And Pitt beat the physical crap out of Indy.
Read what the Indy players said.
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Originally Posted by proxemo666
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And Pitt beat the physical crap out of Indy.
Read what the Indy players said.
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Originally Posted by proxemo666
K...read the interview...Berger still made a playoff saving tackle.Quote:
Originally Posted by gkline
I'm not saying Indy was more physical...It's obvious they weren't. My point is that if Berger did not make that tackle, THE STEELERS WOULD HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN IN THE SUPERBOWL. Plain and simple. The steelers could have slapped them, punched them, bent them over backwards for the first 3 and 9/10 quarters. If Berger did not make that tackle, Indy would be up, thus sending the steelers home.
Ask anyone who saw the game what won it for the steelers. 9.99 out of 10 will say that tackle by Berger.
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Originally Posted by rabidmoose171
True but with cower breathing down your neck, I don't think the RB's would drop another ball. That dude's stare would make me jump off a bridge.
The thing is, though, that you can't realistically bring the whole game down to one play. Yes, that guy that recovered the fumble was a moron for cutting back to where Roethlisberger could tackle him. However, to present just one example of another game changing play, if the refs hadn't screwed up on Polamalu's interception, even AFTER the review, the game wouldn't have even been in the same situation as it was when Bettis fumbled.Quote:
Originally Posted by proxemo666
There are a thousand points of chance that can go either way, and somehow the majority of them broke just right for the Steelers last year.
A couple of other points -
Miami did not cause a fumble on the previous goal line stand. That was all on Batch for just fumbling the snap. This goes straight under my point above; if Batch hadn't fumbled, and Pitt had scored, the play calls for the entire rest of the game would have changed, and maybe Culpepper doesn't have those two interceptions. Thousands of different possible outcomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by rabidmoose171
I forget who it was, but there was somebody who had a quote that basically went "Quarterbacks lose more games for their team than they win." The deal with Roethlisberger, much like Tom Brady, is that he does not lose games for his team; he plays mostly mistake free, and that is a rare attribute. It isn't that he is a catalyst for the offense, it is that he is a steady presence. I think that is more important than the "game winners," such as Peyton Manning or Vick (who was better under Reeves, who built an offense around him, than he is under the current coach, who is trying to force him into an offense that he isn't suited for).Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
Many writers are picking Indy to go all the way. I'm not convinced. You lose E James and Vanderjack the same year. HMMM. Steelers lose Bettis who was at the end of his career and Kimo that was at the end of his. I'm not sold on Peyton Manning either. Something tells me always the bridesmaid never the bride.
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Originally Posted by monroeski
I like the point you're making here about steady QB's, I'm just not convinced Roethlisberger gets on that list. I don't think he sucks or anything, but he had nothing to do with the SB win (played like crap, in fact) and is way overexposed by the media.
CU v. CSU today. O God denver is going to be a massive mess tonight.
That I can agree with.Quote:
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Originally Posted by gkline
I agree with you there. They lost too much. AFC will come down to SD, Pitt, Cincin. Maybe NE if they stay healthy.
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Originally Posted by monroeski
I dont see why you cant bring the game down to one play when in fact it did came down to one play. Like I explained in the other post. What happened the first 3 and 9/10 quarters does not matter. You got to put the past behind you. Coaches say this, players say this. It comes down to the last big play. Sure the refs would have changed the outcome of the game if they changed the call, but you are going on probability more than fact. It is a fact that Berger was the last man back and he did make the game saving tackle. I dont know how you guys not see this.
True, he did make a game saving tackle. However, if they had given Polamalu the interception he made with 5 minutes left rather than call it incomplete, Indy would not have continued that drive and scored a touchdown. That TD (plus the two point conversion) made the score 21-18. With the pick, maybe the Steelers would have scored again instead, and made the score 28-10. They would probably have at least gotten a field goal, as the interception was made at midfield so they had great field position. The entire rest of the game would have changed. The play calling would have been different. I wasn't trying to argue and say that the play wasn't big, I'm just saying that the entire game can't be condensed into one play.Quote:
Originally Posted by proxemo666
Going back to the other post -
You tell us not to use probabilities, but you are using your own assumptions right here. You can't say that the Steelers wouldn't have scored again if Harper had taken the pick the distance. You can't really even say with absolute certainty that Harper would have scored; maybe he would have had a random fumble like that guy from Georgia last weekend. He was tackled on the 42; that means there was still about 60 yards of field to go during which something else could have happened. Harper had a cut on his knee from a knife just from the day before; that could have slowed him enough that someone else could have caught him.Quote:
Originally Posted by proxemo666
Heck, after Roethlisberger's tackle, the Colts still had a 5 play drive, with two completions, two incompletions, and a missed field goal. I don't recall the exact plays, but maybe a Steelers DB batted down one of those passes that may have scored a TD and put Indy up with even less time left for the Steelers to score. Maybe an Indy OL had a great block that prevented a sack on one of those completions. The point is, a lot of things happened after the tackle that could have changed the outcome. You can't say that without the tackle the Steelers would not have won. Their chances would have taken a huge hit, true, but you can't say anything with total certainty.
It was only a "game saving" tackle because the colts failed to score on their drive. By your own rationale, the first 3 and 19/20ths of the game, including Ben's tackle, don't matter if Indy had scored a TD on their last drive. Then it would have gone from "game saving" to a "valiant but futile effort" (or whatever the media would choose to call it :D).
Even with probabilities aside, you say it comes down to the last big play; are you saying that the Vanderjagt shank wasn't a big play?
The fun thing about being a football fan is we all are always right! :D ;)
I know this is an NFL thread, so this is kind of OT, but I am a big Texas Tech fan, and the game against UTEP tonight just about gave me a heart attack. Shouldn't have been remotely that close, but hey, a W is a W.
Being from Tampa, living here, and around here my entire live. The Bucs were a laughing stock until Tony Dungy showed up. And we've managed to make the playoffs multple times. And we won a super bowl, something my grandfather who died the year they won, would tell me they never would achieve. But that was the year without Dungy.
I wan't Dungy and the Colts to get the superbowl, almost as much as I wan't my Bucs to win another Super Bowl. Dungy is a great coach, and I think more than any other coach in the NFL he deserves a Super Bowl RING!
I love Coach Dungy, and the community around here loves him to.
Tony Dungy was a solid player for the Steelers. Always liked him.
Finally, the real opening day!! Good luck everyone, and have fun watching my team smash everything in it's path. First stop: Detroit, the scene of the crime! ;)
I wish they carried the Ravens games on TV here. They're steamrolling Tampa Bay, apparently.