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could care less what the "consensus" is here. I've talked to plenty of people who share my thoughts on McNabb.

I think that this year will be a great litmus test for him. Unfortunately, we'll just have to wait.

When it's all said and done, if McNabb stays in the pocket a LOT, reads the defences, and has a good year... I'll eat crow. I have no problem with that.

Will you be willing to eat crow should he have a sub standard year?

(by his previous standards?)

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We you are wrong anyway...again i have seen every Eagles game for the last 15 or so years, so I know exactly what kind of QB he is. I could come on here and state "Vick is a pocket passer, he stays in the pcoket and carves teams up....I watched him 5 times last year...." and just keep argueing it and i would be wrong.
Mcnabb reads defenses extremely well, again you cannot have that kind of TD to INT ratio if you cannot read a defense. Its just not possible. His flaw is he overthrows the easy short passes causing some incompletion's, but i will take that over bonehead throws caused by panic and indecisiveness.

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7-9 doesn't mean a d@mn thing. Some teams are better than their record indicates... some teams are worse. And everybody knows that the Cards have been the doormat of the league for since... well... forever.

I'm actually surprised that you are approaching that game like it was some heroic feat... beating the cards.

Cripes... Jack Youngblood played in a SuperBowl with a broken leg. THAT impresses me 10x more than McNabb being forced to beat the Cards by staying in the pocket of a good O-line.

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Youngbloods game was amazing also. But you are downplaying a guy throwing 4 TD's on a broken leg because it was not against the 85 Bears defense? So no single game offensive feat has any validity unless it was against a great defense? Thats ridiculous.

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His TD to INT ratio is good... but I think that you undervalue the importance that his mobility plays in helping achieve that ratio.

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No, its elite.

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Originally Posted by Recon

I for one cant wait to see joey harrington play again......just not for my team!

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LOL

The Vick indictment is REAL BAD news for the Falcons.

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Originally Posted by gkline

The Vick indictment is REAL BAD news for the Falcons.

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Long term it could be good news...if it allows them to get out of his contract, they can start over with a real QB.

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I guess I just have higher standards for a #1 draft pick that has a ton of weapons than you than you do...I would have expected him to have played better by his 3rd year than he has. I do not think we will ever agree on this. We just have a different set of standards.

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I think that 1st round QBs should be judged differently than other 1st round players.

Most 1st round QBs are out, or are on their way out of the league by this point in Mannings career. If I had to guess, I'd say that 75% of 1st round selected QBs are basically finished in their career at this point.

Manning on the other hand, is not only still very much in the league... but his QB rating has improved each year (even if ever so marginally), and he has thrown for more TDs than INTs. Not exaclty like he has lit the league on fire or anything, but exactly how many 1st round selected QBs can claim the same? Thats right... not many at all.

More 1st round selected QBs fail than probably any other single position.

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As for Walker. I think his number where excellent,especially considering he was in a new offense that runs the ball a lot more than Green Bay

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That has it's own benefit in and of itself... play action pass. Single coverage by a CB going deep often. Especially if you are the featured WR... as I believe that Walker was (with Rod Smith aging).

So it's a mixed bad there.

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We you are wrong anyway...

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LOL!

Well, it's a free country. You are certainly entitled to your own wrong opinion.

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again i have seen every Eagles game for the last 15 or so years, so I know exactly what kind of QB he is.

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People usually see their own team through rose coloured glasses. I know that I do at times. You are no different than the rest of us in that regard.

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Mcnabb reads defenses extremely well, again you cannot have that kind of TD to INT ratio if you cannot read a defense. Its just not possible.

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If there is any one single lesson that I have learned in life, it's never to say never.

I remember one Jake Plummer actually having a brilliant statistical season with the Broncos. Throwing a good number of TDs and quite a few INTs. And yet never for one moment did I think to myself... "Wow. Jake Plummer is a super star who can't do any wrong". And you yourself alluded to the idea that Plummer isn't a good QB in another post.

I would even venture to say that McNabb is a good (not great) QB. I'd be lying if I said that I wouldn't like to see him on the 'Phins. I just allow that that he makes a LOT of his plays based off his legs... and you do not.

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But you are downplaying a guy throwing 4 TD's on a broken leg because it was not against the 85 Bears defense?

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I actually think that it's pretty remarkable. But at the same time I realize that it was against the Cards. I don't get too excited if my QB lights up the Cards... even on a bum ankle.

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So no single game offensive feat has any validity unless it was against a great defense? Thats ridiculous.

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I didn't say that (though I did show the other extremne end of the spectrum by using the Ravens). But DUDE... it was against the Cards. And not to say that McNabb is a bad QB... but a LOT of bad QBs have looked like the second coming of Joe Montana against the Cards.

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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard

I think that 1st round QBs should be judged differently than other 1st round players.

Most 1st round QBs are out, or are on their way out of the league by this point in Mannings career. If I had to guess, I'd say that 75% of 1st round selected QBs are basically finished in their career at this point.

Manning on the other hand, is not only still very much in the league... but his QB rating has improved each year (even if ever so marginally), and he has thrown for more TDs than INTs. Not exaclty like he has lit the league on fire or anything, but exactly how many 1st round selected QBs can claim the same? Thats right... not many at all.

More 1st round selected QBs fail than probably any other single position.



That has it's own benefit in and of itself... play action pass. Single coverage by a CB going deep often. Especially if you are the featured WR... as I believe that Walker was (with Rod Smith aging).

So it's a mixed bad there.

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My point is I feel he would have been benched by now if not for all the circumstances that surrounded his arrival in NY. Tradeing 2 1st round pics(and a 3rd i think?) for him, his (and daddies) demanding to be traded, and the hype of his college career. His 18 INTs were 4th in the league I think, and when I rate QBs I look at that stat first, again my opinion.

As for Walker, you did not address he had 2 QB's, one being horrible, the other being a rookie. He still had an excellent year, and I did watch him play, not a sign of injury.

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Originally Posted by md1198p

Long term it could be good news...if it allows them to get out of his contract, they can start over with a real QB.

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Could be!

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If there is any one single lesson that I have learned in life, it's never to say never.

I remember one Jake Plummer actually having a brilliant statistical season with the Broncos. Throwing a good number of TDs and quite a few INTs. And yet never for one moment did I think to myself... "Wow. Jake Plummer is a super star who can't do any wrong". And you yourself alluded to the idea that Plummer isn't a good QB in another post.

I would even venture to say that McNabb is a good (not great) QB. I'd be lying if I said that I wouldn't like to see him on the 'Phins. I just allow that that he makes a LOT of his plays based off his legs... and you do not.

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Now you are comparing one season from Plummer to a career from Mcnabb? If it was one season Mcnabb had i would agree with you, but i posted career numbers, not single season.

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Originally Posted by md1198p

My point is I feel he would have been benched by now if not for all the circumstances that surrounded his arrival in NY. Tradeing 2 1st round pics(and a 3rd i think?) for him, his (and daddies) demanding to be traded, and the hype of his college career. His 18 INTs were 4th in the league I think, and when I rate QBs I look at that stat first, again my opinion.

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Benched for who? Lorenzen? Eli's an ok qb who has improved each year, you don't bench him and start over. The only QB's who could live up to the trades and hype are brady and peyton. The trades and all that, that's over now and you have to deal with the players you have.

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Originally Posted by PriMaTe

Benched for who? Lorenzen? Eli's an ok qb who has improved each year, you don't bench him and start over. The only QB's who could live up to the trades and hype are brady and peyton. The trades and all that, that's over now and you have to deal with the players you have.

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Ok..you are right about that, I forgot they don't really have anyone else. So he is starter by default, and they are just doomed.

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Originally Posted by md1198p

Ok..you are right about that, I forgot they don't really have anyone else. So he is starter by default, and they are just doomed.

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roighttttt

maybe mcnabb will play more than 10 games this season. I look forward to feely taking some snaps :cool:

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Originally Posted by PriMaTe

roighttttt

maybe mcnabb will play more than 10 games this season. I look forward to feely taking some snaps :cool:

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Feeley is a very good QB in the Eagles offense. I would say he is a sytem QB along the lines of Jeff Garcia, not as good obviously. He looked bad when he went to Miami, but he was good for us before he left and in the game he played last year he carved Atlanta's starting team (I know still not the Ravens, 85 Bears or 91 eagles defense) up with our 2nd team offense.

I would say the Eagles with Feeley starting are still a much better team than the Giants.

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Originally Posted by monroeski

Exactly, innocent until proven guilty. Show me the court that has already proven him guilty of anything, be it participating in the dog fights or just knowing they were going on, and I'll start calling him a dog killer. There is no reason for sponsors to start dropping a guy when nothing has been proven. Remember the Duke Lacrosse players, I think they got suspended before there was even an indictment, and look how THAT turned out. Look at Kobe, everyone was calling him a rapist, and it turns out he's just an guy that had the bad sense to commit adultery with a chick who is totally bat-**** insane.

Not renewing a contract is one thing, like what Airtran did with Vick, but nullifying the contract would come back to bite Nike HARD if he gets cleared. I'm not saying that he didn't do it, or that he did do it, but it's too early to be totally crucifying the guy.

I was pretty much just joking around anyway, note the smiley.

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are you f'in insane? they found dog carcasses on his property, gear and tools and witnesses.... holy f'n **** batman I think we might be onto something.... someone grab the red phone.

his property, his responsibility, his fall from some delluded form of grace.

GUILTY.... yeah he has only been charged with conspiracy, but this guy is knee deep in dog bodies and waist deep in problems.

Good I hate Vick, always have... and I am a dog lover, this makes me hate Vick even more.

Screw Vick, he belongs in jail.

I hate Vick so much when I play Madden and they show him I flip him off and say go to hell. Yeah I flip off a polygonal version of Vick, but it makes me happy.