Help with frames

Hi,
I'm wondering if what I want is technically possible.
I have a page with two frames. (the page is splitted horizontally)
So I have a smaller top frame and bigger frame under it.
In the top frame I would like to have a dropdown menu. Now when there are too many items in the "dropdown", you won't see it all because of the frame.Of course I could make the top frame bigger but that's not the idea.

So, is there a way to keep the menu "on top" of the bigger frame?

All advise is welcome!!

I know exactly what you're talking about. I ran some tests on that about a year ago myself, and to the best of my knowledge, there is no way you can make a DHTML menu position itself over a frame border.

The ended up using a <select> box, and styled it rather nicely with CSS. <select> boxes will actually move over the frameborder without a problem.

Hmmm, that's bad news. I don't like "select boxes" :(

Could working with layers be the solution? Is it possible to trigger layer just like frames?

Thanks a million for your answer, you saved me a lot of time!!

Do you have a link of the page with the select boxes? It starts to intricate me.

Yeah sure, it was just for some little contact manager I made for myself in PHP about a year and a half ago.

http://elephant.wox.org:81/

I setup a test account with no contacts so you could test it out:

U: mak
P: pass

Thanks a lot! I think I have no choice & give it a try.

Thanks for your help!

Yeah!! I worked out the select box and css-ed it a bit.
The only thing I can't modify is the arrow. Do you have any idea? I hate "windows grey" in a site.

I didnt think it was possible but check out

http://www.beazer.com/

They seem to be throwing something over the frames.

Thanks for pointing me in that direction. I did some more searching & found this page:

http://www.milonic.co.uk/menu/frames/

happy happy joy joy :D

Thx for all the help!!

in all honesty, i'm glad you found something to help you out, but i'd SERIOUSLY sugguest getting rid of frames period. ssi can solve all your problems, and keep your page ONE.

personally, i think frames are bad design, but thats just me (the web page you referenced said the same thing). if you need help reorganizing ur page for ssi, let me know.

Well, I'll give you the site I'm working on.

When you click the logo, the next page will go full screen.
Reason for that is that I want to create a context menu (when you right click). I want to "try" to protect the pictures I will put online.

If you have suggestions how to create this page differently, I'm all yours. ;)

http://users.skynet.be/7om

ps: it's not finished at all!!

dude, i'd seriously consider reworking the page ;). ur page just bugged me, lol. i'm impressed with what you did, but if you know what ur doing (which i do), you can grab all of your code and pictures, no matter where you hide the link. and if you go through all that much trouble, to make a full-screen window, and disable right-clicking, people are going to go out of their way to grab your stuff.

the best way to do it (imo) is to just make your page normal ... don't disable netscape, don't disable rightclicking, just a normal web page. no frames either. all you need to to is just use tables, and keep your navigation info either on either side. for example, check out my page at http://www.lainhoff.com, and you'll see what i mean.

the right-click menu is nice, but most people would find it annoying that they can't right-click ;). a standard menu on the left or top should work fine ... and the javascript/dhtml menues work fine like that, as well.

I'm aware of the contras but I wanted to do something else than a normal page.

You're absolutely right, perhaps I will reconsider.

Perhaps an option to a normal site and a full screen would be a good idea...