Will the iPad follow these other Apple products that failed?

**ua549** · 01-30-2010, 12:46 PM

Will the iPad join these other Apple products that failed?

Pippin
Macintosh TV
eWorld
Cyberdog
Quick Take 100
Newton
Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh
Power G4 Cube

**ImaNihilist** · 01-30-2010, 12:58 PM

Unlikely. It will add to the sales of the iPod/iPhone platform.

They'll sell like hotcakes, and if the iPhone OS ever gets multitasking, it will become a mainstream tool.

I think the real problem with the iPhone platform is that it's been much more successful then even Apple anticipated. It started as a mobile phone OS, and now it's turning into something very different. Had they been able to foresee it being this popular I think they would have put more forethought into application development.

**Ashpool** · 01-30-2010, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

it will become a mainstream tool.

oh man that's a fox news-caliber misquotable right there. lol.

**[PinPals]Apu** · 01-30-2010, 04:34 PM

I feel sorry for anyone buying an iPad in place of a Kindle. eInk is the only screen Id want to read for any extended period of time.

**rimmerchant** · 01-30-2010, 05:38 PM

I won't be buying one...

to me it's too big to be a phone/gaming device

and if I want to run programs and appliccations I would op for a netbook or laptop.

not to mention
1- I will be tied down to the apple store for their stuff.
2- no user replacable battery,
3- no usb port
4- more expensive that a netbook

that is just me.. but if other don't mind bending over and pulling their pants down for apple that's their business

**Timman_24** · 01-30-2010, 06:54 PM

I think it will sell pretty fast at first and then people will realize there is nothing you can use it for. School kids will buy it instead of a laptop and then fumble around with the touch keyboard cursing under their breath. Disgruntled kindle buyers will purchase it and realize the screen sucks for reading.

IMO it is a romantic idea brought forth by the likes of mid century scifi writers but in reality a slate type computer interface is not the most efficient way for us to input. I feel that to be able to type efficiently I need to be able to use tactile feelings to keep me on track.

**ImaNihilist** · 01-30-2010, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timman_24

I think it will sell pretty fast at first and then people will realize there is nothing you can use it for. School kids will buy it instead of a laptop and then fumble around with the touch keyboard cursing under their breath. Disgruntled kindle buyers will purchase it and realize the screen sucks for reading.

IMO it is a romantic idea brought forth by the likes of mid century scifi writers but in reality a slate type computer interface is not the most efficient way for us to input. I feel that to be able to type efficiently I need to be able to use tactile feelings to keep me on track.

I don't necessarily agree with that. For me, the real problem is the OS. I think a $500 device with the functionality of the PADD from Star Trek is a great idea.

The OS just isn't there yet. There are rumors that iPhone OS 4.0 will be a complete overhaul, and likely not compatible with earlier generation iPhones.

**ua549** · 01-30-2010, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

I don't necessarily agree with that. For me, the real problem is the OS. I think a $500 device with the functionality of the PADD from Star Trek is a great idea.

The OS just isn't there yet. There are rumors that iPhone OS 4.0 will be a complete overhaul, and likely not compatible with earlier generation iPhones.

So you agree that the iPad as it is now is a product that you think will fail.

**ImaNihilist** · 01-30-2010, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ua549

So you agree that the iPad as it is now is a product that you think will fail.

No. It will fail with the tech crowd. For the mainstream, it's a toy and as a toy it seems pretty fun and worth $500. Surf the internet, watch a movie, play a game, etc.

It's well priced. It be hard for it to fail. Most of Apple's failures are a result of their high price.

**Soul Assassin** · 01-30-2010, 08:34 PM

I think it'll sell a great amount, just like the iPod and iPhone. It's a cheap Apple product, it's trendy, it appeals to a wide variety of people.

I note from your list of failures that's there's nothing from the 2000s on there except the Cube, which unlike the rest of your list isn't much of a "failure". It was enormously popular, just had some design issues which kept people from purchasing it to the levels at which they purchase other Apple products. But it's nowhere near the same realm as the Pippin or 20th Anniversary Mac. The dotcom I worked for in those days had around 40 G4 Cubes in the art department.

There isn't much failure coming out of Apple in the Steve Jobs era, and I don't see the iPad changing that. The guy is a marketing genius.

**ua549** · 01-31-2010, 07:40 AM

Apple pulled the G4 Cube from the market in less than 2 years.
Approximately 150,000 units were sold.
I don't call that a success compared to other Apple computers available during that time.

**Nater** · 01-31-2010, 07:54 AM

This thing will sell, no doubt about it. I don't think it will sell as well as the iPod or the iPhone thought. It's still the best slate type device out there, probably will be for sometime.

What kills it for me is the lack of a widescreen panel, no multitasking, no SD card slot or USB port(s). It needs to be a little more than a big ***, 4:3 iPod Touch with an optional $170 3G chip. Maybe I'll end up with the third or fourth version.

**ImaNihilist** · 01-31-2010, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ua549

Apple pulled the G4 Cube from the market in less than 2 years.
Approximately 150,000 units were sold.
I don't call that a success compared to other Apple computers available during that time.

They will sell 150,000 units in the first hour they are on sale. Easily.

**ImaNihilist** · 01-31-2010, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nater

This thing will sell, no doubt about it. I don't think it will sell as well as the iPod or the iPhone thought. It's still the best slate type device out there, probably will be for sometime.

What kills it for me is the lack of a widescreen panel, no multitasking, no SD card slot or USB port(s). It needs to be a little more than a big ***, 4:3 iPod Touch with an optional $170 3G chip. Maybe I'll end up with the third or fourth version.

I can see a 1440x960ish model in the near future when they can get that kind of pixel density, at the right price, in a 10" display.

**ua549** · 01-31-2010, 11:26 AM

My bet is that the announced iPad model will be a failure and a second generation version will be announced before the end of the year.

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01-30-2010, 12:46 PM	#1
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01-30-2010, 04:34 PM	#4
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01-30-2010, 05:38 PM	#5
rimmerchant Great White Shark Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,661	I won't be buying one... to me it's too big to be a phone/gaming device and if I want to run programs and appliccations I would op for a netbook or laptop. not to mention 1- I will be tied down to the apple store for their stuff. 2- no user replacable battery, 3- no usb port 4- more expensive that a netbook that is just me.. but if other don't mind bending over and pulling their pants down for apple that's their business __________________ C2D Q6600 @ 3.2 ghz, Enermax Liberty 620watt PSU, Gigabyte GA-965PDS3 mobo, 4x2gb OCZ DDR2 800mhz, 2x OCZ vertex 60gb Raid0 + 1TB + 320gb HD, SB Xi-Fi Extreme Gamer, 16x DVDRW Liteon, Logitech Cordless MX3100 desktop w MX1000 mouse + G9 laser mouse, Logitech cordless rumblepad 2, Sennheiser HDR100 wireless headset, ATI Remote Wonder II, Logitech QuickCamPro 9000, Eyefinity Triple 24" Widescrn LCD + ATI 5870, Win 7 ultimate

01-30-2010, 06:54 PM	#6
Timman_24 I don't roll on Shabbos! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Urbana, IL Posts: 9,282	I think it will sell pretty fast at first and then people will realize there is nothing you can use it for. School kids will buy it instead of a laptop and then fumble around with the touch keyboard cursing under their breath. Disgruntled kindle buyers will purchase it and realize the screen sucks for reading. IMO it is a romantic idea brought forth by the likes of mid century scifi writers but in reality a slate type computer interface is not the most efficient way for us to input. I feel that to be able to type efficiently I need to be able to use tactile feelings to keep me on track. __________________ The Rig E8500 \| Gigabyte DS4-X48\| G.Skill 4gig (2x2) 2x Visiontek HD4870 \| Onboard Codec Sound \| Hanns-g 28" Monitor Samsung DVD-R CD-RW 52x32x52x16 \| 1TB and 320gig \| No Floppy! Antec 900\| Corsair 750TX\| Tuniq Tower \| 4 120mm & 1 200mm fan Currently playing: Dead Space, Crysis, Forza 3 \| Last Game Beaten: NFS Undercover Check out my Locost build: http://locost.wordpress.com

01-30-2010, 12:58 PM	#2
ImaNihilist I am the Walrus. Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Manhattan Posts: 12,877	Unlikely. It will add to the sales of the iPod/iPhone platform. They'll sell like hotcakes, and if the iPhone OS ever gets multitasking, it will become a mainstream tool. I think the real problem with the iPhone platform is that it's been much more successful then even Apple anticipated. It started as a mobile phone OS, and now it's turning into something very different. Had they been able to foresee it being this popular I think they would have put more forethought into application development.

01-30-2010, 08:34 PM	#10
Soul Assassin Hammerhead Shark Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Heartbreak Hill Posts: 2,366	I think it'll sell a great amount, just like the iPod and iPhone. It's a cheap Apple product, it's trendy, it appeals to a wide variety of people. I note from your list of failures that's there's nothing from the 2000s on there except the Cube, which unlike the rest of your list isn't much of a "failure". It was enormously popular, just had some design issues which kept people from purchasing it to the levels at which they purchase other Apple products. But it's nowhere near the same realm as the Pippin or 20th Anniversary Mac. The dotcom I worked for in those days had around 40 G4 Cubes in the art department. There isn't much failure coming out of Apple in the Steve Jobs era, and I don't see the iPad changing that. The guy is a marketing genius. __________________ "The reasonable man adapts himself to the conditions that surround him... The unreasonable man adapts surrounding conditions to himself... All progress depends on the unreasonable man."

01-31-2010, 07:40 AM	#11
ua549 morte prima di disonore Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 20,746	Apple pulled the G4 Cube from the market in less than 2 years. Approximately 150,000 units were sold. I don't call that a success compared to other Apple computers available during that time. __________________ Retired since 1998 and enjoying every minute of it. Notebook: Core Duo T7200, 4GB Mem, Seagate 500GB, Quadro NVS 110, Windows 7 Enterprise Workstation: Dual Xeon E5472 Quads, 16GB Mem, Areca 1210 4TB Raid 5, 1.5TB Raid 1, Quadro NVS 290, Viewsonic VP191b & VA2026w, Windows 7 Enterprise

01-31-2010, 07:54 AM	#12
Nater Mako Shark Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Crawfordsville Indiana Posts: 3,017	This thing will sell, no doubt about it. I don't think it will sell as well as the iPod or the iPhone thought. It's still the best slate type device out there, probably will be for sometime. What kills it for me is the lack of a widescreen panel, no multitasking, no SD card slot or USB port(s). It needs to be a little more than a big ***, 4:3 iPod Touch with an optional $170 3G chip. Maybe I'll end up with the third or fourth version. __________________ Q6600 @ 3.6GHz (Tuniq Tower 120) - DFI Lanparty LT P35-T2R - 8GB Corsair DDR2-800 - eVGA GTX 275 SC - SoundBlaster X-Fi - Western Digital VelociRaptor 300GB - Seagate 7200.10 750GB (2) - Western Digital 1.5TB Green (2) - Western Digital 2TB Green - WINDy-Soldam MT-Pro 1700 - Antec Signature 850W- HP LP2475W (H-IPS) - Samsung 204B (TN) - Alienware Ozma 7 Headphones - Windows 7 Ultimate

01-31-2010, 11:26 AM	#15
ua549 morte prima di disonore Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 20,746	My bet is that the announced iPad model will be a failure and a second generation version will be announced before the end of the year. __________________ Retired since 1998 and enjoying every minute of it. Notebook: Core Duo T7200, 4GB Mem, Seagate 500GB, Quadro NVS 110, Windows 7 Enterprise Workstation: Dual Xeon E5472 Quads, 16GB Mem, Areca 1210 4TB Raid 5, 1.5TB Raid 1, Quadro NVS 290, Viewsonic VP191b & VA2026w, Windows 7 Enterprise

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