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09-13-2007, 12:57 PM
r'aggro

I think it's dishonorable and clever at the same time.

But why use it in game 1 vs the Jets? NE is for sure going to be a contender this year, so why run the risk of being caught?
09-13-2007, 01:01 PM
fastitocalon

I feel bad for the players, If this does come out as true I bet most of the players had no idea about it. They are still working their asses off and will be tarnished over something they had no control over.
09-13-2007, 01:18 PM
Spank_Me_Hard

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Originally Posted by r'aggro

I think it's dishonorable and clever at the same time.

But why use it in game 1 vs the Jets? NE is for sure going to be a contender this year, so why run the risk of being caught?

Because I think that if done right... it'd be almost impossible to catch. Not too sure exactly how (or even *if*) NE got busted.
09-13-2007, 01:26 PM
Spank_Me_Hard

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Originally Posted by md1198p

What really sucks is there is no way to know. You cannot just replay those games. If it was a widespread thing they where doing, it would have a huge effect on the way the game played out. It could help every phase of the game, from there O-lineman knowing where the blitz was coming from, QB knowing who had single coverage, backs knowing who to pick up in blitzes, and receivers knowing who had what zone and being able to set up in the soft spots. And thats just assuming it was the defensive calls they where spying on.
They beat the Rams in the superbowl by a last second field goal, and only won by 3 against Philly. It would have only taked a little help to have made a difference in both those games.
They always did look better after halftime in their tough games. The homer in me seems to remember that in the 2004 game against Philly, they had a tough time in the first half moving the ball, but scored like 3-4 times in a row after halftime...hhhmmmm...

Yea. I agree. Nobody knows the extend to how much this has played into NE's success.

If it's as extensive as you alluded that it can be... I daresay that the team with the worst talent and coaching in the league could easily beat the best team in the league if they were experts at cheating. I mean... it'd be easy if you think about it.

There are obvious things which are allowed in the NFL... coaches analyzing film or photos in the coaching booths as to what the other team is doing. Filem that gets watched every week as to teams tendencies and bread and butter plays.

But decrypting the plays that the coaches are calling in realtime? Wow.

And with the tecnology available today... you could conceivably have an anonymous "fan" up in the nosebleed seats... who are expert lip readers... with a pair of binoculars watching the opposing coaches... and an open communication line to your own coaches (bluetooth cell... walkie talkie... whatever) telling them what the opponent is calling for plays. Then having the coach comminicating the proper play to the players on the field... who probably have no idea that their play has been dialed in to the opponents play selection.

And how would you be able to catch that exactly? I think that it'd be near impossible.
09-13-2007, 08:59 PM
gkline

I think the damage is already done. Belechik's statement in the nature of a half baked apology sure doesn't clear it up.
09-13-2007, 09:03 PM
Boneycat

Well, belecheat just got fined $500k and the pat's $250k as well as losing the 1st round draft if they make the playoffs and 2nd and 3rd round if they don't make the playoffs. story here
09-14-2007, 07:47 AM
spamjedi

the punishment struck me as sever at first, but after thinking about it a bit, I wonder if it is enough. I wonder if he should have been suspended for a few weeks.
09-14-2007, 08:51 AM
gkline

The real punishment in my mind is the the view by the general public that the Patriots have the stigma of sharing Barry Bond's asterick with him!:eek:
09-14-2007, 08:51 AM
md1198p

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Originally Posted by spamjedi

the punishment struck me as sever at first, but after thinking about it a bit, I wonder if it is enough. I wonder if he should have been suspended for a few weeks.

I think what they did, with a 4 week suspension, would have been perfect.
09-14-2007, 09:27 AM
spamjedi

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Originally Posted by md1198p

I think what they did, with a 4 week suspension, would have been perfect.

I'm starting to really agree with that. I think he should have been suspended.
09-14-2007, 09:48 AM
Boneycat

Well, if cheating was to happen at almost ANY OTHER level, the game would of be forfeited. They should've been handed a loss.
09-14-2007, 11:36 AM
r'aggro

I wonder how many teams do this kind of thing regularly.
09-14-2007, 03:26 PM
fastitocalon

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Originally Posted by r'aggro

I wonder how many teams do this kind of thing regularly.

Probably a lot, I still don't understand how with today's technology they managed to get caught.
09-14-2007, 04:17 PM
fastitocalon

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Originally Posted by fastitocalon

I say indy is the team to beat regardless of who is on their team as long as they have Peyton. He got the monkey off his back, I expect a good 3 SB victorys in the next 5 years from Indy.

I would just like to quote myself after week 1 and what Indy did to NO lol.
09-14-2007, 04:18 PM
Boneycat

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Originally Posted by fastitocalon

Probably a lot, I still don't understand how with today's technology they managed to get caught.

I do. It's called being "cocky".
09-16-2007, 04:12 PM
Idiot356

Lol the Bucs just made the Saint's look like a high school team.

w00t!
09-16-2007, 04:13 PM
monroeski

Last time I checked, Cincinnati was leading Cleveland 14 to 13.

Now I see the final - Cleveland 51, Cincinnati 45. :eek:

Also - New Orleans got dealt with again. Welcome back to earth, guys.

Favre now has more wins than any QB in history.
09-16-2007, 04:14 PM
Boneycat

Titans almost pulled a huge upset. Not sure if they looked good or if Indy just looked flat as I only watched bits and pieces of it.
09-16-2007, 04:46 PM
monroeski

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Originally Posted by Boneycat

Titans almost pulled a huge upset. Not sure if they looked good or if Indy just looked flat as I only watched bits and pieces of it.

I watched most of the first half. Seemed like both sides were doing pretty well on offense, but Indy kept getting TDs while the Titans kept making field goals. Even the announcers commented on it. I guess in the second half Tennessee stepped it up and got in the end zone a bit. Neither side really looked flat from what I saw. I believe Indy has historically had problems with Vince Young, though.
09-16-2007, 05:41 PM
r'aggro

Did I just hear that Kitna got a concussion? It just never ends for Lions fans. I want to see Detroit have a good year.
09-16-2007, 05:55 PM
Spaceman Spiff

Niners are 2-0! Who'd thunk it!:) :)

Although their past 2 wins have been pretty sloppy.
09-16-2007, 06:09 PM
kpxgq

Quote:

Originally Posted by r'aggro

I think it's dishonorable and clever at the same time.

But why use it in game 1 vs the Jets? NE is for sure going to be a contender this year, so why run the risk of being caught?

i personally dont think thats the whole picture.. i bet all the teams do this... pats just got caught

whoever gets caught is the big loser

look at michael vick... im sure there are other nfl players who have done FAR worse things, yet they havent gotten caught, but vick did, so hes in the spotlight
09-16-2007, 07:09 PM
r'aggro

jesus christ, seattle just lost a sure thing by bungling a ****ing HANDOFF.
09-16-2007, 08:41 PM
fastitocalon

Lions 2-0 baby!

Man our offense is fun to watch, who knows what the hell is gonna happen with them. Hopefully more td's and less int's in the red zone :o
09-17-2007, 12:00 AM
monroeski

Does it seem to anyone else that there has been a lot more offense this year than in other recent years?

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