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Dude its not about points! :)Quote:
Originally posted by RealBeast
I sent a complaint to Pande Group the other day about the value of Tinkers being way too low for how long they take. I just got a reply that they are aware of this and will fix this problem pretty soon.
Well, if uping the points on Tinkers, stops people from complaining about them, I`m all for it.Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
Dude its not about points! :)
It's not just the points! Tinkers seem to be more of a system problem/poorly writen code. I had a system go feet up last night, so I take a look and the CPU is over heating 20 seconds after boot. Fan is good bios settings are good, everything looks good. So I swap in a 2600+ , boot up and get the same problem in about a minute. Then I kill off F@H from the start up apps and the problem is gone. I resatart F@H and the problem is back. I look at the log, and it has done the first 50few steps at 4min and seconds and has been stuck on the current step for over 11 hours. I wipe it all out and get a new core, every thing is fine. I put the 3000+ back in and all seems fine. I run some diags past it and find that the chip is generating errors like mad. Heat damage I guess.
I`ve never had a problem with a Tinker doing that, the only problem I had with them is that they took longer to do then the Gromacs, as a matter of fact the only WU`s I`ve had a problem with were Gromacs, but like I said before there are some bad WU`s that pop up every now and then that creates all sorts of problems, even corrupting cores. BTW, I`ve been wondering how the WU`s are generated or created so to speak.Quote:
Originally posted by Thermo
It's not just the points! Tinkers seem to be more of a system problem/poorly writen code. I had a system go feet up last night, so I take a look and the CPU is over heating 20 seconds after boot. Fan is good bios settings are good, everything looks good. So I swap in a 2600+ , boot up and get the same problem in about a minute. Then I kill off F@H from the start up apps and the problem is gone. I resatart F@H and the problem is back. I look at the log, and it has done the first 50few steps at 4min and seconds and has been stuck on the current step for over 11 hours. I wipe it all out and get a new core, every thing is fine. I put the 3000+ back in and all seems fine. I run some diags past it and find that the chip is generating errors like mad. Heat damage I guess.
My production has been way way slow lately, and still is, I only have 1 rig folding right now because I just moved last weekend. Once I get braodband and a router, i'll hook everything back up! :)
yes, but your disk will power up a few times an hour (it seems) for folding to write data to the log file. iow, it's probably better to leave the disks on rather than have them spinning up and down all the time.Quote:
Originally posted by raider1v1
if my hdds are turned to spin down will i still fold?
it is too about the points! :p j/k (well, it is partly :))
i'm beginning to think the entire FAH WU code is suspect. when i did SETI for a few months a year or so ago, it never had all these weird problems and anomolies. along with you and the others who've mentioned it, i'm seriously considering dropping folding on my computers, as i don't want to damage them by hinky FAH code. FAH seems to stress the CPU in weird, even unnatural ways (if that's possible :p).Quote:
Originally posted by Thermo
It's not just the points! Tinkers seem to be more of a system problem/poorly writen code. I had a system go feet up last night, so I take a look and the CPU is over heating 20 seconds after boot. Fan is good bios settings are good, everything looks good. So I swap in a 2600+ , boot up and get the same problem in about a minute. Then I kill off F@H from the start up apps and the problem is gone. I resatart F@H and the problem is back. I look at the log, and it has done the first 50few steps at 4min and seconds and has been stuck on the current step for over 11 hours. I wipe it all out and get a new core, every thing is fine. I put the 3000+ back in and all seems fine. I run some diags past it and find that the chip is generating errors like mad. Heat damage I guess.
So, you get a few Tinkers and now you want to stop folding, I wonder how you would feel if they doubled the points for the Tinkers. :) BTW, nothing has gone wrong with your computers sofar and look how long you have been folding.;)Quote:
Originally posted by serotone9
i'm beginning to think the entire FAH WU code is suspect. when i did SETI for a few months a year or so ago, it never had all these weird problems and anomolies. along with you and the others who've mentioned it, i'm seriously considering dropping folding on my computers, as i don't want to damage them by hinky FAH code. FAH seems to stress the CPU in weird, even unnatural ways (if that's possible :p).
omg...pctech.gr just exploded...i don't think we can catch them anymore...:eek: :eek: ..they were green a couple days ago, now they're orange and rising.:eek: :(
If you have not noticed we have that affect on almost every team we are getting close too.:) Also, I want to clarify why I have stopped folding for a while, I have just recently found out how bad the wiring is in this old place I live and the only way to fix it is to do a complete rewiring of the place or move.:(Quote:
Originally posted by speedyaxon
omg...pctech.gr just exploded...i don't think we can catch them anymore...:eek: :eek: ..they were green a couple days ago, now they're orange and rising.:eek: :(
Almost all of my folders are either P4s with HT or newer Xeon's and I don't have any of the problems you guys speak of.
Don't know but maybe it's mostly AMD related?
(Hides from the flames of the AMD lovers:D )
i've not had any problems like that...my only problem is it won't connect about 60% of the time recently to find a new wu until at least 4 hours later.:(
Of course it's not, but I hear lots of people complaining about Tinkers and even deleting them -- which is totally weak. I won't bore you with the details, but my complaint was that they need to do something to stop people from deleting Tinkers.Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
Dude its not about points! :)
I've never deleted one, and please don't lecture me about folding (at least until you pass me). You've got more computers than I do, but I fold on every one I get my hands on.
All of my Intel systems fold fine, the only intel problem I have is that the backups wont run on auto. F@H wont shut down :mad: So I have a 2gig Woody and a 933 not folding on the DC's and the dual 500 Xeon is not folding, it the file server for backups, profiles and home folders. I keep all of my drive immages there too. My old 2100's don't seem to have any problems either. It's just the 3000+'s and the Hammer.Quote:
Originally posted by vertices
Almost all of my folders are either P4s with HT or newer Xeon's and I don't have any of the problems you guys speak of.
Don't know but maybe it's mostly AMD related?
(Hides from the flames of the AMD lovers:D )
Chill guys ;) All folders are welcome and there is no minimum output required. Some of us just don't have time to baby sit a bunch of systems. And with F@H pushing tinkers and buggy work units, the AMD systems need attention several times a day. I suppport almost 1000 systems between my two jobs, and a lot of days I just don't have time for the ones at home. Add to that all of the PITA's opening email attachments and my days are running 18/7 for the last week or so. With that said, the stuff at home is all back on cruise controll, and if folding whacks up, that system gets the plug pulled for the time being.Quote:
Originally posted by RealBeast
Of course it's not, but I hear lots of people complaining about Tinkers and even deleting them -- which is totally weak. I won't bore you with the details, but my complaint was that they need to do something to stop people from deleting Tinkers.
I've never deleted one, and please don't lecture me about folding (at least until you pass me). You've got more computers than I do, but I fold on every one I get my hands on.
I would like to add that when I was thrashing seti units, I never had all of these issues. The only problem was when we used up all of the bandwidth to their servers. I could crunch seti for a month and never even bother to look at a log file.
so does anyone have any idea why just about everyday, i get this "attempting to get work packet" message for at least 4 hours most of the time before it actually gets one. I mean, the downtime is killing me here.:(
Yeah these tinkers are insane seems like a lot of peoples production has been cut in half since they have started pushing them out I know mine has. I personally don't care about the tinkers ,but the point system is a good way to get people to fold for whatever reason.
And even if they are folding just for points and to gain ranks on there team at least they are folding.
I think that it would be in stanfords best interest to make the tinkers points reflect the time it takes to do it. It is not like they are handing out money. I say if that is all it takes to keep people folding do it....
I'm still around, but I have been hit hard by work and school. Hopefully I can update the milestones page in a few days. Saps probably won't be around for a bit longer, but he said he will come back.Quote:
Originally posted by Daywalker
Seems like the team is falling apart now - where are Saps and Mystif? The troops need a morale booster before we all quit. Watching Thermo in the red is all that's interesting right now.
Who's giving up?
Not I. :cool:
How did you find out about the wiring? And what about it made you stop folding? Just curious and all. :)Quote:
Originally posted by lonewolfroger
I have just recently found out how bad the wiring is in this old place I live and the only way to fix it is to do a complete rewiring of the place or move.:(
I just have a temperary slow down, i'll be back up to full production once I get broadband in my new house. I only have 1 rig folding right now. :(Quote:
Originally posted by V5500-StillGoing
Who's giving up?
Not I. :cool:
I will definately not give up on sharkys for a long time!
I had a eletricion friend of mine check it out because I was having problems with my second computer and he found that whoever wired the house done a bad job of it, everything in the house is run off of 2 20amp breakers, except for the electric water heater. Also the wire insulation is hard and cracks are showing the bare wire and also where rats have chew into it. So I had him put in a new breaker box and repair the wire the best he could. But he told me I would have to not put too much of a load on them or they could heat up and catch the place on fire. :( This place was built in the mid 60`s.Quote:
Originally posted by |_053|2
How did you find out about the wiring? And what about it made you stop folding? Just curious and all. :)
ouch man, sounds like you really need to rewire the place or just move or something. I haven't had any problems with wiring since i've never been in a house more than 20 years old. The one i'm in now is just a few months old! :eek:Quote:
Originally posted by lonewolfroger
I had a eletricion friend of mine check it out because I was having problems with my second computer and he found that whoever wired the house done a bad job of it, everything in the house is run off of 2 20amp breakers, except for the electric water heater. Also the wire insulation is hard and cracks are showing the bare wire and also where rats have chew into it. So I had him put in a new breaker box and repair the wire the best he could. But he told me I would have to not put too much of a load on them or they could heat up and catch the place on fire. :( This place was built in the mid 60`s.
And my mom's boyfriend is an electrician so he could fix any problems we would have anyways.
The only thing is that for me to move to a place I can afford, I would not be able to get cable internet and I don`t want to go back to 56K dial up, so I am thinking of either getting the wiring done a little at a time or finally give in and get one of these credit cards that I seem to get about 40 offers for in the mail each week and have it all done at one time. I did go out and buy a good fire extinguisher. BTW, good job everybody we are now ranked at #60.Quote:
Originally posted by |_053|2
ouch man, sounds like you really need to rewire the place or just move or something. I haven't had any problems with wiring since i've never been in a house more than 20 years old. The one i'm in now is just a few months old! :eek:
And my mom's boyfriend is an electrician so he could fix any problems we would have anyways.
good luck with the wiring! i'm looking forward to seeing you fold again! conquer on!