just a question..do u guys have a national team for each state? or do some states not bother with it?
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just a question..do u guys have a national team for each state? or do some states not bother with it?
Just goes by whether or not a given location can financially support a team. Not all states have a team, many states have several. Heck, New York state has three teams (New York Jets, New York Giants, and Buffalo Bills), and two of them (NYG and NYJ) even play in the same stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by ant19
oh right thanks. i know a bit about american baseball (they show it over here) but nothing about the NFL apart from the Packers...
I have no problem with Shell. Only Walsh's tied old offense playbook. And I think Ryan has gotten better. He has scrapped the 3/4 and uses scemes that suit the players. He is starting to look good. I liked Breshnan better. But the D is looking good. We just need a modern offensive cordinator.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
I actually want Porter back on the field. I like Walter. Seemed to make some good decisions. Seems to get better. Good arm with a very quick delivery.
The 49ers are the next best team that the Raiders might win against. So I'm hoping.
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Originally Posted by fastitocalon
Seriously, thats a real stupid thing to say.
I don't think 5 games is enough either, but oh well. Personaly i think it should be taken to court. No matter what you guys were saying about romo throwing a punch, and this guy using his foot. There is a huge difference in the eyes of the law. A punch is no where near severe as kicking someone. A Kick can be considered assualt with a deadly weapon, while punching is just aggravated assualt.
The cleats are what really kicks it into being a worse offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by rabidmoose171
I did not that mean for that to be a pun, but now that it's there, I think it's utterly hilarious.
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Originally Posted by monroeski
heh.
Yea thats just adding on, feet is already deadly weapon, cleats are even more-so.
I wonder why this isnt taken into the hands of the law.
Mcnabb is superman.
Also, considering the fact that he first removed his helmet, then stomped him, you could make a case it has premeditated.Quote:
Originally Posted by rabidmoose171
I think premeditated needs to have a lot more forethought, this would still be spur of the moment. If he had been walking around for a week saying he was going to do it, that would be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
I could care less if it's the longest suspension for an on field incident in league history - that right there shows you that the league disciplines no one.
the guy stomped on someone's face and they had to get 30 stitches, THIRTY STITCHES! Gurode is thinking about pressing charges, regardless they guy should have been arrested, that is more than assault... that ranks right up there with the NBA/Fan brawl, maybe worse... should have been a season long suspension without pay, looks like Fisher and the titans plan to do nothing else to the guy - and no it wasn't going to be based on what the NFL did, he said he would be punished regardless of what the NFL did - so the titans would be punishing him no matter what the NFL did - where is the punishment? having the guy on the field is more important than looking like a stand up guy - again, I hope fisher's family dies in a horrible fiery car crash - O'Doyle rules.
I've never seen anything official that says he is thinking about pressing charges, there have just been people saying that he probably could. Also, I don't think a guy kicking another player and severall teammates running into the stands and assaulting fans aren't even close to being the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
Anyway, after the game Haynesworth came out saying that this kind of thing is not in his character; since then, word has come out of a ticket he got for road rage recently, and I just saw a video from a 2003 practice where he kicked a teammate in the chest. This guy is starting to look REALLY bad right now.
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Originally Posted by vairox
Fisher said that if the NFL punishment wasnt enough in his mind, then the organization would take action. Again, you are just sounding like an *** when you with harm to his family, what did they do?
What he did was terrible and if he has any kind of conscience then that should be punishment enough plus whatever the team decides to do. I can't believe you hoped for his family to die because no one should wish that.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
I agree with you, right up until you said his family needs to die in a horrible car crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
Come on man, that's just emotion talking... how can you wan't his kids and wife to die in a car accident, they have nothing to do with this.
I think any thug bastard who does this crap in the NFL, should be in Jail also, but don't bring his (Jeff Fishers family into this!)
Fisher is a liar, he said that the Titans organization would punish him regardless of what the NFL did, that means - now read carefully - that the Titans would punish him no matter what the NFL did, so in addition.
He didn't hold up his word, he deserves whatever comes his way - I'm tired of coaches and teams protecting criminals.... yeah he deserves something really, really bad for being a POS, you don't like it? too bad, thats my opinion... 5 games is nothing, football is JUST A GAME, this guy could spend up to 6 years in prison in some states for that and everyone brushes it aside because it happened in a football game.
I suppose an on the field homicide would warrant a 7 game suspension.
I said that about his family because it worse than if it happened to him, I'd rather the guy live in agony.... seriously, look at the Titans, now you know why they have the crappy team they do! their record speaks for itself. Nice coaching there Fisher.... you Coach like you hold your word.
not only that but why does he need to wait for the NFL to hand down punishment? did the guy do wrong? then punish the guy why wait for someone else to tell you it's ok? the guy is pathetic, terrible head coach "oh lets see what they do first, then we will decide if it's bad enough to punish him some more".... you do or you don't, the guy coaches like a politician runs a campaign, next he will use exit polling to see how he should write up next weeks game plan.
The guy definitely should have been suspended for the season and lose the rest of his salary. He also should have criminal charges brought against him. On espn I saw that during a practice they had on camera a few years ago, he kicked an offensive lineman in the chest after a play. So this isn't the first time he did something.
Find a link that has that in it, because I don't recall ever hearing it. I remember him saying that if the punishment wasn't bad enough, he would add on, not that he would add on no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
Except when it is your entire career and missing out on about a third of the season means you're losing MILLIONS of dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
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Actually, he's losing out on $190,000. Man, he's underpaid for a guy that has started since his rookie year.
You say it like the guy is a normal person who's going to miss 1/3rd of work. Sure he's going to lose money, but it's not like he's scraping to get by. He'll just have to wait a little longer to buy his next 7 series bmw. That kick is bs he should be gone for the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by monroeski
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Originally Posted by vairox
He already lives in agony. He is the coach of the titans.
Like Charles Barkley said once, sure they make a lot of money, but they spend a lot of money, too. A bigger paycheck means a bigger house payment, car payment, etc. He's not making millions of bucks a year anymore. Losing a third of his income could mean not being able to pay his likely sizeable debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by PriMaTe
I'm not trying to say he's barely making ends meet or anything, but just because he makes more money than the average person doesn't mean he just has wads of cash laying around and can afford to have a third of his income just disappear. Rich people get houses, cars, etc. repossessed all the time if they happen to have a sudden change in income. Chances are Haynesworth had a financial planner that just crapped his pants.
Also, I think people that say it's "just a game" have no freaking idea what these people go through. Working out for hours each day carrying around their equipment. Watching and studying film all the time. Getting bruises, sprains, etc. and just having to wrap it up and go back out there to get beat on by 300 pound linemen. If you lose or gain too much weight you get cut. If you take a day off from working out you get fined. If your freaking 40 time drops by a tenth of a second you end up losing out on heaps of money on your next contract.
I have known a few people that have been/are on NFL rosters and they all said that any desk job would be easier any day of the week.
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Looks like the Titans are looking to recoup about $323,529 of his signing bonus now. If it goes through, that's over half a million bucks he's out.
he said it at some conference, it was played on ESPN/NFL Network etc, he said the titans would be punishing him regardless - not if the NFL did punish him, by deductive reasoning (which seems to be lacking here) he would punish the guy no matter what the NFL did - i.e the nfl does nothing, he gets punished, the nfl does something, he gets punished - the nfl's action would have no bearing on what the titans did. Only it did.Quote:
I remember him saying that if the punishment wasn't bad enough, he would add on, not that he would add on no matter what.
rabidmoose - you're right, you are absolutely right.
1/3 of this guys salary may be a killer for him, chances are if he is irresponsible like this at work he is irresponsible like that with every other aspect of his life and his finances are probably pretty horrendous.
this is his preferred road rage tool - the f-650
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Nobody knows how long a player will last. He might make millions one season and when everything is said and done not have much at all left because a lot things can happen in a NFL game and/or outside of the game. He might not even last a year. As for incident the penalty would have been worse if he had a history or a previous incident before this, which I don't know if he did. You can look at Romo or even Rodman and see he received a harsher penalty because he had previous incidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by PriMaTe
good point you two, he definitely earned his punishment. I wanna see what happens when he comes back.
looks like they may punish him afterall and FOXsports reports that the Titans want part of his bonus back.... now something is being done, see the NFL doing something is one thing, but when your own team punishes you NOW IT HITS HOME... otherwise the team is perceived as accepting of the behavior if they don't step in and do something as well.
we will see if it happens.