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I hawe a retail normal GF3 Leadtek not TI series and a friend of mine just bought a TI4400 MSI and he want to give me his Radeon 8500 Retail (275 memory)for a good price .
Now ,.... if i sold my old GF3 it will be for the exact same money so i consider that is an exchange .
It is worthit to swap those or not ?
Thx for your time and help .
There's no reaon to do this. The cards are approximately equal in performance, R8500s have more driver and compatibility issues.
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Originally posted by TimisoaraKill
I hawe a retail normal GF3 Leadtek not TI series and a friend of mine just bought a TI4400 MSI and he want to give me his Radeon 8500 Retail (275 memory)for a good price .
Now ,.... if i sold my old GF3 it will be for the exact same money so i consider that is an exchange .
It is worthit to swap those or not ?
Thx for your time and help .
i say go with it! i had a geforce3 (not ti) and it was junk my 8500 is much better! if you can get the ati for a good price i say go for it! by the way how much is he sellin it to you and how much do you think you can get for your card? if your goin to pay 40$ more than what you could sell your card for i would stay with the gf3 but if you can get for maybe 20$ more i would go for it. That 8500 will work great with your rig. Good Luck
ummm equal in performance? lol no way, the 8500 is much faster than the gf3 8500= 275/275(550) vs gf3= 200/460 pluse you will get much better detail with the 8500Quote:
Originally posted by JethroBodine
There's no reaon to do this. The cards are approximately equal in performance, R8500s have more driver and compatibility issues.
youve never had an 8500 have you?Quote:
Originally posted by JethroBodine
There's no reaon to do this. The cards are approximately equal in performance, R8500s have more driver and compatibility issues.
for the last time people ati's drivers are just fine they are just about as good as nvidia's and the new CATALYST drivers put there performance almost on par with that of a 4200
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Originally posted by fbs1992
youve never had an 8500 have you?
for the last time people ati's drivers are just fine they are just about as good as nvidia's and the new CATALYST drivers put there performance almost on par with that of a 4200
I had 3DFX, Geforce and now ATI and all the ATI drivers i had work fine no different than the geforce drivers
how much of a price are we talking about here? also see if you could try it out before you buy it just to see if you like it yourself...
its funny how people still say that ATI drivers suck.. it reminds me of time when no one would belive that AMD actually made a good CPU, just because they first ones sucked.
LOL clock speeds mean very little when comparing Nvidia to ATI look at the geforce4 Ti4400 its clocked at 275/275 and it beats the pants off the 8500 in everything by large amounts.Quote:
Originally posted by WildThing
ummm equal in performance? lol no way, the 8500 is much faster than the gf3 8500= 275/275(550) vs gf3= 200/460 pluse you will get much better detail with the 8500
Stick with the Geforce3 its a good "quality" card and will last you longer, If you realy wanna upgrade try and get some cash and go for a geforce4 Ti.
I have both cards ATI's drivers are still not up to snuff anyone with both cards would tell you the same unless they don't know what to look for.Quote:
Originally posted by DaSuperhick
its funny how people still say that ATI drivers suck.. it reminds me of time when no one would belive that AMD actually made a good CPU, just because they first ones sucked.
That statement right there ruins your credibility on these forums on this issue.Quote:
Originally posted by WildThing
I had 3DFX, Geforce and now ATI and all the ATI drivers i had work fine no different than the geforce drivers
My Radeon64meg DDR still has issues which will never be fixed, my furymaxx doesn’t even have drivers and my 8500 cards still have issues which might never be fixed.
Every Nvidia card I have ever owned worked perfect in every game under any os exactly as it was advertised to do, I can’t say the same thing about any ATI cards.
As for performance look here http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1583&p=12 The geforce3 beats the 8500 and the Ti200 is almost as fast.
Explain to me then why my Asus V7100 Pro would freeze or crash in Windows XP every 15 min?Quote:
Originally posted by Newbie-Overclocker
That statement right there ruins your credibility on these forums on this issue.
My Radeon64meg DDR still has issues which will never be fixed, my furymaxx doesn’t even have drivers and my 8500 cards still have issues which might never be fixed.
Every Nvidia card I have ever owned worked perfect in every game under any os exactly as it was advertised to do, I can’t say the same thing about any ATI cards.
As for performance look here http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1583&p=12 The geforce3 beats the 8500 and the Ti200 is almost as fast.
And why are you looking at an old review. ATI releases a new driver a month or so, on average.
The person that setup the system is a newbie or an idiot and can't configure the system.Quote:
Originally posted by AMD_Man
Explain to me then why my Asus V7100 Pro would freeze or crash in Windows XP every 15 min?
The new drivers have done nothing for real-WORLD performance I know for sure as I own the card, The latest cat drivers gain nothing infact they are slower in some games.Quote:
Originally posted by AMD_Man
And why are you looking at an old review. ATI releases a new driver a month or so, on average.
Keep your Geforce3 its faster and will be better in most future games because of the higher quality drivers and memory controller.Quote:
Originally posted by TimisoaraKill
I hawe a retail normal GF3 Leadtek not TI series and a friend of mine just bought a TI4400 MSI and he want to give me his Radeon 8500 Retail (275 memory)for a good price .
Now ,.... if i sold my old GF3 it will be for the exact same money so i consider that is an exchange .
It is worthit to swap those or not ?
Thx for your time and help .
Most Geforce3 cards can overclock to 220-230/500-560 I would try overclocking since it would give you Ti500 like speeds and it would be alot faster then the R8500. There are some games like JediKnight2 where the 8500 has a slight atvantage 1-2fps but its not worth switching cards because 95% of games will be faster with the Geforce3, The very very few games that are slower on the geforce3 will be become faster on the gf3 when Nvidia releases their new DET5 drivers.
If you say so... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Newbie-Overclocker
The new drivers have done nothing for real-WORLD performance I know for sure as I own the card, The latest cat drivers gain nothing infact they are slower in some games.
I don't need to say so if you goto hardOCP you can see for yourself, The only people that claim their is more performance are the people that are biased towards nvida cards. I have both cards I like both company's I just call it how it is.Quote:
Originally posted by AMD_Man
If you say so...
Put it into High-Performance mode. There's no noticable quality loss and a decent performance boost at least in my opinion.Quote:
Originally posted by Newbie-Overclocker
I don't need to say so if you goto hardOCP you can see for yourself, The only people that claim their is more performance are the people that are biased towards nvida cards. I have both cards I like both company's I just call it how it is.
You can say that for anyone that has a screwed up system :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Newbie-Overclocker
The person that setup the system is a newbie or an idiot and can't configure the system.
All reviews are already useing the high-performance mode and their is no gain.Quote:
Originally posted by AMD_Man
Put it into High-Performance mode. There's no noticable quality loss and a decent performance boost at least in my opinion.
No, they weren't.Quote:
Originally posted by Newbie-Overclocker
All reviews are already useing the high-performance mode and their is no gain.
Its not just ATI.....
When I owned my Matrox G200 I had to use an OpenGL wrapper to play Q2 based games.
When I owned my Matrox G400 I had to wait for three driver releases before their OGL ICD was good enough for Quake 3.
When I owned my 3Dfx voodoo 4 I had issues with Madden NFL 2002 in Windows 2000.
When I owned my 3D Prophet II I had issues with No One Lives for ever game text. I had issues with tearing in Quake 3. I had to run two different driver sets in order to get X game to work.
When I owned my Radeon SDR. The only game I had issues with was Grand Theft Auto 3, well, everyone has issues with it.
Now that I own 8500 and using Catalyst Drivers along with Rage3D Tweak (disabling Fog Table) my problems with GTA3 has gone away and I can honestly say that I have no other issues with any other game I have.
What is my point? Every video card has its quirks, not just ATI.
Jim
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I am not a 3Dmarks 2xxxx kinda person. I don't care what FPS you get in what game. I only care about consistancy and quality. If I play a game and it runs at a constant 50fps and looks oustanding then I am happy. Smoothness will always outway max FPS. God knows how bad a game is if you spike at 120 then drop to 30 every three seconds......
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Originally posted by Newbie-Overclocker
That statement right there ruins your credibility on these forums on this issue.
My Radeon64meg DDR still has issues which will never be fixed, my furymaxx doesn’t even have drivers and my 8500 cards still have issues which might never be fixed.
Every Nvidia card I have ever owned worked perfect in every game under any os exactly as it was advertised to do, I can’t say the same thing about any ATI cards.
As for performance look here http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1583&p=12 The geforce3 beats the 8500 and the Ti200 is almost as fast.
Who do you think you are goin off sayin my statement is BS! you must be a moron if you can't set up your ATI card right, I use all 3 companys and i know what the hell i'm looking for and i hear how you people say ATI don't play games right and how they the crash all the time and how theres a problem with some operating systems and drivers but i think thats BS! cause the people that are having the problems don't know what the hell there doing! i havent had 1 problem with my ATI card its as stable as my voodoo i played every game i have with my 8500 and didn't have 1 problem with it these game were from 1998 to now, my Geforce junk cards i had played games like crap, gave out **** scores (its sad my voodoo3 beat my geforce2 GTS ans scored 1200 points lee than my Geforce3) and other things that go on and its not because on me thats making the card act like **** i even had someone reformat and install my card and drivers just to make sure i didn't screw up on somthing and he had the same problems and that person knew what he was doing because hes got like 5 geforce cards from geforce2 mx to geforce 4 mx 440, So don't listen to these morons say how crappy ATI cards are they just don't want to have a new company come in and be the King, man to bad 3dfx aint around anymore.
You just don't get it do you? Clock speed has nothing to do with performance when comparing 2 different card architectures.Quote:
Originally posted by WildThing
ummm equal in performance? lol no way, the 8500 is much faster than the gf3 8500= 275/275(550) vs gf3= 200/460 pluse you will get much better detail with the 8500
Oh please don't compare ati to amd :o ati still has a long way to go before anyone will have confidence in their drivers.Quote:
it reminds me of time when no one would belive that AMD actually made a good CPU, just because they first ones sucked.