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your cpu maybe weak, but I only have 256 mb ram and my 9600 pro is a 9600pro ez. So you got a much better video card. All you need is like 65 bucks to get mobo combo at fry's and your rig would own mine :pQuote:
Originally posted by soupnazi
You want "weak sauce"?
How about my:
P3 1Ghz
Ti4600
512mb PC133 SDram
:D
We're not being snobs at all. Its just that T-Bird thinks his computer is MUCH better than it really is and we *try* to convince of him of that....:eek:Quote:
Originally posted by Geoffreyeolson
You guys are so snobby. I wish I had a computer like tbirds that could get scores like that on 3dmark:p Mines is total weak sauce.
OMG!! LMAO:D you have a really good point there
my computer is a fine piece of machinery. sure it lost some overclocking, but its either 9.5x or 11x and few cpus can do any decent fsb at 11x and even if they did, big deal ill get 70fps instead of 60. right now this gen of games have very steep requirements along the lines of a 1GHz amd cpu or 1.5GHz intel cpu. Games in early 2006 may be requiring xp2000 or even xp2500 cpus as the min or perhaps a 2.4GHz p4. when the time comes that I can not keep above 20fps, time to retire this rig and build a new one from scratch
1. a64 at 3.9GHz overclock
2. ddr2 dual channel two gigs total
3. stock 3GHz at 250fsb oced to 325fsb for 3.9GHz
4. ram at 5:4 async at 3-3-3-8 timings for ddr520 performance(almost no ram will run 1:1 and if it does, the timings will negate performance)
6. If theres no agp slot, get a pci express card from ati that had better outperform my ti4200 in 3dmark and games, else if agp ill move my ti4200 to this rig.
ROFL!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
my computer is a fine piece of machinery. sure it lost some overclocking, but its either 9.5x or 11x and few cpus can do any decent fsb at 11x and even if they did, big deal ill get 70fps instead of 60. right now this gen of games have very steep requirements along the lines of a 1GHz amd cpu or 1.5GHz intel cpu. Games in early 2006 may be requiring xp2000 or even xp2500 cpus as the min or perhaps a 2.4GHz p4. when the time comes that I can not keep above 20fps, time to retire this rig and build a new one from scratch
1. a64 at 3.9GHz overclock
2. ddr2 dual channel two gigs total
3. stock 3GHz at 250fsb oced to 325fsb for 3.9GHz
4. ram at 5:4 async at 3-3-3-8 timings for ddr520 performance(almost no ram will run 1:1 and if it does, the timings will negate performance)
6. If theres no agp slot, get a pci express card from ati that had better outperform my ti4200 in 3dmark and games, else if agp ill move my ti4200 to this rig.
1Ghz AMD? Those were out in 2002 we are not in 2004... I have seen plenty of games that require a 2.0Ghz Intel with a 128MB video card...
That was about a 8 months ago... So no THIS year for games would be 2.0Ghz or higher and a better video card...
And the difference is more then 70 vs 80.. You were getting 45? While I was getting between 70 - 80.. So its much more then that :)
The likelyhood of a A64 hitting a 3.9Ghz anytime soon is off.. Since there is no PCI lock.. That is not quite possible at the moment... Maybe nvidia would include such a lock with the newer NF3 chip revisions with the newer socket.. Dunno.. IF they dont. Then it would be quite impossible atm...
You do know that there are games out NOW that requires a demanding processor right? So in 2006 as you so put it.. Would require a 3.2+ Intel and a A64 to be the specs...
Thank you...
I say it again. You're all snobs:p My buddy has a humble little machine with a 900mhz duron, 256 mb ram and geforce mx 440 and he plays ffXI everyday (a pretty system intensive game) on it and it runs at a playable framerate:p you enthusiasts are so anal about performance:p
farcry only requires 1GHz on the cpu, in fact I am gonna underclock my tbred to 100x10 to stimulate a 1GHz tbird. Then ill stick my geforce3 ti200 in there. this is the games min requirements. lets see if I can get over 20fps, period! HL2 is rumored to require only 800MHz cpu and a geforce2, not bad at all! I could probably somewhat play it with my old 504MHz celeron, but 10fps isnt gonna cut it too well. I do not need more than 30fps. your 80fps is no different than my 40fps to my eye so its a moot point. ill have to upgrade before you do though
You miss the point. T-Bird needs to open his eyes. Hey, if he didn't go around saying his system can do the impossible, we wouldn't tell him to get a new card.Quote:
Originally posted by Geoffreyeolson
I say it again. You're all snobs:p My buddy has a humble little machine with a 900mhz duron, 256 mb ram and geforce mx 440 and he plays ffXI everyday (a pretty system intensive game) on it and it runs at a playable framerate:p you enthusiasts are so anal about performance:p
None of us cares that a person has a 900MHz Duron, 256MB RAM, and GeForce MX440. So long as that person doesn't make false claims, it's alright... I have a PII 300 still in use. I'm not gonna get rid of it cause it's old.
EDIT: T-Bird...I'd just walk away if I were you. Total ownage.
And I suppose you'd be playing Far Cry on max details with that system too, right?Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
farcry only requires 1GHz on the cpu, in fact I am gonna underclock my tbred to 100x10 to stimulate a 1GHz tbird. Then ill stick my geforce3 ti200 in there. this is the games min requirements. lets see if I can get over 20fps, period! HL2 is rumored to require only 800MHz cpu and a geforce2, not bad at all! I could probably somewhat play it with my old 504MHz celeron, but 10fps isnt gonna cut it too well. I do not need more than 30fps. your 80fps is no different than my 40fps to my eye so its a moot point. ill have to upgrade before you do though
I will only test farcry at 1GHz, but why play at 20fps when I can with 40fps?
Minimal???? You do know minimal is usually 800x600 at max details or 1024x768 at cut down eye candy right?Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
farcry only requires 1GHz on the cpu, in fact I am gonna underclock my tbred to 100x10 to stimulate a 1GHz tbird. Then ill stick my geforce3 ti200 in there. this is the games min requirements. lets see if I can get over 20fps, period! HL2 is rumored to require only 800MHz cpu and a geforce2, not bad at all! I could probably somewhat play it with my old 504MHz celeron, but 10fps isnt gonna cut it too well. I do not need more than 30fps. your 80fps is no different than my 40fps to my eye so its a moot point. ill have to upgrade before you do though
Here are some specs for new games:
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FAR CRY
OS: Windows XP
CPU: 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon processor
RAM: 512 MB
CD-ROM/DVD-ROM: 8X speed
Hard Drive Space: 1.2 GB available
Video: 128 MB DirectX 9 card, NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 or better
Sound: DirectX 8.1b or better compatible
Input: Keyboard and mouse
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Tomb Raider: AOD
CPU: Intel compatible 1.5GHz with T&L graphics card
RAM: 256 Mb
GRAPHICS: 64 Mb 3D Card -100% DirectX 9.0-compatible
SOUND:Windows 98-compatible sound card (100% DirectX 9.0-compatible)
CD-ROM: Eight-speed (8x) CD-ROM drive or faster
HARD DRIVE: 300 Mb free disk space
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Unreal Tournament 2004
Operating System: Windows 98/Me/2000/XP
Processor: Pentium III or AMD Athlon 1.2 GHz processor
Memory: 256 MByte RAM
Hard Disk Space: 500 MByte free(300 MByte for game, 200 MByte swap)
Video: NVIDIA GeForce 2 or ATI Radeon Hardware T&L card with
64 MB VRAM recommended
Sound: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
DirectX: DirectX version 9.0b or higher
Modem: Broadband Internet connection
Internet (TCP/IP) and LAN (TCP/IP) play supported.
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Unreal II
Operating System: Windows 98/Me/2000/XP
Processor: Pentium III or AMD Athlon 1.2 GHz (or higher)
Memory: 384 MByte RAM (or greater)
Hard Disk Space: 3 GByte free HD space
Video: 64MB NVIDIA GeForce3 or ATI Radeon 8500 (or better) *
Sound: Sound Blaster Audigy series sound card*
DirectX: DirectX version 8.1 (included) or higher
Modem: An Internet connection is not required to play this game.
However, files created with Unreal Editor may be shared and/or downloaded. An Internet connection and a Cable/DSL modem is recommended for sharing and downloading.
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Command & Conqure: Zero Hour
CPU: 1.8 GHz or faster Intel Pentium IV or AMD Athlon processor
RAM: 256 MB or more
Video: Nvidia GeForce3 or better Direct3D capable video card
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Knights of the Old Republic
MINIMAL!!!!
Computer: 100% DirectX 9.0b compatible computer required.
CPU: Pentium III or Athlon class 1 GHz or faster CPU required.
Pentium 4 or Athlon XP class 1.6 GHz or faster CPU recommended.
Memory: 128 MB RAM required for Windows 98, 256 MB RAM required
for Windows ME/2000/XP. 512 MB RAM recommended.
Graphics Card: 32 MB OpenGL 1.4 compatible AGP or PCI 3D
Hardware Accelerator with Hardware Transform and Lighting (T&L)
Capability required.
Sound Card: 100% DirectX 9.0b compatible audio device required.
CD-ROM: Quad Speed IDE or SCSI CD-ROM drive required.
Input Device: Keyboard and mouse required.
If HL2 ONLY requires a 800Mhz P3, Then you 504Mhz Celeron is 1/3 the power! How would that be the same??????? The P3's was faster then any Celeron of that era clock vs clock!Quote:
Deus Ex: Invisible War
CPU: Intel Pentium® 4 1.5Ghz (or AMD Athlon™ equivalent)
RAM: 512 MB
GRAPHICS: 100% DirectX® 9.0 compatible 3D Card w/ 64 MB
SOUND: Windows 98SE/2000/XP compatible Sound card (100% DirectX® 9.x compatible)
CD-ROM: Eight-speed (8x) CD-ROM drive or faster.
HARD DRIVE: 2GB free disk space
Interesting, I saw quite a few DX9 titles in there too...the Ti4200 can't do that either....:(
SYSTEM REQUIRMENTS:
Minimum:
Computer: 1 GHz CPU
Memory: 256 MB RAM
Operating System: Windows® 98/ME/2000/XP
Video Card: Geforce 4 MX, Geforce 3 or higher
Drive Space: 582Mb hard drive space
DirectX 9.0b must be installed
Nvidia based cards must have : ForceWare drivers 53.03
ATI based cards must have: Catalyst drivers 3.9
Recommended:
Computer: 2 GHz CPU
Memory: 512 MB RAM
DirectX 9.0b must be installed
Nvidia based cards must have : ForceWare drivers 53.03
ATI based cards must have: Catalyst drivers 3.9
******for all I know, it could mean a 1GHz celeron. I am gonna clock my tbred to 1GHz and stick my geforce4 mx and ti200 in there and see how farcry still runs :) **********
Tomb Raider: AOD
playstation2 game
ugh cant find info on system requirements for other games, lets wait till they are released as requirements can change. as for dx9, I already have dx9 installed :)
T-bird just upgrade man i mean come on not that much money. Just spend few extra bucks and get ATI9800 Pro b/c your gonna be in for a rude awakening in the new games. I dont do benchmarking really but what I do do is gamming and i think that your gonna need to be upgradeing REAL soon.
T-Bird...you know what I mean't about DX9....
You are rather pointless, but you do know that installing DX 9.0 does NOT give you full featured DX 9.0 setup.. You know that right?Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
ugh cant find info on system requirements for other games, lets wait till they are released as requirements can change. as for dx9, I already have dx9 installed :)
Tbird... you do realise that technology evolves exponentially?
The gap between generations of hardware is growing. So differences in requirements for computer software, and the hardware available to run that software, is shifting at a rapid rate.
I just hope you actually see what a 9800Pro (or equivalently good video card) can do in real life.. becuase at the moment you are being blatantly ignorant of the facts presented to you.
There is no point posting screens of games to you becuase you fob them off as being equivalent to that DX8 GPU you love so much. You ignore the fact that the difference between high details and 80fps is FAR superior to the medium details and 30 - 40 fps you run. That also includes the fact you get ZERO DX9 support (which Far Cry uses extensively)
For goodness sakes, get a grip on reality.
(btw, I don't care that you love the card so much, that's great. It's the fact that you have this wall in your mind that blocks out the fact that it is NOT as good as other cards available in this day and age. As for your BFYB - Bang for your Bucks - argument, it is void considering the Ti4200 doesn't have even half the 'bang' a 9800Pro does and is still rather pricey - in Aus anyway.)
I wont get the full dx9 features since my card doesnt support it on a hardware level, but I have yet to find anyone proving me any differences, if you can, please show me two screens and point out the differences. maybe in aus ti4200s are way overpriced, but here they are not! I at no point claim my ti4200 is equal to a 9800p, its about 2/3 as good. colossus gets 30fps while I get 15, but he also has a faster cpu as well. what do get, Vizer in 1600x1200 all details maxed? and I do run "very high" details in 1024x768!
Tbird... the reason you have not seen any proof of your Ti4200 lacking in detail is because you choose to ignore the link to opstars screens. I would post a pic of his screen with parts that your card renders poorly pointed out but that would be senseless as I would have to circle the whole screenshot!
A decent ti4200 is still around $250. 9600XT under $300 and 9800Pro around $600 AUD.
I had a leadtek ti4200 8x and a powercolor 9600XT here for awhile and played around a bit. I'd pay $50 more for the 9600XT. And that says a lot comming from me :)
and he won't believe me when I tell him he could hit 20k EASY with a 9800 pro. if you vmodded and tinkered and twinked and fiddled with that card as much as your beloved ti, we'd be talking even more than 20k! especially with that uber value ram you got that does 250, right? *cough
T-birdy, here's some benches for you to look at:Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
I wont get the full dx9 features since my card doesnt support it on a hardware level, but I have yet to find anyone proving me any differences, if you can, please show me two screens and point out the differences. maybe in aus ti4200s are way overpriced, but here they are not! I at no point claim my ti4200 is equal to a 9800p, its about 2/3 as good. colossus gets 30fps while I get 15, but he also has a faster cpu as well. what do get, Vizer in 1600x1200 all details maxed? and I do run "very high" details in 1024x768!
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphi...ournament_2003
As you can see, the Ti4200 is about 2x slower than the 9800 pro (in the games that aren't capped) - and that's with 1024x768 max details. Crank that up to 1600x1200 and the difference just grows. And you better not even try to use AA/AF on a Ti card, whereas with a radeon 9800 pro you can go up to 4x/4x without much of a performance hit.
I think that if you could turn on AA/AF, you would. The graphics are so much nicer with AA/AF on. :)
No. He'd never turn on AA or AF. He loves the more realistic feel of extremely jagged lines.
This is pointless. TBird refuses to accept that high quality on a directX8 card is different to that on a directX9 card when in a game inmplementing DX9 features. HL2 will be playable on a geforce2, in fact it will play on a TNT, because it scales itself. I remember seeing a table somewhere of which features would be available at which GPU level.
If YOU feel there is no noticable difference then cool. You're set then. The fact is though there IS a difference. Either that or the directx9 features are a myth. Is that what you're saying. That you don't believe in directx9. It's all a big lie?????
I can not speak for dx9 but id like someone to show me the difference with screenshots in games. I believe the 9800p is twice the speed of a ti4200 but I still have no need for insanely high fps which my eye can not see. farcry runs fine at 1024x768 all details maxed and ut2004 does at 1600x1200 maxed out! about 40fps in both cases. oh and I set my fsb to 133, got 16fps in farcry. set fsb to 200 and my fps jumped to 24. talk about a linear scale, cause im gaining in both fsb and cpu and this just proves me how cpu intensive games are!
Well, considering I have tweaked the game so that it will reflect everything off the water (rather than the sky) the trees never turn into sprites and many other LOD settings I get 17fps at 1600x1200 (that's about average... although, I'm more inclined to say 20fps... especially when you get into the jungle.Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz what do get, Vizer in 1600x1200 all details maxed?
I'm going to uninstall and reinstall the Far Cry demo to get rid of all the tweaks I made to the game.
Also, I don't overclock the Vid Card. If I do, then I will gain a bit there too.
GB_Cobber - got my 9800P for $550. There are some that are down around the $480 mark now. Ti4200's are in the mid to high 200's.
You can't distinguish the difference between 35fps and 60? wow...Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
I believe the 9800p is twice the speed of a ti4200 but I still have no need for insanely high fps which my eye can not see.