Bo wasn't on the list.
The "measurement" was elusive... I don't think that Bo was well known for being a "scat back"... LOL!
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Bo wasn't on the list.
The "measurement" was elusive... I don't think that Bo was well known for being a "scat back"... LOL!
Bummer, they don't have last night's list on the website yet. It shows the 10 most elusive QB's.
Cunningham FTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
Tough call.
Cunningham was AMAZING.
But Steve Young cracked off some pretty hellacious runs... and Vick may just be the best yet.
Even Elway in his heyday was slipperier than a greased pig.
I honestly don't know... I'd say it's between Vick, Cunningham, and Young.
Vick is no doubt faster, but Cunningham got out of jams almost like Barry. The throw against the Giants when i think it was Pepper Johnson hit him, and his legs got pushed under him, and he got his arm down...knees did not touch, and he just popped up and winged a strike into the endzone is QB elusive 101 lol. Also the play from the endzone against buffalo escaping the safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
As a matter of fact...Mcnabb may be on there also. He seems to make a play out of nothing using his legs and ability to just not go down after being hit in almost every game. Troy Aikman himself called the monday night football play against dallas the best throw he had ever seen a qb make when he had the 14-15 second scramble and then threw the perfect deep pass.
Its funny, but I think you might be right about Young. Not what I think of as an agile QB but you're right he did get out of a lot of jams.
Carl Banks. I remember it well.Quote:
The throw against the Giants when i think it was Pepper Johnson hit him, and his legs got pushed under him, and he got his arm down...knees did not touch, and he just popped up and winged a strike into the endzone is QB elusive 101 lol.
Yea... that was just stupid.Quote:
Also the play from the endzone against buffalo escaping the safety.
Not just escaping the rush... but I remember some pretty crazy 50 yard runs for TDs as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi
And way too many 20 yard runs to mention.
Back in his prime, Young was an AMAZING runner.
Cunningham may have been the slipperiest (the number of guys who just slid right off him was stupid).
Vick is the fastest... and maybe the best running instincts.
I saw the list...i did not see the show however. Tarkenton was #1. I could kinda see that. But Dan Marino was like #6 or something. ***? The list losses all credibility right there. Elway was not even on it. Both Cunningham and Mcnabb are on it.
Well, Marino would never be confused with a "scrambler"... but he did have AMAZING presence in the pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
He would move JUST ENOUGH to side step a rush.
That and of course his amazing release time. Back in the day I remember reading an article where they evaluated how quick a QBs release was... from the time that he brought his arm up to pass to the time that the ball was released.
It was measured in frames per second. Most QBs were midway through double digit numbers. Marino's was a single digit number.
One cannot underestimate how important that is. A lot of safeties would key off first which way the QB was looking, and then when his arm finally came up to pass the ball. Safties would have even less time to react when Marino's arm came up to pass.
Not a scrambler, but as good of a pocket presence as there ever was in the game, and an incredible release. High velocity on the ball as well. All of what contributed to make him one of the best QBs ever.
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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
I agree with all of this. But the list was mobile QB's. That has nothing to do with release or velocity. And i do agree he was one of the best ever...but he was also as immobile as they come.
True enough.
Marino wasn't a "mobile" QB at all... in fact, I think that his career rushing stats are measured in inches.
where was jake plummer on the list? what the ? no jake plummer!
Ø Fran Tarkenton, Vikings and Giants: 1961-78 – Nicknamed “Fran the Scrambler,” Tarkenton rushed for 3,674 yards.
Ø Bobby Douglass, Bears, Chargers, Saints and Packers: 1969-78 – Rushed for then-NFL quarterback record 968 yards in 1972.
Ø Roger Staubach, Cowboys: 1969-79 – Dubbed “Roger the Dodger,” Staubach employed his scrambling skills to create more time to throw the football.
Ø Jim Zorn, Seahawks, Packers and Buccaneers: 1976-87 – Elusive within the confines of the “pocket.”
Ø John Elway, Broncos: 1983-98 – In 16 NFL seasons Elway notched 33 rushing touchdowns, including scoring runs in each of Denver’s Super Bowl wins.
Ø Steve Young, Buccaneers and 49ers: 1985-99 – Scored 43 rushing touchdowns and averaged 5.9 yards per carry in his 15-year career.
Ø Randall Cunningham, Eagles, Vikings, Cowboys and Ravens: 1985-95 & 1997-01 – Called the “Ultimate Weapon” by Sports Illustrated, Cunningham rushed for 4,928 yards (6.4 yards per carry) and 35 touchdowns in his career.
Ø Doug Flutie, Bears, Patriots, Bills and Chargers: 1986-89 & 1998-05 – Had a career-high 476 rushing yards in 1999. Also had 61 touchdown runs in his CFL career.
Ø Donovan McNabb, Eagles: 1999-Present -- Rushed for 107 yards in the 2004 NFC Divisional Playoff against the Packers (second most in a postseason game in NFL history).
Ø Michael Vick, Falcons: 2001-Present – Holds NFL quarterback records for rushing yards in a season (1,039 in 2006), rushing yards in a game (173 vs. Vikings in 2002) and rushing yards in a playoff game (119 vs. Rams in 2004).
I don't know about best ever. (Montana, Unitas,etc) But too bad he never had a running game. 420 touchdowns is very impressive, but only one superbowl appearance shows it was not a balanced team. Same goes for Moon. He could throw, but it takes more then that to win the big game.Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
I am enjoying NFL classics on sundays. Gives me a bit of a game fix. The cheerleading stuff last week was crap. I like cheerleaders, but it was overkill. Just show old games 24/7.
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He was ONE of the best ever. I would say top 5. Where in the top 5 is really up to debate.