I am pissed. This makes zero sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlesS
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I am pissed. This makes zero sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointlesS
I am a Raider fan. I am always pissed :)
Come sept, Taylor will be on the sideline and should have a good year. He wants to go out with a bang, not a whimper. I think it will be on Miami's sideline no matter how hard rosenblum and Taylor whine. Tuna will get a good year out of him. He will get paid and get lots of press. The story that keeps giving. Remember when it was Owens in Dallas and how Tuna wouldn't call him by his name. Tuna has a MO. It is his way or the highway. He is looking long term, not just next year. And remember when Owens wanted out of Philly. The story went on and on. It the offseason and the talking heads need stuff to yack about. Next up, artificial grass, changing the number of preseason games, how such and such a team is a sleeper, and these coaches are on the hot seat. Its the same every year. I can't wait for sept, but preseason will be better then nothing.
I understand that Parcells has his way. That he has been successful in turning around floundering teams. That he comes in with a "I don't care who you think that youm are... show me what you can do for me" attitude.Quote:
Dumb Dolphins
By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
When Miami Dolphins owner Wayne Huizenga hired Bill Parcells to run his football team, the expectation was that the team would become big, tough and disciplined.
Nobody was expecting stupid.
That’s what the Miami fan base got Wednesday when coach Tony Sparano, Parcells’ selection for the job, essentially called out Pro Bowl defensive end Jason Taylor. Sparano escalated the growing feud between the team and Taylor by essentially calling out Taylor for not being part of offseason workouts and saying that Taylor wouldn’t be with the team in training camp.
“This is my reaction with the Jason Taylor situation,” Sparano said. “I’m going to answer this question one time. I’m not going to answer another question about the Jason Taylor situation after I answer this. Here is what I know. I’m glad we know this and we’ve gotten the information. That’s important.
“I know that Jason is not going to be at any (offseason workouts), know that Jason is not going to be at any minicamps, and I know that, right now, Jason is not going to be at training camp. So that’s what we know. Jason is a player under contract with the Miami Dolphins. He knows that. Both parties are well aware of the information. That is all I am going to say about it. I am going to talk about our players now. I am not going to talk about another thing about Jason. I am not going to talk about another thing.
“What I just told you is what I know. It’s what we know, and that being said, we need to discuss the current players on our team right now that have been busting their butt for nine weeks here.”
While all of that may come off as strong and aggressive to some people, it’s really stupid.
Why? Whether the Dolphins want to have Taylor play for them this season (which they apparently don’t) or whether they want to trade Taylor, what Sparano said helps neither cause.
First, if they somehow want Taylor around (again, that seems impossible to believe at this point), what Sparano said only alienates the Dolphins from their best player. Second, if the Dolphins want to trade Taylor, they have only decreased his value by making it appear they don’t want him.
Sure, some people will argue Sparano’s statements make it clear who is in charge to the rest of the team. That sounds macho, but it’s really shortsighted.
The task for Parcells, Sparano and Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland (another Parcells protégé) was to get Taylor to play or to get as much as possible for him in a trade. As recently as two weeks ago, one source said that at least one team interested in trading for Taylor believed that Parcells simply would cut Taylor.
As absurd as that sounds (heck, Tennessee got a conditional fourth-round pick for Pacman Jones), Sparano’s comments only feed that perception. Instead of offering more, teams now are likely to offer less.
Furthermore, taking on Taylor really is pretty silly. Sure, Taylor has been thumbing his nose at the Dolphins the past couple of days. He finished second in “Dancing With The Stars” on Tuesday and then took a redeye to New York to appear on “Live with Regis and Kelly” on Wednesday morning instead of returning to offseason workouts with the Dolphins.
As much as some people may think that’s wrong, it is Taylor’s right to do that. With the exception of an offseason minicamp, offseason workouts are voluntary. In addition, Taylor has earned this right. This is a guy who never has been out of shape in his career. He has played hard and was the NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2006.
Off the field, Taylor has been everything that Huizenga has asked of players. His Jason Taylor Foundation runs a program that helps teach kids to read. Last season, Taylor was named the NFL Man of the Year for his charity work.
In short, Taylor has more than held up his end of the bargain as a member of the Dolphins.
Yes, he wants out right now. But at 33, after having missed the playoffs for the past six years and facing another rebuilding project (Parcells and Sparano are kidding themselves if they think any of the quarterbacks on the roster are going to lead them to the playoffs in the next two years), Taylor isn’t asking for something completely unfair. In fact, last month Huizenga said he thought Taylor deserved a chance to chase a title elsewhere if the Dolphins can’t make it happen.
Finally, to Taylor’s credit, he hasn’t even said such words himself. He never has acted like Chad Johnson or Terrell Owens, trashing a franchise as he tried to get out. Taylor has tried to exit quietly rather than acting like some spoiled idiot.
Instead, Sparano did the job for him.
But this whole thing with Taylor just reeks. Taylor had a good year last year. There are plently of 'Phins who should be worried about their jobs... but Taylor isn't one of them. The 'Phins are barking up the wrong tree. They are alienating their best player, and are decreasing his trade value in the process.
I doubt he will be traded and Parcells doesn't need em happy. Who cares if he feels alienated? He will make his money and then retire to show business. Parcells is looking long term. Taylor has little trade value and can help the team this season. My guess is he will play for the fins one more year or retire. He might get lucky and get a trade wish or remotely, get released. But my money is that he plays for the fins.
Heck, ship him to the Raiders!!! That's where all unhappy players end up...only to find out what a real "unhappiness" really means ;)
Well, as in any workplace... a happy employee is typically a productive employee. A disgruntled one typically isn't. This is common sense. Taylor is nearing the end of his career... he could just plain retire rather than deal with the BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindwarper
While I respect Parcells ability to turn a team around, his method of picking out one aging superstar who had a very good year and pissing him off makes no sense to me. Long term or short term.
You hold people accountable who had bad seasons (and the 'Phins are full of them). Not the ones who actually produced. This too is common sense.
Rumour is that the 'Phins tried to trade him but were asking too much. Reportedly a 1st round pick.Quote:
Taylor has little trade value and can help the team this season.
Jared Allen was traded from KC to Minnesota this offseason. For a 1st round pick, two 3rd round picks, and the two teams swapping their 6th round pick.
Taylor is 33 years old, and Allen is much younger with potentially a great career ahead of him (if he can stay out of legal trouble). I think that the 'Phins were stupid for asking so much. He has even less trade value now with all this drama going on...
Geez... Between him and Burgess, what a sack combo! If Taylor doesn't get "old" overnight. I guess one of them would have to play the strongside too... and deal with a TE helping the OT out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boneycat
I still think they won't be friends but Taylor will be playing in Miami this sept. He is not the 1st disgruntled nfl player, mad at the front office, coach, his role, the teams draft, etc. The only time you hear about the unhappiness of a player is during the slow months when the talking heads have little to say. I do think they should have traded him for less then a 1st round pick. But they might want him for his talent for one year instead. He might whine and *****, he might hint at retiring. But my guess is that Taylor is a pro and wants to go out in a year. He thinks the Fins are to far away from the supeerbowl during his playing window and wants out and a chance at a ring. Nothing wrong with wanting a ring, but he is in a contract. He will probably honor it.
Anyone else thinks Roy Williams should put on about 25-30 pounds and play linebacker?
Cowboys are starting to get a surplus of DB's, ones that can actually cover.
Williams would be a monster OLB.
I have often wondered that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rabidmoose171
How the transition for a big safety would be going to the WILL spot. A guy like Williams may only have to put on 10lbs to play that spot.
Big enough to play linebacker (most of the time without a TE on him) and fast enough to cover TEs and RBs out of the backfield.
Back in the day... I wondered if the 'Phins had ever thought of doing this with Louis Oliver (who could run a 4.35 40 coming out of college). The 'Boys with Darren Woodson (the 'Boys did have a smaller WILL in Darren Smith) and the Steelers with Carnell Lake.
There are some smaller WILL backers in the NFL who excel in coverage.
Basically everyone I know thinks that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rabidmoose171
Just being a smaller linebacker wouldn't automatically make him a good cover guy. He just lacks the skills to do it imo no matter the position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
Covering as a safety and covering as a weakside backer are a world of difference. And in general, I'd say that covering as a weakside backer is easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by monroeski
My guess is that Williams would make an excellent weakside "cover" backer. I'm not so sure how he'd deal with pulling guards.
Does anybody understand what the hell GB is thinking with Favre?!?
The guy had a great season last season proving that he can in fact still play the game.
Why are they trying to force him now to be a backup?!?
I think since they've been prepping aaron rodgers since the season ended, you can't just all of a sudeen go back to favre. They have to move on sometime, they ball is already rolling.
I dont know what the hell Favre is even thinking. Why would he want to return? Hes set just about every QB record there is, has a SB ring, and will be a guaranteed first ballot hall of famer. Quicker he retires, the quicker that ballot will come.
I cant see why hed want to return and sign with another team. What would he do? Play 1 or 2 seasons and be mediocre at best? As a lifelong Favre fan, I dont want to see his career end like that. He did well this past season, broke the last few records he hadnt already, what more does the guy want? Everyone in Wisconsin wants him to stay retired, and we especially dont want him to return for 1 more year and wear another jersey.
Let's follow the timeline so far. Not every part of it has gotten the attention it deserves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
1. Every year, they don't know for MONTHS if he'll be back or not.
2. Right after last season is over, he retires.
3. In March, apparently he told them he wanted to come back, and they said OK, welcome back.
4. Soon afterwards, he changes his mind and tells them he wants to retire again.
5. Soon afterwards, he changes his mind and wants to play again. Mentions becoming a coach, if not a player.
6. GB is sick of his wishy-washy ******** every year and this time tells him they've moved on.
7. Brett wants GB to go against every common sense business notion on earth and give him an unconditional release.
8. GB basically says "you're out of your damn mind if you think we're releasing you unconditionally" and offers to take him on as a backup.
I fully support GB on this one, they can't keep putting up with this year after year. If I were a betting man, I bet they are assuming he would never come back as a backup and they're only offering that to get him to retire once and for all.
I think that the bottom line is "Would having Favre as our starting QB make us a better team?".
I have a hard time thinking that Rogers would be a better QB this season that Favre. In fact, Rogers could probably benefit from at least one more season as a backup.
Regardless of Favre's BS... he makes GB better by starting. If the latest data is *any* indicator (re: last season)... then GB is making themselves a weaker team by making him a backup I think.
I do agree we'd be better off with favre starting but to me it feels like the person you meet and think they're pretty cool so you hang out with them a bunch of times...but then you start hanging out with other people however he keeps following you around...eventually you just want him to go away...
as a packer's fan when he announced retirement I accepted it and mentally moved on to the thought of rogers being our qb...almost looking forward to it...but now with favre wanting to come back it almost feels like the scenario above
I doubt that the fans will like ST. Farve on the bench or in purple. I like seeing him on the field. He was good last year and made it to the nfc championship game. Why not give it another try? The team that is only a QB away might be the purple people eaters. But that would be a lot for the fans to stomach.
Would Favre really sign with the Vikings?? What a travesty. The longer this goes on, the sadder it will get.
No becuase theres no way GB will release him. Favre will either take a backup role to Rodgers or he'll stay retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
Favre is being a real douche here.
I doubt your senario. Would the fans and stockholders sit quietly with Favre on the bench? I very much doubt it. He will cause a circus, thats for sure. There is no way he will sit on a bench. He will be starting. The question is where. Can GB keep him out of the division and on a lame team? Like Tampa or kansas city? Manegment do not want him exclipsing GB, nor do they want him on the GB sideline or bench. Will they make the QB an open compition? I would think besides Rogers, most of the team would think they would be better off with Farve in the huddle. It will be a hard decision, but I see him getting traded to some non competitive afc team.
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Originally Posted by [PinPals]Apu
This year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
Long term, mid term, hell, even short term beyond the next season, they are better off not bringing him back this year. They have a pretty young team, and they need to get a QB in there who is going to grow with them, not have another good year with them then leave town.
Something else to think about - Rodgers has two years left on his contract. If they bring Favre back this year, will they extend him? Or will they hand the reins over to a one year guy next year?
Well, that's a hard decision to make I think.
GB could be a Super Bowl team this year with Favre. I think that is a hard thing to turn ones back on... It's the whole reason why teams compete... to win a Superbowl.
I am also a big advocate of the "longterm". I think that ultimately, it pays the highest dividends.
But I think in this situation, I go with Favre for one more year... and the extra year of development and learning may pay off longer term dividends with Rogers development as well.
Rogers is an unknown. Why worry about him? Farvre is know commodity. He is a pro QB. At best, Rogers will struggle this year and you have 2 years left on his contract. Wouldn't you try for the superbowl when it is a possibility instead of waiting for .....hmmm. What do you wait for...? A good team with a pro QB. I still think he will be either starting for GB or starting for a non competitive quarterback needy afc team like Baltimore or Kansas City.