sec slave>2nd hard drive.

that should do it for you, just make sure the jumpers are right after the change. and make sure you have all 80 pin ata100/133 ribbons, like mentioned before.

you can switch the sec mas and sec slv around if you so desire.

this really helps with making CD copies "on the fly", sometimes when on the same ribbon, problems occur.

hope this helps.

baldy

**Colossus** · 01-03-2004, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bldegle2
Pri master>OS hard drive
Pri slave>DVD
Sec master>Sony Burner
Sec slave>2nd hard drive.

that should do it for you, just make sure the jumpers are right after the change. and make sure you have all 80 pin ata100/133 ribbons, like mentioned before.

you can switch the sec mas and sec slv around if you so desire.

this really helps with making CD copies "on the fly", sometimes when on the same ribbon, problems occur.

hope this helps.

baldy

Why would you want the 2nd HD be on the second channel as a slave? instead of a master?

**Lite-x2x** · 01-04-2004, 01:56 AM

With the set up I have in the tower right now thats just not possible. Either the label on the new ribbon cable I got was wrong or the DVD-Rom has a problem.

**Lord Vetinari** · 01-04-2004, 03:05 AM

Lite-x2x- How are your drives reported in Control panel\system\harware devices\IDE atapi\IDE primary or secondary\Advanced- It should say what UDMA mode they are in?

**Lite-x2x** · 01-04-2004, 06:22 AM

I don't see UDMA mode anywhere. Its reported as "ATAPI DVD-Rom 16x" and it says its working properly.

**Lord Vetinari** · 01-04-2004, 07:18 AM

not in the DVD/CDrom section- in the IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers- Primary or secondary IDE/advanced

**Lite-x2x** · 01-04-2004, 03:21 PM

I don't see an advanced option, only properties. But I found out from Intel App Accelerator that its transfer mode is UDMA-2 and it recognizes the cable only as a 40 pin instead of an 80 pin.

01-03-2004, 04:04 AM	#1
Lite-x2x Expensive Sushi Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 43	no 80 conductor cable installed? Everytime my computer boots up while it checks for IDE drives, the "Secondary IDE Channel no 80 conductor cable installed" message always pops up. I've replaced the cable with 3 different cables I've found and still get the same results. I have the cd-rw as master and dvd-rom as slave but I noticed hooking up the cd-rw drive by itself stops the message from appearing and when I hook up the dvd-rom it comes back. What can I do to fix this? Everything seems to be working fine even with the message. __________________ P4 2.2GHz @ 2.42GHz \| 2x512MB Mushkin Basic PC2100 \| SY-P4I Fire DRAGON \| ATI Radeon 9800 XT 256MB(Catalyst 4.3) \| Sony CDRW 48x/10x/40x \| Emprex DVD-RW 8x/4x \| WD 40GB 7200rpm \| WD 120GB 7200rpm \| NEC MultiSync FE991SB 19" \| CMI8738 OnBoard Audio \| Labtec AM-242 Microphone \| Altec Lansing 251 5.1 Sound System \| Vantec AeroFlow TMD Fan VP4-C7040 \| Windows XP Professional(SP1a)

01-03-2004, 04:39 AM	#2
Lord Vetinari Mako Shark Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Worthing Sussex England Posts: 3,561	Are you actually using an 80 wire IDE cable on the secondary IDE(ie ATA(66/100) cable or a 40 wire one (ATA33)? It sounds as if your DVD may be ATA66 and you are using a 40 wire cable. __________________ Newest comp DFI nf2 ultra xp1500-m @22310.5 or XP2500-M barton @23010.5 new comp- 8RDA+, xp2100 TbredB @20211, 2twinmos 3200 (non winbond), 9700 pro, Maxtor 9 plus 80gb &120GB, Hitachi CML174SWB 17" LCD Old comp KT7A Axia 1ghz @1.38GHZ, GF3 ti200, Compaq 910 19" Monitor

01-03-2004, 04:44 AM	#4
GLScooby Tiger Shark Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: EQ2 Detox Center - Mid-Withdrawls Posts: 847	Your DVD drive may be capable of better than UDMA-2(ATA33), requiring an 80 con cable. Some newer drives show up as UDMA-4(ATA66) or -5(ATA100) devices. (Not that they actually go that fast). Also, you know the blue goes to the board, black (farthest away) to the master, and white/beige (middle) to the slave. Either of those reasons could give you that message. __________________ A64 3800+ Venice @ stock/DFI Lanparty NF4 Ultra-D (5/10-2 bios) OCZ Dual Channel 3200 EL (2X512) @ 2.5-4-4-7 (for now) BB ATI X800XL 256MB/Maxtor 120GB SATA/WD 120GB SE IDE Hauppage Win-TV DVR/Antec True Control 550W/XP pro Sharky's Folding@Home Team The Folding Farm: rig in da sig, XP2400+, 1.1 TBird, Athlon 700, PIII 866 Sharky's SETI@Home Team Find even more computer help and some great OT at Fix-IT.org! Remember, there are no mistakes in Modding. It's just MORE custom... Avatar Questions...

01-03-2004, 04:44 AM	#5
Lord Vetinari Mako Shark Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Worthing Sussex England Posts: 3,561	"The highest rated speed for a 40-pin conductor is ATA33 not 66" Thought that is what I said? __________________ Newest comp DFI nf2 ultra xp1500-m @22310.5 or XP2500-M barton @23010.5 new comp- 8RDA+, xp2100 TbredB @20211, 2twinmos 3200 (non winbond), 9700 pro, Maxtor 9 plus 80gb &120GB, Hitachi CML174SWB 17" LCD Old comp KT7A Axia 1ghz @1.38GHZ, GF3 ti200, Compaq 910 19" Monitor

01-03-2004, 02:52 PM	#6
Lite-x2x Expensive Sushi Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 43	Thank you for all your help! I'll look into getting a 80 pin cable. I had no idea there were different kinds of ribbon cables. Ok I have another question too. I just downloaded mbm5 and I get 54C for my cpu and 33C for case. Is this bad? I hear you guys talking about keeping your cpu under 55C and sometimes it goes up all the way to 70C. I've been using the same stock fan for years without a problem but I'm getting a new one soon. __________________ P4 2.2GHz @ 2.42GHz \| 2x512MB Mushkin Basic PC2100 \| SY-P4I Fire DRAGON \| ATI Radeon 9800 XT 256MB(Catalyst 4.3) \| Sony CDRW 48x/10x/40x \| Emprex DVD-RW 8x/4x \| WD 40GB 7200rpm \| WD 120GB 7200rpm \| NEC MultiSync FE991SB 19" \| CMI8738 OnBoard Audio \| Labtec AM-242 Microphone \| Altec Lansing 251 5.1 Sound System \| Vantec AeroFlow TMD Fan VP4-C7040 \| Windows XP Professional(SP1a) Last edited by Lite-x2x; 01-03-2004 at 02:56 PM.

01-03-2004, 04:59 PM	#7
Lord Vetinari Mako Shark Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Worthing Sussex England Posts: 3,561	Your temps are a bit high- can you take the Heatsink fan off and take a look at the heatsink- I suspect it could do with a clean. __________________ Newest comp DFI nf2 ultra xp1500-m @22310.5 or XP2500-M barton @23010.5 new comp- 8RDA+, xp2100 TbredB @20211, 2twinmos 3200 (non winbond), 9700 pro, Maxtor 9 plus 80gb &120GB, Hitachi CML174SWB 17" LCD Old comp KT7A Axia 1ghz @1.38GHZ, GF3 ti200, Compaq 910 19" Monitor

01-03-2004, 09:24 PM	#8
Lite-x2x Expensive Sushi Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 43	Ok new fans fixed temp problems (49C CPU, 30C Case) and I can now oc but the new udma/133 80 conductor cable didn't help. I'll still get the message any suggestions? __________________ P4 2.2GHz @ 2.42GHz \| 2x512MB Mushkin Basic PC2100 \| SY-P4I Fire DRAGON \| ATI Radeon 9800 XT 256MB(Catalyst 4.3) \| Sony CDRW 48x/10x/40x \| Emprex DVD-RW 8x/4x \| WD 40GB 7200rpm \| WD 120GB 7200rpm \| NEC MultiSync FE991SB 19" \| CMI8738 OnBoard Audio \| Labtec AM-242 Microphone \| Altec Lansing 251 5.1 Sound System \| Vantec AeroFlow TMD Fan VP4-C7040 \| Windows XP Professional(SP1a)

01-03-2004, 11:33 PM	#9
bldegle2 Hammerhead Shark Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: concord,ca,usa Posts: 2,945	set it up this way Pri master>OS hard drive Pri slave>DVD Sec master>Sony Burner Sec slave>2nd hard drive. that should do it for you, just make sure the jumpers are right after the change. and make sure you have all 80 pin ata100/133 ribbons, like mentioned before. you can switch the sec mas and sec slv around if you so desire. this really helps with making CD copies "on the fly", sometimes when on the same ribbon, problems occur. hope this helps. baldy __________________ I am gettin too old for all this st.ff! Specs? it runs................. Tbird quotes: "I dont care that much for gaming" "I am done with 3dmark." PhenomII 965 @3.9 gig, AsRock AOD790GX Last edited by bldegle2; 01-03-2004 at 11:33 PM.

01-04-2004, 01:56 AM	#11
Lite-x2x Expensive Sushi Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 43	With the set up I have in the tower right now thats just not possible. Either the label on the new ribbon cable I got was wrong or the DVD-Rom has a problem. __________________ P4 2.2GHz @ 2.42GHz \| 2x512MB Mushkin Basic PC2100 \| SY-P4I Fire DRAGON \| ATI Radeon 9800 XT 256MB(Catalyst 4.3) \| Sony CDRW 48x/10x/40x \| Emprex DVD-RW 8x/4x \| WD 40GB 7200rpm \| WD 120GB 7200rpm \| NEC MultiSync FE991SB 19" \| CMI8738 OnBoard Audio \| Labtec AM-242 Microphone \| Altec Lansing 251 5.1 Sound System \| Vantec AeroFlow TMD Fan VP4-C7040 \| Windows XP Professional(SP1a)

01-04-2004, 03:05 AM	#12
Lord Vetinari Mako Shark Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Worthing Sussex England Posts: 3,561	Lite-x2x- How are your drives reported in Control panel\system\harware devices\IDE atapi\IDE primary or secondary\Advanced- It should say what UDMA mode they are in? __________________ Newest comp DFI nf2 ultra xp1500-m @22310.5 or XP2500-M barton @23010.5 new comp- 8RDA+, xp2100 TbredB @20211, 2twinmos 3200 (non winbond), 9700 pro, Maxtor 9 plus 80gb &120GB, Hitachi CML174SWB 17" LCD Old comp KT7A Axia 1ghz @1.38GHZ, GF3 ti200, Compaq 910 19" Monitor

01-04-2004, 06:22 AM	#13
Lite-x2x Expensive Sushi Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 43	I don't see UDMA mode anywhere. Its reported as "ATAPI DVD-Rom 16x" and it says its working properly. __________________ P4 2.2GHz @ 2.42GHz \| 2x512MB Mushkin Basic PC2100 \| SY-P4I Fire DRAGON \| ATI Radeon 9800 XT 256MB(Catalyst 4.3) \| Sony CDRW 48x/10x/40x \| Emprex DVD-RW 8x/4x \| WD 40GB 7200rpm \| WD 120GB 7200rpm \| NEC MultiSync FE991SB 19" \| CMI8738 OnBoard Audio \| Labtec AM-242 Microphone \| Altec Lansing 251 5.1 Sound System \| Vantec AeroFlow TMD Fan VP4-C7040 \| Windows XP Professional(SP1a) Last edited by Lite-x2x; 01-04-2004 at 06:25 AM.

01-04-2004, 07:18 AM	#14
Lord Vetinari Mako Shark Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Worthing Sussex England Posts: 3,561	not in the DVD/CDrom section- in the IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers- Primary or secondary IDE/advanced __________________ Newest comp DFI nf2 ultra xp1500-m @22310.5 or XP2500-M barton @23010.5 new comp- 8RDA+, xp2100 TbredB @20211, 2twinmos 3200 (non winbond), 9700 pro, Maxtor 9 plus 80gb &120GB, Hitachi CML174SWB 17" LCD Old comp KT7A Axia 1ghz @1.38GHZ, GF3 ti200, Compaq 910 19" Monitor

01-04-2004, 03:21 PM	#15
Lite-x2x Expensive Sushi Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 43	I don't see an advanced option, only properties. But I found out from Intel App Accelerator that its transfer mode is UDMA-2 and it recognizes the cable only as a 40 pin instead of an 80 pin. __________________ P4 2.2GHz @ 2.42GHz \| 2x512MB Mushkin Basic PC2100 \| SY-P4I Fire DRAGON \| ATI Radeon 9800 XT 256MB(Catalyst 4.3) \| Sony CDRW 48x/10x/40x \| Emprex DVD-RW 8x/4x \| WD 40GB 7200rpm \| WD 120GB 7200rpm \| NEC MultiSync FE991SB 19" \| CMI8738 OnBoard Audio \| Labtec AM-242 Microphone \| Altec Lansing 251 5.1 Sound System \| Vantec AeroFlow TMD Fan VP4-C7040 \| Windows XP Professional(SP1a) Last edited by Lite-x2x; 01-04-2004 at 07:53 PM.

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