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03-14-2008, 01:25 PM
spamjedi

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Originally Posted by r'aggro

Detroit released Kevin Jones among others. Are there any players in Detroit who were... drafted by Detroit?? Seems like they've cut them all.

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-- Jones was a first-round pick in 2004 while Edwards was a second-rounder in 2002.

--- Two second-round choices -- linebackers Boss Bailey (2003) and Teddy Lehman (2004) -- left the team as free agents. The Lions made no effort to try to re-sign them.

--- Second-round pick Shaun Rogers (2001) was traded to the Cleveland Browns.

--- First-rounders Joey Harrington (2002), Charles Rogers (2003) and Mike Williams (2005) are long gone.

--- From the 2002 draft, the Lions have one player remaining (fifth-rounder John Owens, who has bounced around the league). From the 2003 draft, the Lions have one player remaining (Cory Redding). The Lions do not have a starter on the roster, other than Roy Williams, from the 2004 and 2005 drafts.

I repeat The Lions do not have a starter on the roster, other than Roy Williams, from the 2004 and 2005 drafts. Ridiculous. I'm still a fan, but much less than in previous years. When (not if) this keeps up I will eventually not be a fan any longer.
03-14-2008, 01:28 PM
monroeski

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Originally Posted by Abarine

In Cleveland you can be lynched for saying that.

Fortunately for myself, I live in Dallas.

Unfortunately for myself, I can't walk 3 steps without running into a rabid Cowboys fan that can't understand how I could possibly have grown up in Texas and not like them.
03-14-2008, 01:44 PM
Abarine

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Originally Posted by monroeski

Fortunately for myself, I live in Dallas.

Unfortunately for myself, I can't walk 3 steps without running into a rabid Cowboys fan that can't understand how I could possibly have grown up in Texas and not like them.

I feel you on that...I'm in the middle of Browns country, but it's also Buckeyes country, and I hate all things Ohio State.

I'm hoping the Browns take a look at Kalimba Edwards.
03-14-2008, 02:01 PM
r'aggro

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Originally Posted by spamjedi

I repeat The Lions do not have a starter on the roster, other than Roy Williams, from the 2004 and 2005 drafts. Ridiculous. I'm still a fan, but much less than in previous years. When (not if) this keeps up I will eventually not be a fan any longer.

Ouch. Just think of how good the Lions could be right now if Millen could run a draft.
03-14-2008, 02:21 PM
spamjedi

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Originally Posted by Abarine

I feel you on that...I'm in the middle of Browns country, but it's also Buckeyes country, and I hate all things Ohio State.

I'm hoping the Browns take a look at Kalimba Edwards.

They wanted him last year or the year before, I can't remember. I would stay away unless you got him cheap and werent looking for him to start.
03-14-2008, 05:17 PM
MrDigital

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Originally Posted by spamjedi

I'm still a fan, but much less than in previous years. When (not if) this keeps up I will eventually not be a fan any longer.

You fairweather fan. Does a team have to do good at least once every 25 years for you to be a fan??

Us real fans set our expectations accordingly. "The Lions got 2 wins this year? SCORE!"
03-15-2008, 09:47 PM
fastitocalon

The lions are looking at a good 2 wins this year, just dump everyone and fire millen then sell the team and move them. I'm predicting the future. Maybe in a couple years Grand Rapids will get a team.
03-16-2008, 04:43 AM
PriMaTe

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Originally Posted by MrDigital

You fairweather fan. Does a team have to do good at least once every 25 years for you to be a fan??

Us real fans set our expectations accordingly. "The Lions got 2 wins this year? SCORE!"

haha, yea I can understand how it's hard to be a lions fan. Keep the faith spam :cool:

I can't believe the raiders. First they pay that no name d-tackle big money(i think it was a guy named Kelly), then they over pay for gibril wilsonn (I love gibril and I'm glad he got paid) then they pretty much picked up d-hall, and they grabbed william joseph from the giants as well! He's a bust and not starter material and I think they know that based on the contract, but still. I thought the raiders' secondary was good I don't undertsand the hall thing at all, that pick up really makes no sense.
03-17-2008, 07:37 AM
spamjedi

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Originally Posted by MrDigital

You fairweather fan. Does a team have to do good at least once every 25 years for you to be a fan??

Us real fans set our expectations accordingly. "The Lions got 2 wins this year? SCORE!"

You may be right ;)

If this is another losing season I don't know if I can hold on any longer. Heh. But I'll definitely be following my team all year. I'm just starting to prepare myself to switch to UofM or something.
03-17-2008, 07:55 AM
spamjedi

Peter King talks about Millen's drafting...

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Now here's a surprise: Since Matt Millen took over as team president in 2001, the Lions are batting .286 on their first- and second-round draft choices. (I don't include the 2007 draft; it's too early to tell on the yield from last year's first two rounds: Calvin Johnson, Drew Stanton, Ikaika Alama-Francis and Gerald Alexander.) But with the whacking last week of 2002 second-rounder Kalimba Edwards and 2004 first-rounder Kevin Jones, the black marks against the Detroit drafts just keep on rising.

When you draft a player in the first or second round, you're counting on him becoming an above-average player for your team. That's my line of demarcation. Of the 14 players picked by Millen in the first two rounds of the six drafts between 2001 and 2006, I count four players being above-average NFL starters for the Lions on their depth chart this morning: tackle Jeff Backus, center Dominic Raiola, wide receiver Roy Williams and linebacker Ernie Sims.

The sad tale of the Detroit drafting tape:

2001: Round 1, 18th overall, T Jeff Backus. Very good player --112 career games, all starts. Round 2, 50th overall, C Dominic Raiola. Above-average five-year starter. Round 2 (61) DT Shaun Rogers. Perennial tease just traded to Browns.

2002: Round 1 (3) QB Joey Harrington. Booed out of town in '05. Now a Falcon. Round 2 (35) DE Kalimba Edwards. Six seasons, 26 sacks. Just cut.

2003: Round 1 (2) WR Charles Rogers. Injuries, substance abuse made him a bust. Round 2 (34) LB Boss Bailey. Five years, moderate impact. Now a Bronco.

2004: Round 1 (7) WR Roy Williams. Very good wideout. Unhappy. On the block. Round 1 (30) RB Kevin Jones. Cut after one good and three nothing years. Round 2 (37) LB Teddy Lehman. Hurt too much. Just signed with Bucs.

2005: Round 1 (10) WR Mike Williams. Lasted two pathetic years before being cut. Round 2 (37) DT Shaun Cody. Backup DT. Seven career starts.

2006: Round 1 (9) LB Ernie Sims. Genuine item. Solid player, great leader. Round 2 (40) FS Daniel Bullocks. Good rookie year. Hurt second year. Can he rebound?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...6/draft/1.html
03-17-2008, 08:49 AM
Abarine

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Originally Posted by spamjedi

They wanted him last year or the year before, I can't remember. I would stay away unless you got him cheap and werent looking for him to start.

We're just looking at a situational pass rusher/depth guy...but we'd be converting him from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 OLB, and I'm thinking we might pass this time. We were huge on him in 2006, but his dad screwed up the deal somehow...we ended up drafting Wimbley, which I'd say worked out rather well for us.
03-17-2008, 08:57 AM
Abarine

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Originally Posted by MrDigital

You fairweather fan. Does a team have to do good at least once every 25 years for you to be a fan??

Us real fans set our expectations accordingly. "The Lions got 2 wins this year? SCORE!"

Remember when this bulletin board was posted across from Ford Field?

https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/...2008/03/49.jpg
03-17-2008, 12:04 PM
monroeski

We talk bad about Lions drafting all the time, but really, there aren't any players there that people thought were a big reach that I can recall (other than drafting WRs all those years in a row, but still, they were expected to be good). I think their problem has much more to do with developing who they draft than making bad selections.
03-17-2008, 12:23 PM
Mindwarper

And Al Davis is noiw the go to guy in contract negotiations. Just what we need, Al paying top dollar for James Jett like players I want the Raiders to win. Or at least not be a laughingstock. All my buddies are 49er fans.

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Originally Posted by PriMaTe

haha, yea I can understand how it's hard to be a lions fan. Keep the faith spam :cool:

I can't believe the raiders. First they pay that no name d-tackle big money(i think it was a guy named Kelly), then they over pay for gibril wilsonn (I love gibril and I'm glad he got paid) then they pretty much picked up d-hall, and they grabbed william joseph from the giants as well! He's a bust and not starter material and I think they know that based on the contract, but still. I thought the raiders' secondary was good I don't undertsand the hall thing at all, that pick up really makes no sense.
03-17-2008, 04:16 PM
Abarine

Al Davis believes the key to a good defense is having two shut down corners. He also believes that the Raiders are still a quality organization and that it's still 1975.
03-17-2008, 04:20 PM
MrDigital

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Originally Posted by Abarine

Remember when this bulletin board was posted across from Ford Field?

https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/...2008/03/49.jpg

Hahahahahha... never saw that, awesome.
03-19-2008, 12:00 PM
Spank_Me_Hard

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Originally Posted by Abarine

Al Davis believes the key to a good defense is having two shut down corners. He also believes that the Raiders are still a quality organization and that it's still 1975.

Actually... with the new prevelance of passing in the NFL, I think that quality corners are more important than ever. Corners and D-linemen who can rush the passer.

The Raiders have part of the equation for this year... and have Burgess on the d-line if he can have a good year.

I think that their run stopping, and their offense in general will be a mess though.

It's all about the right balance in this day in age.
03-19-2008, 12:14 PM
Mindwarper

The giants showed that a good pass rush will make ok corners look much better. Man to man is not the only way to play D. I still wonder if Kiffin will be coach at draft day. My bet is on Lofton. Or possibly Ryan. Kiffin will most likely be gone. So sad. Need hope.
03-19-2008, 12:32 PM
Spank_Me_Hard

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Originally Posted by Mindwarper

The giants showed that a good pass rush will make ok corners look much better. Man to man is not the only way to play D.

I agree... but you need a REALLY good pass rush, or REALLY good DBs if you are only going to focus on one part of the equation.

Obviously, it's better to have both. Barring injury, my guess is that the Raiders pass D will be VERY good this year...

If I'm not mistaken though... I think that their run D was pretty bad last year. And in a division with Tomlinson and Larry Johnson... that could be all she wrote.
03-19-2008, 12:44 PM
monroeski

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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard

I agree... but you need a REALLY good pass rush, or REALLY good DBs if you are only going to focus on one part of the equation.

A great line can do amazing things without great DBs backing them up. A great set of DBs can do nothing without a good line in front of them.

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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard

If I'm not mistaken though... I think that their run D was pretty bad last year. And in a division with Tomlinson and Larry Johnson... that could be all she wrote.

And this is a prime reason why. If the line can't stop the run, then you have to start bringing your DBs to help out with the run, and it doesn't matter how well they can cover if they're in run stuffing mode.
03-19-2008, 01:01 PM
spamjedi

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Originally Posted by monroeski

A great line can do amazing things without great DBs backing them up. A great set of DBs can do nothing without a good line in front of them.

Agree 100%. I even take that to the offensive side of the ball.

A great line can produce huge rushing yard without a great running back. A great running back can't do anything without a good line.

I would rather have the best offensive line in football than the best running back in football.
03-19-2008, 01:13 PM
Spank_Me_Hard

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Originally Posted by monroeski

A great line can do amazing things without great DBs backing them up. A great set of DBs can do nothing without a good line in front of them.

I disagree to a point.

There are a few examples of either that come to mind... not always in the NOW era (I'm thinking back to a few in the late 80's)... but a few exceptions to that rule.

Generally true... but not always.

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Originally Posted by monroeski

And this is a prime reason why. If the line can't stop the run, then you have to start bringing your DBs to help out with the run, and it doesn't matter how well they can cover if they're in run stuffing mode.

This really only affects the safeties and not the corners. The corners first and primary reponsibility is the pass... period. Safeties can be brought up to support vs. the run... but even then their primary responsibility is the pass... it's just that they may be out of position being brought up to help out vs. the run.

Even when corners are brought up... you can still provide good pass coverage if you have good "bump and run" corners. And corners can be brought up when the space behind them is restricted (i.e. the back of the endzone).

So I agree here as well... but also only to a point here as well. Supporting vs. the run only affects part of the secondary more than the other.
03-19-2008, 03:50 PM
Abarine

If you don't have a pass rush, your corners are going to be out maneuvered eventually. The wide receiver's primary advantage is that he knows where he's supposed to be going; even the best coverage can only last, what, 4-6 seconds at the longest? Without a pass rush the whole thing is a mess.

Look at Indy; they've made some seriously weak corners look pretty passable.
03-19-2008, 05:42 PM
Spank_Me_Hard

You can take that both ways... A good secondary that results in more "coverage" sacks.

Eventually a D-lineman is also going to break free in on the QB.

Generally speaking, I'd feel much more comfortable with a good pass rush than good coverage. But there are exceptions.
03-19-2008, 08:49 PM
Abarine

Speaking from the perspective of a fan of a team without either good coverage OR a good pass rush, I'd rather pay the money for the pass rush; I see a lot more less-than-great corners play well in spot duty than I see less-than-great DL or LB play. I think you can fake having good corners; you have to actually have a good line.

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