I like good old FPS's. MOHAA, JKII, BF1942 and Quake 3 to name a few. I play a few RPG's from time to time.
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I like good old FPS's. MOHAA, JKII, BF1942 and Quake 3 to name a few. I play a few RPG's from time to time.
That's not enough. An RGP is a game where you are the one who choose your path and where your decisions will influence your actions to come.Quote:
Originally posted by RPG Junkie
Action RPG
To me an RPG is any game that the main character (or whatever character one is playing) can be altered in a number of ways to be more effective in whatever that character does.
Are: Fallout (1 and 2), Baldurs Gate(1, 2, expensions), Planescape Torment, Neverwinter nights, Morrowind...
Are not: Diablo, Diablo 2, Dongeon Siege...
Action RPG's (Final Fantasy)
Combat Racers (Wipeout)
Smart-guy FPS's (Shogo)
Sneakers (Thief)
SOME RTS's (Total Annihilation)
'Mech Sims (Armored Core)
My preference is rather amorphous.
[EDIT]To me, Action RPG's are RPG's that don't bore the hell out of me with D&D-related stuff, and you can still enhance you're character with stats. Y'know, like most Japanese RPG's.[/EDIT]
Turn based strategy (Civ, MoO (I&2), SMAC, etc)
Yeah, I know I forgot strategy games<knocks head>
I had just got finished playing an hour long session of Dodonpachi so my mind was kind of squirrly. lol:p
*edit* I pm'd wurm to add strategy so hopefully he can or will.
FPS! Actually MMORPG FPS' *cough*Planetside rules*cough*
It's not that simple, I'm afraid. The point is that TRUE RPG's were born out of Strategy/Wargames. They're an "evolution" of the Strategy genre, where the focus becomes the human element of each "unit" instead of simply its battle prowess. Turning that into a hack n slash (or any Action variant) and you literally change the genre outright. As I said, Action/RPG is an oxymoron, to say the least.Quote:
Ok Saga, the first RPG games were board games so quit your bickering. RPG is a VERY diverse genre and almost any game can be called an RPG in some sense.
And I ain't bickering... I'm just tired. Tired of seeing this trend getting out of control. It can't be helped... the media claims that game X is a RPG and everyone who reads their reviews is like "well, he's the pro so if he says so it must be right".
Fallout was the closest a computer RPG ever got to a real RPG but, alas, that wasn't enough to settle to genre for the uneducated masses.
As far as Diablo II is concerned, the people at Blizzard are much to blame for it being classified as a RPG.Quote:
Originally posted by SE_Saga
Calling a game "Action/RPG" is like saying your pet is a Cat/Dog. It's either one or the other, not both. I really don't know where the trend started but only an ***** who has no clue what a RPG is would invent that.
Nothing personal, you just sound seriously misinformed on the subject, which is not your fault - rather the media is.
That's the line of thought that led games like Duke Nukem 3D to be called RPG some years ago (true but sad story). Only because "you play the role of Duke", "you can change weapons" and "you can choose different paths", etc.
God, when will people learn...
What really annoys me is how the so-called "professional" reviewers feed this crap and then turn the current generation of gamers into... ah, whatever.
During the D2 beta, project leader Max Schaefer came on the diablo newsgroup to address our concerns about lack of protection
from PK's. His stance on that was that PKs were a viable part of the Diablo community and declaring hostile in town only, was adequate protection, while we wanted the option of a friendly only game. Needless to say, we wern't able to persuade him otherwise.
During this conversation I made reference as to why he kept refering to Diablo as an RPG when in fact it wasen't. He got very defensive and said if it wasen't a RPG then why was diablo named RPG of the year by several sites and that D2 is a RPG as well.
I think the main problem is that at the time, Diablo did not have a clear genre to be classified as, and many sites put it into the RPG group because you could choose multiple character types. Blizzard wanted that, RPG Game of the year, and all the perks that come with it.
If they want to call it a RPG, suits me. But it's not.
What is Shogo? Is it recent?Quote:
Originally posted by Ashpool
Smart-guy FPS's (Shogo)
VERY OLD game, about 5 years old. It's also a terrible pain in the posterior trying to get it to run perfectly in XP.Quote:
Originally posted by number1sixerfan
What is Shogo? Is it recent?
But it's fun as can ever be :)
In this case, ignorance is bliss then huh? Does anyone care too terribly much that Diablo 2 isn't a purist's RPG? I thought the point was to have fun playing the game. If kids 20 years from now have started calling FPSs -->RTS games I know I won't really care. Cultures redefine words and their meanings all the time. Just sit back and enjoy. :DQuote:
Originally posted by SE_Saga
It's not that simple, I'm afraid. The point is that TRUE RPG's were born out of Strategy/Wargames. They're an "evolution" of the Strategy genre, where the focus becomes the human element of each "unit" instead of simply its battle prowess. Turning that into a hack n slash (or any Action variant) and you literally change the genre outright. As I said, Action/RPG is an oxymoron, to say the least.
And I ain't bickering... I'm just tired. Tired of seeing this trend getting out of control. It can't be helped... the media claims that game X is a RPG and everyone who reads their reviews is like "well, he's the pro so if he says so it must be right".
Fallout was the closest a computer RPG ever got to a real RPG but, alas, that wasn't enough to settle to genre for the uneducated masses.
W3rdQuote:
Originally posted by Invicta
Does anyone care too terribly much that Diablo 2 isn't a purist's RPG? I thought the point was to have fun playing the game.
What the hell, you forgot to put Fighting Games!!
Well that had been dead on PC for a LONG time. Last good one was One Must Fall, and thats like....so long ago.Quote:
Originally posted by Kamakazie
What the hell, you forgot to put Fighting Games!!
Saga, relax man. Games are about fun arent they? Who cares if its not a true RPG. Its fun! :D
But the fighting genre still lives on in arcades and on console!Quote:
Originally posted by Soldier_Of_Evil
Well that had been dead on PC for a LONG time. Last good one was One Must Fall, and thats like....so long ago.