RPG Fans, I Need Your Advice!

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They're considered RPGs in the video game industry

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True, due to marketing strategies that blind the idiotic masses. Yet, anyone who'd take the time to learn how the RPG genre was born, would know better.

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whoever said that quote is highly uneducated.

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Coming from someone who has no clue of the subject at hand, that opinion means nothing. And if it was meant simply as an insult, then it was weak and pathetic, since it only proves that you can't even backup a point rationally.

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Oh yeah, and you shouldnt quote someone without saying who said it.

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Let's just say I didn't want to go throught the trouble to type it all again. Sue me.

Thanks all for your replies. I did not mean to start an argument. :( I've got Dungeon Siege - wanted to play it really badly after playing the demo, but found it unfulfilling. It was great for the few days I played it through, but re-playability and trying to play it online just sucks. I've also got Heroes III - this from a friend of mine. While it's interesting to play, I don't consider it an RPG at all.

I've played the Freedom Force demo. Didn't care to get the game. I'll look into getting Planescape Torment and Morrowind maybe. Is Morrowind an online game only? Is that the one that sucks your RAM?

I'm d/l'ing the NWN demo now. Over 312 MBs in a zip file! Sheesh. And I'll look into getting the BG series. Oh, and to sublim21, your link to Divine Divinity works ok, but when I try to d/l the demo I get a meesage saying the file is not there. :confused:

No Morrowind is a single player rpg. It looks alot like an FPS, but it has quite a bit of freedom. You can do things at your own pace and you can do whatever you want. I recommend it because of the freedom you get, and the mods the comunity has put out make this game even better. You do need a pretty decent system to run this game well though. I think that your video card makes the biggest difference on this one.

I felt the same way as you did about Dungeon Siege. It was a great looking game, but it just wasnt fun after a while. NWN was the same for me...the story was lame and the online play was fun but was kind of sporadic and inconsistent.

Baldur's Gate and Planescape still have the best story line of any RPG I have played, but they tend to be a little linear.

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Originally posted by SE_Saga


Let's just say I didn't want to go throught the trouble to type it all again. Sue me.

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THEN DON'T QUOTE THEM! God, you can't summarize, or put your interpretation and pass it off as someone elses quote. I think its because your quote is from someone who doesn't have prestige in the gaming industry. So get your quote together, or leave it alone. Furthermore, every major gaming guru, will concede that those games are RPGs. They may be more action oriented, but they're still RPGs.
Uneducated my ***. :mad: :mad:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/summoner/index.html
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/diablo/index.html

At the very least, quote a part of what he said, and then state who said it, and where. Come on man, don't go calling someone uneducated, if you don't know how to quote someone. :mad:

However, i don't care if they are or aren't rpgs. Alot of people recognize them as RPGS. They're fun games, and he might be interested in it.
There simply was no reason to call me Uneducated, and to attack me.

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Originally posted by SE_Saga

Coming from someone who has no clue of the subject at hand, that opinion means nothing. And if it was meant simply as an insult, then it was weak and pathetic, since it only proves that you can't even backup a point rationally.

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This coming from the person who cant understand that while they arent "traditional" RPGs, they are still considered RPGs

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Let's just say I didn't want to go throught the trouble to type it all again. Sue me.

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I didnt say anything about typing it all again, you just need to tell us who said it, and where you got it. Just putting something in a quote box and saying its a quote doesnt necissarily mean its a quote. For example:

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Diablo has set a new standard in RPGs, and in order for any newcomers to the scene to be able to compete, they will have to adhere to these new conventions or suffer a certain failure.

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Originally posted by BlueOval
Thanks all for your replies. I did not mean to start an argument. :(

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You didn't start anything, don't worry. I just rambled into a sidenote and people who are little short on the brain cells went a little wild. Nothing of this was started by you.

The problem is that RPG's became very popular back in the nineties as they started to cause a big impact in the computer/console format. Companies who wanted a "piece of the pie" started to advertise their games as RPG or "half-RPG" just for the sake of appealing to a bigger crowd.

Most gamers nowadays believe that RPG's are this "diverse" genre that spans in many directions simply because they've been fed by the media who also took the advertising as "fact".

The result is what you see today - a butchered genre that's beyond recognition to any true roleplayer.

Sometimes I don't bother with it. Sometimes I do. Sometimes people listen and think about it. Sometimes they seem to be unable to do either. But as the saying goes "talk sense to a fool and he'll call you foolish", so this will be my last post on this subject.

Just want to finish with a few notes:

1 - Sublim21, I didn't "attack you". I called your opinion uneducated. I made it general because there are others who share your opinion. You took it as a personal attack because you wanted it to take it that way.

2 - Also, giving GameSpot as an example is a poor choice. Read my third paragraph in this post. People who work for the media are ordinary players like you and me, with the difference they have access to more games and get payed for it.

3 - Kamakazie, I'm sorry if you can't read. I could spell it out for you but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand anyway. So here's a challenge for you: read my last message again and try to figure out who's the author of my quote. Trust me, the answer is there. Actually, I think Sublim21 didn't understand either, so you can do a little team work there.

Anyway, knock yourselves out.

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Originally posted by SE_Saga
Kamakazie, I'm sorry if you can't read. I could spell it out for you but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand anyway. So here's a challenge for you: read my last message again and try to figure out who's the author of my quote. Trust me, the answer is there. Actually, I think Sublim21 didn't understand either, so you can do a little team work there.

Anyway, knock yourselves out.

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Okay, maybe you can quit being a pompous asshole for one minute and admit that you're wrong when you so clearly are.
I also think that you need to accept the fact that there are different kinds of RPGs, not just one set type. There are action RPGs, traditional RPGs, and console RPGs.

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Originally posted by SE_Saga


You didn't start anything, don't worry. I just rambled into a sidenote and people who are little short on the brain cells went a little wild. Nothing of this was started by you.

The problem is that RPG's became very popular back in the nineties as they started to cause a big impact in the computer/console format. Companies who wanted a "piece of the pie" started to advertise their games as RPG or "half-RPG" just for the sake of appealing to a bigger crowd.

Most gamers nowadays believe that RPG's are this "diverse" genre that spans in many directions simply because they've been fed by the media who also took the advertising as "fact".

The result is what you see today - a butchered genre that's beyond recognition to any true roleplayer.

Sometimes I don't bother with it. Sometimes I do. Sometimes people listen and think about it. Sometimes they seem to be unable to do either. But as the saying goes "talk sense to a fool and he'll call you foolish", so this will be my last post on this subject.

Just want to finish with a few notes:

1 - Sublim21, I didn't "attack you". I called your opinion uneducated. I made it general because there are others who share your opinion. You took it as a personal attack because you wanted it to take it that way.

2 - Also, giving GameSpot as an example is a poor choice. Read my third paragraph in this post. People who work for the media are ordinary players like you and me, with the difference they have access to more games and get payed for it.

3 - Kamakazie, I'm sorry if you can't read. I could spell it out for you but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand anyway. So here's a challenge for you: read my last message again and try to figure out who's the author of my quote. Trust me, the answer is there. Actually, I think Sublim21 didn't understand either, so you can do a little team work there.

Anyway, knock yourselves out.

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Alright man, you called me uneducated, if as you say, it wasn't personal, then what you said here surely is. Short on brain cells? You still haven't said who made that quote, or quoted it correctly or done nothing but flame. Not only did you flame in this thread but in another thread.
Furthermore, a majority of the gaming population state that these games are rpgs, then they're rpgs. Rpg stands for Role Playing Games, and technically every game is an rpg. However, the term RPG as previously in the other thread, has come to mean games where characters level up. Sure some are more core rpgs, and some are action oriented, but still, a majority of the gaming population recognizes all of them as rpgs.

Also, Like it or not, gamespot is recognized as a important figure in the gaming industry. As discussed in last weeks, Gamespotting, the gaming industry really doesn't have a centralized authority like movies. So its kind of up in the air, and any decisions, is based primarily upon popular opinion of the community, which states these games are rpgs.

Now, i never had the intention of fighting with you, i replied to this thread to help a guy out. You may not consider them rpgs, but alot do. And alot of people who like rpgs, or games in general, thorougly enjoy Diablo, so i suggested it.
There was no reason to make a flaming remark towards me, or towards people with similiar views.
Im not asking for an apology, just recognize that there are different opinions, and you shouldn't flame like a child. Rather, discuss your point of view calmy, and coherently. "Uneducate", "short on brain cells" does not do this, and only undermines your argument.

That gamespotting article can be found here.
The other article being discussed can be foundhere.
And one more thing, thanks for number 3 in your last post. Its not our job to decipher your message or to guess where your quotes come from. Hand in an english paper with that kind of logic and you'll be laughed at.

Lol, dont bother with saga guys. Games are made for fun. ANyone who is that serious about games who dosent not work for the gaming industry has gotta have no life.

EDIT: I read his posts again. So Saga, you are the One True RolePlayer (TM) eh? :D

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Originally posted by Soldier_Of_Evil
Lol, dont bother with saga guys. Games are made for fun. ANyone who is that serious about games who dosent not work for the gaming industry has gotta have no life.

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Yeah, but it pisses me off when people make such uneducated statements and then dare call those who disagree incompetant.

Whatever his views are, its his flaming that makes me angry. But its not going to stop me from gaming. :D

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who dosent not work for the gaming industry

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If only you knew...

Anyway, Sublim... answer me this: If 50 people defend that the earth is flat and 5 say it's round, who's right? According to your logic, that would be the majority who "think so".

That's the kind of reasoning that led me to use certain comments which, although true, may come out as uncalled flaming - for that alone, I apologize.

However, it's funny to notice that all of you flamed just as much or more... and yet it seems to be ok since you agree with each other.

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Originally posted by SE_Saga


If only you knew...

Anyway, Sublim... answer me this: If 50 people defend that the earth is flat and 5 say it's round, who's right? According to your logic, that would be the majority who "think so".

That's the kind of reasoning that led me to use certain comments which, although true, may come out as uncalled flaming - for that alone, I apologize.

However, it's funny to notice that all of you flamed just as much or more... and yet it seems to be ok since you agree with each other.

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Your comparison is flawed. The earth being flat, is a scientific fact, not a gaming term that is ambiguous. My Logic, is that "rpg" is a gaming term, that is not clear, or well defined. For this reason many have differing opinions on what it is. Therefore, majority rules. The earth not being flat, is a well defined, unambiguious fact, and a poor comparison.
Also my response, is argumentative against you, but not flaming. Flaming is going "Uneducated" "Few Brain Cells" etc. Any sentence, word or such, that attacks someone with out being backed up with facts.
"Not in the gaming industry", ok, if popular opinion was with you, perhaps that would make sense. But popular opinion is siding with them. The gaming community is generally a smart one (not a flame towards you) that defines itself. Those who 'work' for the industry, meet the gaming population demands, and feed us what we want, because they need us. Its not as fascist as other industries, such as the movie industry.
If you have a differing opinion, make a strong argumentative statement as to why it isn't. So far, in my opinion this has not been done. Erronious quotes, flaming, etc. have greatly diminished your point of view. Stop the flaming, and make a stand. This is not a flame, but a request for you to clearly state your point of view, with facts.

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If you have a differing opinion, make a strong argumentative statement as to why it isn't. So far, in my opinion this has not been done.

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Have you ever read any of Gary Gigax works (not the games)? Or any other author? As you can probably guess, it's virtually impossible to post the content of a full book in a forum message. Even if it was possible, it would be too time consuming to do so. I did, however, stated a FACT back in my earlier post which I QUOTED back in this thread about the nature of the genre.

This got out of hand the minute you people decided to disregard that and go on a flaming spree. Yes, I've been flamed as well, although you seem to be partial to ignore it.

You want facts. Yet you don't accept them because they were stated by me. In that case, I'm left with one option - to point you to some sources and hope you take the time to consult them.

- There are good books on RolePlaying that you can find on most good bookstores. Amazon carried some of these, at least sometime ago.

- Anything by Gary Gigax. He's the official "father" of the genre.

- Most sites and forums related to D&D. A search engine is helpful, but Wizards.com is also a good start.

After you see how the genre started, who started, how it evolved, and how it came into the computer/console format... then maybe we can talk under the same perspective.