Jason Taylor a 'Skin, and Jeremy Shockey a Saint.
A couple good players go to diff teams.
'Skins are going to play Taylor at left DE I hear... a big mistake putting him on the TEs side I think...
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Jason Taylor a 'Skin, and Jeremy Shockey a Saint.
A couple good players go to diff teams.
'Skins are going to play Taylor at left DE I hear... a big mistake putting him on the TEs side I think...
I think the Raiders training camp opens today. I want to know what they plan for DT if moving Kelly fails. The O should be better this year. With the running backs they have, Russel should see a lot of 8 man fronts. Which means some play action and short zone busting routes. I look forward to preseason. And hey, my team is undefeated.
Yeah and so are 31 other teams. :p
I'm curious to see if McFadden will get any playtime. From what I understand their O line wasn't terrible last year and if that's the case, look the hell out. I'm not just a huge Razorbacks or college football fan, but watching that dude run the last three seasons was a blast.
I don't typically watch the Raiders games, but I'm sure the local cbs affiliate will give us plenty of him. I remember when Matt Jones went pro - all we got was Jaguars games for an entire season.
Jones....what a waste, dude got busted with the cocaine.
Brett Favre... A JET?!?!?!
Traded this morning. One of my good friends is a Jet fan at least he will be happy...
Saw that.
After I had thought about it a bit over the past few days, I actually like this development quite a bit.
As a 'Phins fan, I want to see what is best for them.
I think that Favre is a great QB... even now. This will hurt Miami... this year. But Miami is going nowhere this year. And a few years down the road, this will be hurting the Jets from lost draft picks.
So short term pain for long term gain.
Before I had thought it out, I had wanted him to go to the Bucs. But once I had thought it out a bit more, I wanted him to go to the Jets. A good development I think.
And... I still think that Pennington is a good QB. Not great... but good. I don't think that any QB would have done well with the Jets last year. Hopefully the Jets release him.
Well Im glad its finally done. As much as I hate to see Favre go like this, the media cluster**** that is Wisconsin is much worse. I wouldve cried if he went to the Viqueens. Jets are a good choice. Not gonna have to face him very often.
I wanted to see him play the packers this year. So sad. But now back to more talking heads debating useless facts. Bring on the games.
Good, get him out of the NFC.
Holmgren's last home game as the Hawks coach will be against the Jets, should be interesting.
My wish has been granted! Pennington was released today!
I'd love for Miami to pick him up... and with Parcells in Miami... maybe it will come true!
I saw this too:
On such a crappy team, Pennington's numbers were not bad... much better than Clemens.Quote:
Pennington was 1-7 as the starter, and Clemens went 3-5, but the veteran actually had the better season statistically. He threw for 1,765 yards and 10 touchdowns and nine interceptions; Clemens had 1,529 yards, five TDs and 10 interceptions in 10 fewer pass attempts.
I love how all the analysts are already calling the Jets a possible playoff/wildcard team. They musta forgot that they still dont have an O line to protect him, a receiver to throw at, or a defense.
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by [PinPals]Apu
Details, details...
I agree. I think that Favre will second guess his "unretirement" after getting beaten about like a pinhata...
No blocking, nobody getting open, and being forced to throw pretty much every down... a sure combination for success! LOL!
Pennington has an arm like overcooked spaghetti.
Laveranues Coles is a decent wide receiver for the Jets. He'll be much better with a decent quarterback throwing to him.
Laveranues had 1,000 yrds in 06, and in 07 he was hurt. Cotchery had 950 yrds in 06 and 1100 in 07. So they have 2 good receivers. I still figure favre will revert back to old form and throw 28 ints this season, just because it's the jets :cool:
So did a little known QB named Joe Montana.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
A cannon of an arm is nice (gives you the option of throwing passes like deep outs with less of a worry of being picked off), but over rated I think.
To me, the best ability of a QB is being able to read a defence quickly and correctly. And at that... Joe Montana was one of the best of all time. His arm strength scared nobody.
Pennington is as smart as they come. I'd welcome him on the 'Phins. He's 10x better than anybody who they have...
BTW... have been wondering about your avatar... have you given up the sauce?!?
Pennington might make a good QB coach, but he's pretty useless out there on the field IMO. Without decent arm strength he can't throw the fast slants nor the long bombs. And every day he gets older he just gets weaker.
And yeah, I'm off the sauce. Just over a month now. Being a non-drinker is as boring as I always figured it was.
I just realized that, going back to 2002, the Jet's records have been -Quote:
Originally Posted by [PinPals]Apu
2002: 9-7 (made playoffs)
2003: 6-10
2004: 10-6 (made playoffs)
2005: 4-12
2006: 10-6 (made playoffs)
2007: 4-12
Looks like they're due for a 10-6 record this year. :D
How is it then that you can account for a QB like Joe Montana who had a rubber band of an arm?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
And coincidentally... the quick slant was a "bread and butter" staple of the 49ers with Joe Montana at the helm.
Well, good luck to you. May just have to find another vice to spice things up again!Quote:
And yeah, I'm off the sauce. Just over a month now. Being a non-drinker is as boring as I always figured it was.
:D
Raiders/49ers on tape delay tonight. Dammit. But at least football is starting.
You keep bringing up Montana. Chad Pennington is no Montana. And Montana had an amazing supporting cast and one of the best NFL coaches ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
anyone else gearing up for fantasy football? a draft for one of my leagues is tomorrow...still trying to decide on a team name
I'm not sure when my draft is. The buy-in this year is $300 though, so I hope I pick a good team.
True... but with one key element that you aren't addressing...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
They both have pathetic arm strength.
And yet one is a hall of fame QB who threw the exact pass that you are describing (the slant) and the other you say can't play at the NFL level...
So what gives?!?
When Montana was throwing the quick slant, teams didn't have a decent defense against it because Bill Walsh INVENTED it. In 2008 they have a decent defense against it. It's a totally different era.
And like I said, Montana had an amazing cast which kept his limitations smaller. The guy had an awesome coach who came up with the most copied offensive strategy in football, an excellent running game and excellent receivers.
So yeah, could Pennington be a great quarterback? Sure. If you give him all that. And put him in the 1980s. On the 49ers.
And I never said he couldn't play at the NFL level. I simply said he had the most worthless arm in the NFL. In the right situation he could be "pretty good" quarterback, but in most other situations he's fighting for a starting job. Hell, he was fighting for a starting job on the Jets against the lowest rated quarterback of 2007.
So yeah, he's not that good.
In other news, the Lions are undefeated.
I don't think that Walsh invented the slant pattern... but he sure did perfect it!Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
As a Miami fan, I saw the 'Phins quickly adapt this pattern into their playbooks as well in the Marino and Marks Brothers era.
And I disagree that there wasn't a good defense against it in the day...
Pass coverages have fundamentally been the same for a lot of years. You play man to man, or zone. Within each, there are small subelties (e.g. "bump and run" as a type of man to man coverage... but basically, there is only those two types.
Back in the 80's the prevalent coverage was the zone. And throwing a quick slant against a zone was often a surefire way to get your reciever killed (eg over the middle into a linebackers zone), a pass incomplete, or worse of all... a crushing hit resulting in a fumble.
Quick slants were really the best against man to man coverages.
The recievers have also changed. Whereas the 80's featured small, quick, darting recievers (eg the Smurfs... Gary Clark, Ernest Givens, etc.)... the modern game favours big, tall, strong recievers (eg. Terrel Owens, Randy Moss).
Typically... the corners have mirrored the recievers that they cover (eg. early 80's - small, quick Darrel Green types vs now the larger cornerback types).
The point being... yes the game has changed... but not always as radically as you've alluded to (todays defenses being better at stopping the slant... the "West Coast" offence is still pretty common).
In this respect... I don't think that a QBs arm strength has fundamentally changed the game.
Agreed. Including the best reciever to ever play the game... which never hurt to run those quick slants to perfection and basically be uncoverable.Quote:
And like I said, Montana had an amazing cast which kept his limitations smaller. The guy had an awesome coach who came up with the most copied offensive strategy in football, an excellent running game and excellent receivers.
What about only a few years ago with the Raiders (West Coast offence... with Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, and Jerry Porter)? Seems to me like that teams had some striking similarities... despite the 20 some year difference.Quote:
So yeah, could Pennington be a great quarterback? Sure. If you give him all that. And put him in the 1980s. On the 49ers.
Fair enough.Quote:
And I never said he couldn't play at the NFL level. I simply said he had the most worthless arm in the NFL.
It's not like I'm a huge Jets fan having seen all their games to decide for myself...Quote:
In the right situation he could be "pretty good" quarterback, but in most other situations he's fighting for a starting job. Hell, he was fighting for a starting job on the Jets against the lowest rated quarterback of 2007.
But what I do know is that by looking at the stats, it looks to be a no brainer... Pennington's stats were WAY better than Clemens. Having played the same amount of time (eight games).
Take a look:
http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkjets...YJ&seasonType=
Not bad stats for Pennington considering the team was 4-12 (and 1-7 under him). Awful stats for Clemens (5TDs, 10INTs vs. 10TDs and 9INTs for Pennington, 16% fewer completions, and 0.7 yards fewer yards per attempt). Not even to mention QB ratings.
Makes Pennington look pretty good in comparison. So why he have to fight for his job vs. Clemens is a mystery to me.
Well, maybe just a matter of opinion... but he has had decent seasons... not so long ago. And even last season statistically for him wasn't too bad all things considering...Quote:
So yeah, he's not that good.