Thats what I was trying to get at, instead of keeping all the starters in, and going for it on 4th down, when they could have just settled for 2 field goals in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Thats what I was trying to get at, instead of keeping all the starters in, and going for it on 4th down, when they could have just settled for 2 field goals in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Two things:Quote:
Originally Posted by ksuohio
1) You could also see running up the score as an intimidation factor that would scare future teams. They might play nervously knowing the last few teams lost by over 30 points. It may anger some players/teams, it may intimidate others or at least creep into their subconscious. I don't think it's a clear pro or con.
2) As for the rareness of a 30+ point comeback, I agree, the odds are ridiculously small. However, when there are literally millions of dollars on the line, given the amount of money the NFL brings in, for any game, it's simply not worth the risk. Granted, that doesn't apply if you're up by 35 with 5 minutes left and decide to go for it on 4th down (making up an example), but I think most of the time teams err on the side of maybe running the score up a little just to be safe.
All this being said, I think it's a little slimy that the Pats run up the score so much. It doesn't seem necessary or worth the risks. On the other hand, I also thought the negative press they got in the beginning of the year was over the top as well. There are a lot of different views you could take with this one. Hell of a lot of fun to watch, unless you're rooting for the opponent...
Because you didn't quote the header like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Mindwarper
so I missed it when I was scrolling through. I added you to the results post, you got 6 so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi
I'm starting to agree with this. At first I didn't like it, but you know what? If people want to put an asterix by their achievements because of the video tape stuff, I can't blame them for steam rolling everyone to make the point that it may not have had a large effect on what they've accomplished.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
I mean going for it on 4th down when you're already up 20+ points late in the game is kind of over kill, but hey, if you don't like it, stop 'em.
I agree with this and would also like to point out that these guys are millionaires. They are professional athletes who get paid obscene amounts of money. I would gladly get rolled by 100 every game and go 0-16 for the league minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi
I don't care if they want to run up the score. If you could dominate a team like they have been doing who wouldn't enjoy doing it. Obviously NE enjoys doing it.
The only issue is that they might end up getting one of their playmakers hurt when they have a 4 td lead.
I think that they are trying to prove that they are without a doubt the best team of all time.
NE goes undefeated, INDY's only shot was at home and they went off half cocked and left harrison on the bench... after docs and harrison said he was good to go, now they have to face NE in NE...yeah, go armwrestle the devil in his house and see how it works out.... INDY FTL
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Originally Posted by rabidmoose171
tell me dude, is it true that if you're gonna play in texas you gotta have a fiddle in the band?
It kinda sucks that the result of the 'Bowl this year is already a forgone conclusion. The Vegas line on the Bowl starts with spotting Dallas 15 points against NE, and gets worse from there.
I'm not scared of a playoff matchup against any nfc team. Well, maybe a little scared of playing in Lambeau.;) But it really doesn't matter whether Seattle gets to Arizona or not, or Dallas, Detroit, GB or TB or NYG. Any one of us is going to get pummeled, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
NE is the yankees of football.... sorta, only they don't just throw money at big names, but they get the big names because the big names want a championship and will take a big pay cut to get one.
That's a gross distortion. The patriots work within a very rigid salary cap structure. Sure Moss took a discount to play for the patriots, but if you look, there aren't a lot of players that will get a ton of money on the open market. Their leading rusher through the first 7 games was sammy morris, who few people took an interest in when he was a free agent. I think it is more that the Pat's have been very, very prudent in how they spend their money and how they draft. The cornerstone of the team, brady, was a 6th round draft pick. I think it is more about the coaching and the system than standout talents playing for less. Moss is a big exception, but wes welker wasn't exactly a hot commodity (the pats traded for him) and stallworth didn't take a pay cut to get to NE.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
I just realized that the Patriots have the 49er's first round pick this year. That means they're potentially sitting on a top 3 pick in the draft. :eek:
Especially since they're going to have to give up their own first round pick or something due to that hoopla at the beginning of the year.
harbinger, moss took a pay cut to get a ring.... they sign a lot of big names, adelius thomas, junior seau, rodney harrison, stallworth (after philly), welker was an in demand return guy and after his pass catching skills were showcased in miami he became in demand as a slot guy.... they do an awesome job of grabbing talent, their front office is the best in the business...
Until this year, though, they didn't really sign any big names that anyone else wanted to bother with (where the heck else would Seau have gone?), except maybe Harrison. Moss, Thomas, Stallworth, and Welker were all this year, and Seau was "washed up" at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
I don't remember this, how the hell did it happen? That's for sure going to be a top five pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by monroeski
49ers traded up with them last year to get Joe Staley. It was the Pat's second first rounder in the 2007 draft, having got one from the Seahawks for Deion Branch, so they still had a first rounder last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
This year, they break the rules on the camera thing and lose their official pick, but since they still had the 49er's pick from last year, they're in the top 5. Personally, I see them probably trading down and picking up more stuff for the 2009 draft, since they don't really have any glaring needs right now.
The Pats freaking own the draft lately, it's like they can do whatever they want.
Unreal. As of today, the pats would get the #2 overall.
Glaring needs or not, there are some monster OT's in this draft--I'd take Jake Long with that #2 and laugh all the way to the bank.
My point is that other than moss, those guys didn't take big pay cuts. They traded for welker, remember. And this is seau's second season with the pats after he quasi-retired when his contract was up with SD. I don't think they or many if any other teams were interested in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
And the 49er's pick could make this team even more nuts. Hopefully they can grab a stud linebacker or safety replace some of the aging defensive veterans (harrison, bruschi, vrabel...). On the whole though, this team should be a beast for a while given brady's durability and their outstanding offensive and defensive lines. Keep in mind they were missing pro-bowler seymour, one of their best players, for the first 6 weeks. wow.
I love Wikipedia. I just looked up Jake Long:Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
"Jake Long was utterly dominated by Vernon Gholston during the Ohio State Michigan Game on November 17th, 2007. Going into the game he was considered a probable top 5 pick, but after his embarassing domination by Defensive End Vernon Gholston that top five status is highly questionable."
Or a stud RB? Their offense would be sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harbinger
But the Pats are the smartest team in football. I could see them trading down and accumulating more picks.
They don't seem to go nuts over top free agents/picks.
lol, I dont remember him being dominated. He got beat once for his first sack surrendered this year I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
I'll try and get the Pick 'Em up tomorrow, but if I can't... sorry. Busy at the office and flying out EARLY Thursday morning with my 2 month old daughter.
Yeah, you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi
It was Mike Hart that was dominated.:D :D
Although Gholston made that entire Michigan O look woeful.
A-ha! the weakness of wiki exposed.
Seriously though, there are a few Boselli-sized tackles in this draft. I'd be all over one of them or a future franchise D-lineman with that high pick.
I think Maroney will be a solid RB. He won't be the next barry sanders, but RB's are so hit or miss I think they would be better served looking long term and solidifying the D. I think the offense is doing enough to get by for now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard