Gainward gf2 Ti450 vs. Ti500XP

Okay. You all have convinced me to get a Gainward Gf2 TI card. My only question is, on a relatively tight budget, is the difference noticeable between the Gainward Gf2 Ti450 4.5ns and the Gainward Gf2 Ti500XP 4ns? The 500XP is about $30 more on Newegg and incudes VIVO, which I probably WON'T use. If all I'm buying with the 500XP over the Ti450 is the VIVO, then I can't really justify spending the extra $$ on something I won't be using.

I am looking to purchase TODAY, so any response is appreciated!

I will be upgrading my mobo (Abit A7M or Asus KG7R), CPU (1+GHz), and memory (128 or 256), so this card should fit okay.
------------------
Current set-up (upgrading soon!):
Gigabyte GA-5AA ALi Aladdin V
AMD K6-3D 350MHz
64 MB PC100
Creative Labs 16MB Blaster Banshee AGP
Sound Blaster 16-bit AWE64
Altec Lansing ACS 45.2
44x CDROM
56.6 Kbps Rockwell

[This message has been edited by ellert (edited December 31, 2001).]

The difference besdies the VIVO is that it has faster RAM(4ns vs. 4.5 ns).That means you can overclock it much higher than normal speeds which is a very good thing https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif

------------------
My Gaming PC

_Enermax Black Server Tower Case with 330 watt PSU and 3 case fans.
[ Exact case as Alienware]
_Soyo Dragon Plus Motherboard with RAID and LAN Via KT266A
_AMD Athlon XP Pr1800+ 1.53ghz retail
_Crucial 256mb Pc2100 DIMM
_Ati Radeon 8500 64mb DDR RETAIL or GeForce 4 128 mb DDR
_Maxtor 40 GB 7,200 rpm D740X ATA133
_Lite On 16x DVD/48x CD ROm drive
_Lite On 24/10/40 CD-RW
_Sony 3.5" Floppy
_ (2) x 24in. BLue rounded IDE ATA100 cables
_ 18 in. Blue rounded floppy cable
_Creative Labs Audigy sound card
_3com 10/10 mbps Ethernt card(DSL)
_U.s Robotics 56k V.90 modem (backup)
_NEC Multicync FE950+ Flat creen 19" monitor
_WIndows XP home edition
_Keyboard + Mouse
_Creative labs Inspire 4.1 4400 Speakers

Yeah all the lower RAM ns means is that you can OC it at much higher frequencys and getting it to run stable without additional cooling other then the stock cooling that comes with the card. Since your probably not going to use the VIVO (hardly anyone does its just a feature that people want nowadays to judge a card...mainly the more features we see the better we rate a card no matter what its stupid I know) you should save the $30 and just buy the Gainward GF2 Ti450...but on the other hand if you want to nail Ti500 speeds without much stress or additional cooling then its definitally worth the extra $30 to get the Ti500XP.

------------------
PlanetSide is coming...

"...a pioneering game that will bring gaming's most thrilling genre to a huge global stage." - PC GAMER

PlanetSide Info<--- CLICK

PlanetSide Pics<--- 67 Highly Advanced Engine Pics

Official Website<--- All the latest updates and news
First MMOFPS to ever grace the PC...coming 2003 you have been warned. Verant gurantees that eyes will bleed like they did with EQ.

Kyro II, Kyro II Ultra and the Kyro III Stats/Info

I have the ti 450 and i can tell you i oc'd it to 533 without any problems so if overclocking is what you worried about i don't think it matters that much, on that note don't mess with the core!!! What kind of sound card do you have? The reason i ask is that this card hated my two turtle beach vortex cards, the sytem was very unstable. I was only able to fix the stability issues by using a vortex 1 (8810). The montego and montego2 8820b and 8830) had some compatibility problems, so much so that both would lock the comp during installation of the drivers for each.

iyox - my sound card is an ancient AWE64. I'm not too worried about it...yet.

I just got done ordering a new mobo outfit: Abit KR7A-RAID w/ Athlon 1133MHz and 256MB PC2100. A heck of an upgrade at a reasonable price. Now, to offset "splurging" for the KR7A, I might be leaning more towards the less expensive Ti450...unless I hear other opinions...

------------------
Current set-up (upgrading soon!):
Gigabyte GA-5AA ALi Aladdin V
AMD K6-3D 350MHz
64 MB PC100
Creative Labs 16MB Blaster Banshee AGP
Sound Blaster 16-bit AWE64
Altec Lansing ACS 45.2
44x CDROM
56.6 Kbps Rockwell

Quote:

---

Originally posted by iyox:
I have the ti 450 and i can tell you i oc'd it to 533 without any problems so if overclocking is what you worried about i don't think it matters that much, on that note don't mess with the core!!! What kind of sound card do you have? The reason i ask is that this card hated my two turtle beach vortex cards, the sytem was very unstable. I was only able to fix the stability issues by using a vortex 1 (8810). The montego and montego2 8820b and 8830) had some compatibility problems, so much so that both would lock the comp during installation of the drivers for each.

---

Yeah. nothin wrong with the ti450.
Its 4.5ns ram is still faster than most at 5ns.

I have MSI GF2 Pro with 5ns EliteMT ram which can be clocked to 500 clean and around 520 Max with a little artifacting(ram sinks a must at these speeds).And this is one of the fastest 5ns Pro's.

The gainward ti 500XP is only the fastest GF2 on the planet.Few Ultra's can touch it.
Toms hardware had their sample at 315/570 at which it out paced a GF3 ti200 in Q3 HI 1600x1200-32 by 76-73 fps.
------------------

• Slot T Bird 700@833,1.75v,300w power,256Mb PC133 cas3@119 cas2
• MSI K7Pro(750 Irongate)Super Bypass
• ASUS V6600 Pure GF256 SDR 5ns SG 120/166 top speed 167/218 NV 7.78 , 12.90 & 21.85 Drivers,NVMax3
• 2718 3D2k1 (DF)833 165/216 12.90dvr, 2927-22.40dvr
• MDK2 max 1024x768-16=115fps,-32=72,640x480-16=125

[This message has been edited by GB_Cobber (edited December 31, 2001).]

Quote:

---

Originally posted by ellert:
iyox - my sound card is an ancient AWE64. I'm not too worried about it...yet.

I just got done ordering a new mobo outfit: Abit KR7A-RAID w/ Athlon 1133MHz and 256MB PC2100. A heck of an upgrade at a reasonable price. Now, to offset "splurging" for the KR7A, I might be leaning more towards the less expensive Ti450...unless I hear other opinions...

---

While your at it you should head over to an online outlet and buy a $12 blorb which should suit you fine for your OCing needs. You most likely wont need it but just incase your worried about the heat and messing up your Ti200 when you OC it to Ti500 speeds then I would definitally buy it.

------------------
PlanetSide is coming...

"...a pioneering game that will bring gaming's most thrilling genre to a huge global stage." - PC GAMER

PlanetSide Info<--- CLICK

PlanetSide Pics<--- 67 Highly Advanced Engine Pics

Official Website<--- All the latest updates and news
First MMOFPS to ever grace the PC...coming 2003 you have been warned. Verant gurantees that eyes will bleed like they did with EQ.

Kyro II, Kyro II Ultra and the Kyro III Stats/Info

LOL Snoop. Id swear you never read these posts before replying. https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif

No'ones buying a GF3.

Good point on the blorb though.
Its essential for stable overclocking,but id get the Crystal orb to save an hour sanding and lapping.
The crystal orb has a milled copper base,while the Blorb is solid cast alloy and ussually ends up with a big hole in its base due shrinkage as the alloy cools afetr casting.

[note to myself]: primary mission in life.
"make Snoop a man" https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif

------------------

• Slot T Bird 700@833,1.75v,300w power,256Mb PC133 cas3@119 cas2
• MSI K7Pro(750 Irongate)Super Bypass
• ASUS V6600 Pure GF256 SDR 5ns SG 120/166 top speed 167/218 NV 7.78 , 12.90 & 21.85 Drivers,NVMax3
• 2718 3D2k1 (DF)833 165/216 12.90dvr, 2927-22.40dvr
• MDK2 max 1024x768-16=115fps,-32=72,640x480-16=125

Quote:

---

Originally posted by GB_Cobber:
LOL Snoop. Id swear you never read these posts before replying. https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif

No'ones buying a GF3.

Good point on the blorb though.
Its essential for stable overclocking,but id get the Crystal orb to save an hour sanding and lapping.
The crystal orb has a milled copper base,while the Blorb is solid cast alloy and ussually ends up with a big hole in its base due shrinkage as the alloy cools afetr casting.

[note to myself]: primary mission in life.
"make Snoop a man" https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif

---

LOL DUDE READ THE F'N TOPIC! I am saying if he buys it just so he has it before hand! https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif Jeezus lol now I am starting to feel like your trying to dog on me.

------------------
PlanetSide is coming...

"...a pioneering game that will bring gaming's most thrilling genre to a huge global stage." - PC GAMER

PlanetSide Info<--- CLICK

PlanetSide Pics<--- 67 Highly Advanced Engine Pics

Official Website<--- All the latest updates and news
First MMOFPS to ever grace the PC...coming 2003 you have been warned. Verant gurantees that eyes will bleed like they did with EQ.

Kyro II, Kyro II Ultra and the Kyro III Stats/Info

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Snoop Dogg:
LOL DUDE READ THE F'N TOPIC! I am saying if he buys it just so he has it before hand! https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif Jeezus lol now I am starting to feel like your trying to dog on me.

---

Im reffering to this bit:

Quote:

---

You most likely wont need it but just incase your worried about the heat and messing up your Ti200 when you OC it to Ti500 speeds then I would definitally buy it.

---

Oh, chucky! chucky! chukcy! LOL
Never argue with your master Dawg. https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif

------------------

• Slot T Bird 700@833,1.75v,300w power,256Mb PC133 cas3@119 cas2
• MSI K7Pro(750 Irongate)Super Bypass
• ASUS V6600 Pure GF256 SDR 5ns SG 120/166 top speed 167/218 NV 7.78 , 12.90 & 21.85 Drivers,NVMax3
• 2718 3D2k1 (DF)833 165/216 12.90dvr, 2927-22.40dvr
• MDK2 max 1024x768-16=115fps,-32=72,640x480-16=125

My Geforce2 Ti500 doesn't even hit 300mhz core even with an 80mm fan blowing over it.

Nevertheless, it still overclocks very nicely.

------------------
Thunderbird 1200/200mhz w/512MB-DDR
MSI K7T266 6380 DDR Motherboard
Gainward Geforce2 Ti500XP @ 275/505

Quote:

---

Originally posted by GB_Cobber:
Oh, chucky! chucky! chukcy! LOL
Never argue with your master Dawg. https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif

---

Bro I still dont understand *** your saying LOL. He said he is looking for a Ti200 card okay...Now I said when you get that you can OC it to Ti500 speeds ok. He just said that he bout a MOBO and CPU look in the thread! https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif Now I said while your buying that you should buy a BLORB for your Ti200 when you get it. Do you understand now? LOL I think you got too drunk this New Years https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/6.gif.

------------------
PlanetSide is coming...

"...a pioneering game that will bring gaming's most thrilling genre to a huge global stage." - PC GAMER

PlanetSide Info<--- CLICK

PlanetSide Pics<--- 67 Highly Advanced Engine Pics

Official Website<--- All the latest updates and news
First MMOFPS to ever grace the PC...coming 2003 you have been warned. Verant gurantees that eyes will bleed like they did with EQ.

Kyro II, Kyro II Ultra and the Kyro III Stats/Info

Dude, you guys are freakin' hellarious. It sounds like everyone tanked a few before the ball dropped New Year's Eve!!! I appreciate the feedback. I think I'll put in my Ti500XP order first thing Wed. morning. Just don't tell the wife that I'm going for the more $$$ board! https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/6.gif

------------------
Current set-up (upgrading soon!):
Gigabyte GA-5AA ALi Aladdin V
AMD K6-3D 350MHz
64 MB PC100
Creative Labs 16MB Blaster Banshee AGP
Sound Blaster 16-bit AWE64
Altec Lansing ACS 45.2
44x CDROM
56.6 Kbps Rockwell

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Snoop Dogg:
Bro I still dont understand *** your saying LOL. He said he is looking for a Ti200 card okay...Now I said when you get that you can OC it to Ti500 speeds ok. He just said that he bout a MOBO and CPU look in the thread! https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif Now I said while your buying that you should buy a BLORB for your Ti200 when you get it. Do you understand now? LOL I think you got too drunk this New Years https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/6.gif.

---

Snoop...the guy's wanting to buy a GeForce2 not a GeForce3.



------------------
"There is no gain without sacrifice. Great sacrifice means great achievements."

AMD Athlon XP [email protected] (10.5x133)| EPoX EP-8KHA+| 256MB Crucial PC2100 CAS2| VisionTek Geforce3 Ti200| Sound Blaster Live Platinum!| 80GB 7200RPM Western Digital| 4x/4x/24x LG CD-RW| 5x TOSHIBA DVD-ROM| 19" NEC AccuSync 90

Quote:

---

Originally posted by jagojago12:
Snoop...the guy's wanting to buy a GeForce2 not a GeForce3.

---

Baaahhh! SOB!!! Gainward why the hell do they confuse the names with the GF3 line? Makes no sense the whole Ti500 thing when the GF3 has a Ti500 aswell.

Ohh well thanks for the clear up Jagojago I just couldn't catch on.

Anyways I would still do what I said and put in $40 more for a GF3 Ti200 its well worth the money or the wait to get the money. I think its a waste of time and money to be getting a GF2 when something else is currently out there for almost the same price.

Then again its not Snoop Doggy Doggs moneyz so I will shuts up now https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif

------------------
PlanetSide is coming...

"...a pioneering game that will bring gaming's most thrilling genre to a huge global stage." - PC GAMER

PlanetSide Info<--- CLICK

PlanetSide Pics<--- 67 Highly Advanced Engine Pics

Official Website<--- All the latest updates and news
First MMOFPS to ever grace the PC...coming 2003 you have been warned. Verant gurantees that eyes will bleed like they did with EQ.

Kyro II, Kyro II Ultra and the Kyro III Stats/Info

[This message has been edited by Snoop Dogg (edited January 02, 2002).]