Well the chargers definitely got the best of that deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
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Well the chargers definitely got the best of that deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
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Originally Posted by vairox
GOOD. This guy has been a scum bag ever since he has been in the league. As hard as the NFL has tried to make him there cover boy, he is just an a-hole. This might be good for Atlanta, may be able to get out of that contract and get a real QB. Lol...I bet they really wish they kept Shaub(sp?) now, huh?
He was my FF team MVP last year. My league scored 1 point per rushing attempt, so 8 carries for 70 yards from Vick was equal to 350 yards passing and 2 TDs from a real QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
Oh yeah..Frank Gore tore BOTH his ACL's in college...after surgery in 2003, he ran for just under 1000 yards with a 4.8 average in 2004.
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Originally Posted by WolfNoob
Thats kinda a silly league.
md1198p - guess culpepper knows where he is landing now that he was cut loose.
and yeah, that's a very silly league... any time a jester like vick can put up as many fantasy points playing RB as a QB can during a GOOD game is a silly league....and by silly, I mean castro district of san fran silly.
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Originally Posted by vairox
Possible...the system they are supposed to run, from what i understand, needs a QB that can throw the deep ball well. He was just cut also from Miami.
I've lost faith in eli, but his comp % has improved each season. If he can keep his head straight, get his comp % above 60 and avoid the mid season decline that would be great.
I don't remember who it is, but whoever thinks mcnabb is a running qb has not seen him play. He's a pocket passer who happens to be able to run and move around. If the pocket collapses he can scramble, he doesn't immediately go into run mode he still looks for the pass. He's smart about it.
Don't confuse a qb who can run with a running qb.
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Originally Posted by PriMaTe
THANK YOU!!! A confirmation at last!!!!
I will agree he has slightly improved...but even you, a Giants fan I assume, seem to agree he has not met expectations, and that his future expectations are much lower now than when he was drafted. When you trade on draft day for a number one picked QB, and trade 2 high first round picks, you expect to get a great player. It does not seem he will live up to that status.
Number 13!Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...16/mmqb/1.html
Ha. If we, by some miracle, have a good season this year I don't even know if I'll be able to handle it. :Glee:
Anyone think Culpeper will get a starting job? I don't, but who knows. Miami got screwed. They lost draft picks and got nothing in return.
Maybe perspective... maybe you think that 1,000 or 1,100 yards is a "good" season. For a feature back (which in fact I have to give McAllister even more props for last season), I think that it is just "decent" by regular standards, and "good" coming back from knee reconstruction.Quote:
Lol...all those guys had good seasons.
1,000 or even 1,100 yards to me isn't overly impressive. Over a 16 game season, 1,000 yards is like 66 yards per game and 1,100 is a little bit more. Hardly eye popping when you consider how much it contributes to a teams offense in one game. Not "bad" in my eyes, but not "good" either. "Decent".
Maybe your perspective differs from mine, but that's how I see it.
And keep in mind that even at 1,000 to 1,100... the examples that you cite are the EXTREME end of the spectrum... and I would argue are the exceptional cases... not the general end result.
Edge was a few years removed from his injury by the time that he hit Arizona. And yes... Arizona's o-line definitely contributed to his drop in production.Quote:
If you don't Edge had a harder time picking up yards behind Arizonas line than he did the Colts line because it maybe supports your argument...ok fine.
I suspect that if someone (a statistician with a REAL enjoyment of numbers) really crunched the numbers... that we'd see a OVERALL significant drop off in production the immediate year after knee reconstruction.Quote:
there are a ton more players that had this injury, either in the pros or college.
And for every Deuce McAllister, I can probably find an Ickey Woods. Or ten players who had a significant drop off the immediate year after.
Yea... those are two opposite ends of the "knee injury" spectrum.Quote:
His was partially torn, just the ACL. Its was not as severe as Culpeppers, who tore all 3 ligaments.
Ohh, I agree 100%. Most players come back from it... my point is that they are rarely the same player they were before the injury in just their FIRST year back.Quote:
Point is...this injury is just so common now that its more unusual for a player to not come back from it.
I have had PLENTY of opportunity to see McNabb play. Aside from watching every Washington game that I can, I'll usually watch the other NFC East games just because I think that the rivalries in that division are the best in football. Even though I don't like Philly, or the Giants, and am rather neutral on Dallas... those are some GREAT games to watch. I have seen PLENTY of Philly games.Quote:
You really seem to be fixed on Mcnabb using mobility. I have watched every single game he has played in his career, since around 2004 he just does not run very much and really is a pocket passer. He can and does make some plays with his legs, but his game is to stay in the pocket and go though progressions.
And I am fixated on McNabb's legs... for what I think is good reason... from what I've seen I think that he uses them a LOT.
In light of our discussion here, I will actually pay special attention to this this season (and I am contemplating buying NFL ticket for DISH). The Philly games that I am able to watch, I'll break it down. My guess from that games that I have watched in the past is that McNabb scrambles out of the pocket probably about 1/3rd of the pass plays. That is a LOT.
And if I am right... what is even more telling about that is that Philly has a good O-line... he gets a lot of time staying in the pocket anyways. He probablt gets more time... either staying in the pocket or scrambling... than any other QB in the game. This is a TREMENDOUS advantage for him to find open recievers.
Back when the Eagles starting receivers were Thrash and Pinkston, it was extremely frustrating watching McNabb being able to march the team down the field with basically little help from the running game. The receivers would have single coverage on them and would be blanketed from the get go. Eventually... McNabb would either:
a) run for good yards
b) dump it off to a RB or his TE who had all day to find a soft spot
c) eventually throw it to the WRs who had all day to eventually shake their coverage
or
d) scramble... draw the defence up to him and then do b) or c)
I mean it was ridiculous. I can't describe to you my frustration with the opponent teams pass rush not being able to apply ANY pressure to McNabb.
The flipside to that would be the Eagles D would be ALL OVER the other teams QB. Whether it was Trotter correctly guessing the snap count and blowing up the Center the moment he hiked the ball and creaing all kinds of disruption or Walker taking an O-lineman and tossing him aside right off the snap.
I remember wondering how McNabb would do under that exact same situation.
(by the way... I think that Jimmie Johnson is a MASTER Defensive Coordinator... would LOVE to have him on my team)
And all those years that the Eagles lost in the NFC Championship game... the team that beat the Eagles were able to rush McNabb, force him to stay in the pocket, read the defence and utterly confuse him.
Vick is a different cat. He will *try* to read a defence for 1/2 second and either un at the first inkling of trouble or give up trying to read the D and run anyways.Quote:
You are thinking of a game like Vicks
He is the EXTREME case of a running QB.
The day that his legs can no longer get him out of trouble, he is DONE as a QB.
(if his off the field activities don't ruin his career first)
I think that you meant 4 TDs.Quote:
You blow off the fact that he threw 4 INTs with zero mobility because it was against a team that was not that good?
Yea... I think that feat was dimished greatly by the fact that it was the Cards.
Had it been against the Baltimore Ravens, I'd have been impressed.
The Cards were so ridiculously bad then that it's not even funny.
Nadda.Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
Like 980 in 2002.
Close, but no Cigar...
Ok... here we go:
15th in the entire league that season, and you call it an "excellent season".Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
Now for Eli last season:
How does his QB rating of 77 translate compared to the rest of the NFL?Quote:
That one little point he raised his QB rating there you keep talking about (to a whopping 77 )he owes to Burress for out jumping people and catching horrible passes into coverage.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2006/regular
18th in the entire league. And you had made the statement earlier that he "could not play in this league".
So by your standards, at 15th you have an "excellent season" and at 18th you "cannot play in this league".
Interesting...
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Must run in the family...Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
Not too much different than Marcus Vick...
I actually admire Vick's running talents... but this guy is a scumbag. Hope that his career is over.
And if Clinton Portis comes to his defence again like a complete MORON, I hope that his career ends too.