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It appears MS has conceeded to paying Sun 20 Million and to making sure all versions of Java in the feature adhear to the Sun standard. Some good news for cross-platform Java programs.
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My box said "WindowsME/2000 or better" so I installed Linux.
All I'm going to have to say, aw... Poor Microsoft.... It got its hand slapped.... https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gifQuote:
Originally posted by jtshaw:
http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2001-01/sunflash.20010123.1.htm l;$sessionid$MIDZUJYAAA30JAMTA1LU45Q
It appears MS has conceeded to paying Sun 20 Million and to making sure all versions of Java in the feature adhear to the Sun standard. Some good news for cross-platform Java programs.
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Ya, if you ask me they got off pretty easy, though the money wasn't the big thing Sun was looking for, the agreement to use Sun compatible Java from now on was the real victory.
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My box said "WindowsME/2000 or better" so I installed Linux.
I agree. This is an all around victory for the software world. No more programmers having to purposfully "break" code just to make it work on the 85% majority of the desktop machines in the world.Quote:
Originally posted by jtshaw:
Ya, if you ask me they got off pretty easy, though the money wasn't the big thing Sun was looking for, the agreement to use Sun compatible Java from now on was the real victory.
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There is a downside though. Now microsoft will be pushing their own techologies a lot harder to try and dominate that market as well. What's up with this .NET strategy? They seem to be forcing their way through again...
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"Pain is temporary. Glory is eternal"
A victory, yes, but a bit hollow for those building Java apps. The agreement doesn't change the landscape for the Java community on Windows platforms, as it freezes the Microsoft-Java platform at a point 3+ years ago. With this, Microsoft has clearly opted out of Java; the $20M just bought them the time needed to get their alternative .NET in place (cheap at twice the price).
The more substantial problem is that if you want your Java apps to run on Windows--using the Microsoft-provided facilities--that you have to write apps against 1.1.4. If that works for you, wonderful--this event is a nop. If that doesn't work for you, you're still going to have to deal with Windows the same way you did a year ago--and this event is also a nop.
MS's incompatibility has always been relatively easy to deal with: use the lowest common denominator OR use Sun-distributions, not MS distributions; don't use Visual J++ (no loss); and ensure the Sun run-times are on the platform. The last is a pain, but not usually fatal unless you have to download the whole thing to a consumer's machine over dial-up (a serious problem only if you're building fat java clients).
I didn't even think of that angle on things...very good points.
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Originally posted by JFCL:
A victory, yes, but a bit hollow for those building Java apps. The agreement doesn't change the landscape for the Java community on Windows platforms, as it freezes the Microsoft-Java platform at a point 3+ years ago. With this, Microsoft has clearly opted out of Java; the $20M just bought them the time needed to get their alternative .NET in place (cheap at twice the price).
The more substantial problem is that if you want your Java apps to run on Windows--using the Microsoft-provided facilities--that you have to write apps against 1.1.4. If that works for you, wonderful--this event is a nop. If that doesn't work for you, you're still going to have to deal with Windows the same way you did a year ago--and this event is also a nop.
MS's incompatibility has always been relatively easy to deal with: use the lowest common denominator OR use Sun-distributions, not MS distributions; don't use Visual J++ (no loss); and ensure the Sun run-times are on the platform. The last is a pain, but not usually fatal unless you have to download the whole thing to a consumer's machine over dial-up (a serious problem only if you're building fat java clients).
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My box said "WindowsME/2000 or better" so I installed Linux.
Well said. This wasn't a victory for Sun. MS is going to start to push its .NET strategy along with C#. Also, I have read where IE6 won't include Java support, that you will have to download the Java support sperately. http://dev.www.sharkyforums.forums.relay.cool/Quote:
Originally posted by kid A:
There is a downside though. Now microsoft will be pushing their own techologies a lot harder to try and dominate that market as well. What's up with this .NET strategy? They seem to be forcing their way through again...
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Ouch. Breaking it out from IE6 would hurt. *sigh* The individual/technologist in me wants to scream at them; the capitalist in me wants to applaud them. I take heart from the fact that all past attempts to rule the world have failed (big blue, at&t/sun, ma bell, the red menace, ...); intelligence is inversely proportional to monopoly power.Quote:
Originally posted by Sol:
Well said. This wasn't a victory for Sun. MS is going to start to push its .NET strategy along with C#. Also, I have read where IE6 won't include Java support, that you will have to download the Java support sperately. http://dev.www.sharkyforums.forums.relay.cool/
Yeah, there was an article I read about this. If I find the link I will post it. It was talking about how the real loser was the developer. Which I agree becuase MS is now going to try and push its new .NET framework.
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"You know, I have one simple request, and that is to have sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their heads. Is that too much to ask?"