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Hey Crawling Eye - instead of flaming people who have problems with Creative products, maybe you should try to think why people complain about them. :rolleyes: If a company puts out problematic products and drivers the company deserves every bit of criticism it gets. Not all of us are Creative fanboys to put up with their mediocre products without voicing complaints.

Obviously you have never had an unresolved problem with a creative product, so I think it'd be fair to say that you are the one with no idea what the others are talkign about. What you did in response to Raven's post is called "thread crapping" and it is extremely uncool. :(

Creative-free for four months now. Never, EVER buying another creative product again.

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Originally posted by CrawlingEye
It seems (to me) that I'm a respected member around these forums, if someone is asking a question (which he didn't) then I'll answer their question to the best of my ability.

The PCI IRQ's could easily be changed via bios, without even changing the slot. :rolleyes:

Now, when one of you have something of use to say, say it. I'd rather not hear threads saying "I hate 'company x'"

It really undermines the credibility of the thread to have anything of substance, and the same goes for you, tyteazzazn. :rolleyes:

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What's with the attitude, dude?
First of all, threads like these are extremely helpful to people who are having problems. This weekend I was trying to install an audigy with lots of problems and threads here complaining about Audigy installs let me know that this was a known problem and happened to other people as well.

Secondly, if you'd rather not hear threads saying something, you have two choices - (a) don't read it and don't post in that thread. (b) if the thread is offensive, report it to the mods and let them decide.

You are almost taking on the role of a mod here. Nobody cares what you'd rather hear or not. Stop getting into people's faces and flaming them. If he didn't ask a question, what made you post a reply to him? And by the way, respect is earned, not proclaimed. :rolleyes:

Kiddo, when it's a matter of IRQ conflicts, I've never had to call tech.

Before you start saying "Company X sucks, d00d!" you should actually post a message and ask about help. It's like forgetting to plus your psu to your mobo and posting a message saying "Asus sucks d00d!"

It's blatantly foolish, now if you wish to piss and moan further, do it on my PM, that way I can just delete it without reading.

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Originally posted by CrawlingEye
Kiddo, when it's a matter of IRQ conflicts, I've never had to call tech.

Before you start saying "Company X sucks, d00d!" you should actually post a message and ask about help. It's like forgetting to plus your psu to your mobo and posting a message saying "Asus sucks d00d!"

It's blatantly foolish, now if you wish to piss and moan further, do it on my PM, that way I can just delete it without reading.

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Did Raven say anything about an IRQ conflict before you thread crapped? I don't see it anywhere. You know what you can do with your flames and attitude! And as for pissing and moaning on PM, I wish you'd followed your own advice before replying to Raven's post.

Some people. :rolleyes:

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Did Raven say anything about an IRQ conflict before you thread crapped? I don't see it anywhere. You know what you can do with your flames and attitude! And as for pissing and moaning on PM, I wish you'd followed your own advice before replying to Raven's post.

Some people. :rolleyes:

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i know tell me about it:rolleyes: i'm totally with you bluefusion

I would say apply VIA tweak if necessary.

Make sure that driver install is good and clean, cheak for IRQ, I/O channels, DMA conflicts.

Then compalin about Creative.

Not that I dont necessarily agree with you in the first place, but might as well be well armed.

And CE, The only reason why you prolly own the Processor/Mobo/Memory and Vantec Tornados
is because some one decided to piss and moan, or **** and cheer about how good or bad the products are. So dont get it twisted.

I'm afraid not. I've always gotten Intel's lower mult cpu's with higher fsb's. While most with the SiS 645 and SiS 645DX boards have been getting higher mult cpu's (2.0a's, 1.8a's) I went with a 1.6a (16x) on my SiS 645 board (P4S333) and a 2.26b with my P4S533 (17x) to acheive my higher fsb to feed into my idea for OCing success.

Higher fsb = higher bandwidth hunger
Higher memory divider = higher bandwidth

For my cooling, it's largely to get good temps while OCing and be able to get good vid card OC's. A good deal of my fans are directed at my video card, as is seen from my picture:

https://www.sharkyforums.com/

https://www.sharkyforums.com/

...but of course, I guess you won't have paid enough attention to figure that out, would you?

Another contrary point is that most everyone who OC p4's liked the i845 boards better than the SiS 645 boards, which I never have.

If you'll do a short search, you'll even realize I was one of the first (likely the first) to get a P4S533 with a 2.26b. ;)

Taking the advantage on arguing about something else while on this thread. Nice job CE. Heh, used your bragging rights while at it too.

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Taking the advantage on arguing about something else while on this thread. Nice job CE. Heh, used your bragging rights while at it too.

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ROFL he needs to find away to elude everyone's attention away:D i find it rather amusing:p

So basically what you are saying is that you have never ever read a post or article, review or preview that effected the way you thought about a product, you just poses this natural instinct in regards to technology, that allows you to instantly assertain its strengths and weaknesses and relative objective value, without ever using it, seeing it, or even knowing that it exsists.

Hmmmm, thats pretty damn amazing. Ever considered marketing such a skill, could be worth billions.

Look out Ms. Cleo here comes the mighty CrawlingEye!!!

I bet you'll never need to visit a proctologist.

Quite the contrary. I comment on what I've dealt with or what I've directly heard from credible people. I generally troublshoot things myself before going to a forum, as well.

If you have something like Via which generally needs 4in1 drivers for a good deal of stuff, you can't really complain about Creative's driver support, which (in most cases) works very well.

The instances you hear where something didn't work smoothly (regardless of whether it be faulty installation or something that can be hung on Creative) are most ALWAYS "Creative sucks!," ATi sucks!"

It never ends, however my tolerance for this rubbish is being cut quite short. By no means does someone's incompetence to install a component reflect anything on the company's product.

The driver support issue is very ghetto, too.
When you buy something, you buy it for what it is, not for what it'll be 6 months down the road. That's like saying "I'll get a GeF3 ti500 because the GeF4 ti4600's fast!"

It simply doesn't work. Make sure you know what you're getting, it's strong points, it's weak points. Most should buy basing off what is certain, not making shots in the dark.

Back to my purchases. I've primarily bought things out of solid unbiased reviews.

ie: Samsung PC3200 can hit DDR450 at stock voltage, while Corsair PC3200 can't. Which will I get?
I'm not going to listen to "Well, I installed my RAM backward and ruined my mobo because of this RAM! Company x sucks!"

People are credulous enough to believe a good deal of that stuff.
A good example (albeit, comical) is the "Taco Bell killed my rig!" thread.

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Quite the contrary. I comment on what I've dealt with or what I've directly heard from credible people. I generally troublshoot things myself before going to a forum, as well.

If you have something like Via which generally needs 4in1 drivers for a good deal of stuff, you can't really complain about Creative's driver support, which (in most cases) works very well.

The instances you hear where something didn't work smoothly (regardless of whether it be faulty installation or something that can be hung on Creative) are most ALWAYS "Creative sucks!," ATi sucks!"

It never ends, however my tolerance for this rubbish is being cut quite short. By no means does someone's incompetence to install a component reflect anything on the company's product.

The driver support issue is very ghetto, too.
When you buy something, you buy it for what it is, not for what it'll be 6 months down the road. That's like saying "I'll get a GeF3 ti500 because the GeF4 ti4600's fast!"

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This is kind of the response i was not wanting, very immature. I have seen many response that understood what I was going through. And then there is crawling's response.
On the day I wrote this I was frustrated, po'ed and tired of adjusting irq's, and redoing the via drivers. Listening to someone tell me that my mother board is screwy and that is not the problem of creative.
I tested these 2 cards on my friends machines and with the same results.
The point I am making is yes, I did do everything possible. I needed to know how many people are getting screwed with SB and how is it affecting them and also if they might (sez a prayer have a solution, i am axhausted from trying). Not some immature jackass response.
Everyday people buy defective crap and get help. This is motivation now behind most companies. Yet in the technology sector, they still have a negative attitude, towards the clientele.
ATI learned this the hard way as sale started to decline and almost crushed them.. and this is also what killed 3dfx.
Nvidia at times is not great, but have agood track record on updates, the subsidiary companies that make the boards offer good support. One board from xtasy gave me a some headaches and I got in touch with them and had a replacement in a few days. Drivers make the card what it is. plain and simple.. no good driver no good product... by your example ... we should just live with screw that.. I want what I payed for.. and if it is these POS's then maybe it is what I got.

For your information Crawling..try this on

I have 22 yrs of computing experience... and still smile when I hear setting bocaram/at plus jumpers or knowing the setup of a ram card and where each bank is...

peace and people thank you for your mature responses. and YES I AM NOW SB FREEE!!!!!!! START THE REVOLUTION

come on guys, stop flaming :(

most (if not all) give good adice to SF members, lets not turn this in a hate thread

Well said freedon. The thread took its toll. My personal purpose for this site is to help others that need it and to educate eachother in how other companies are doing and in what directions they are headed.

:cool: Now lets go to the beach and party (weather's way too nice to be staying inside