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I heard that the Abit IC7 along with all the others are having problems using corsair memory or something?? Can anyone back this up? I also heard that the Granitebay overclocked can achieve the same results as the newest chipset. Has anyone heard if you can overclock these new bad boys? I hear with granitebay you can overclock to 200mhz which is equal to 800FSB. ANy word on this?
Oh yea does this motherboard have firewire??Abit IC7
Also i hear the Vcore is set at a certain voltage on all the new boards comeing out for the 800FSB.
My Gigabyte Canterwood board works great with Corsair PC3200, PC3500 and Kingston HyperX PC3000...
You can overclock a GraniteBay to Canterwood speeds, but Canterwood has extra mem dividers for 533 chips...
Also the new Canterwood offers support for the newer processors, I know my Canterwood lowest voltage is under 1.0v which is amazing.. I wonder when Intel will release such a chip for the 478 socket!
I dont quite understand what you last question is about the certain voltage on all new boards... I know a lot of the new boards vcpu is limited to only 1.60v
Also the only way to get a GraniteBay to even 200Mhz is, if the CPU can even boot that high.. Some can, Most cannot...
We are not even going into the added features of the 875P over the 7205 chipset :)
I am staying away from the Asus board for those same two reasons. What other board should I be looking at that meet these? I know the abit does, but what about the gibabyte one?Quote:
Originally posted by natgun
first and foremost, i love asus, i think thier stability and reliability are second to none. that being said, i am dissapointed with the p4c800 for the following reasons:
1, no native serial ata raid on the southbridge, not sure why asus went this route. they include a secondary SATA raid controller onboard the mobo, but this is limited by the PCI interface. 2 wd raptors in raid0 would be severely bottlenecked by the pci bus.
3, no CSA integrated lan on the northbridge. for a home network this isnt a big deal whatsoever, but it would be nice for the northbridge to take care of the network stress. every percent of processor usage saved by chipset optimizations is more power to my applications.
note: I will not be overclocking
If you not going to be overclocking, then the best boards would be the Intel boards :)
what does the serial raid do anyway?...i might get the p4c800 or the ic7 so i want to see if i will be using the missing features or not...Quote:
Originally posted by natgun
first and foremost, i love asus, i think thier stability and reliability are second to none. that being said, i am dissapointed with the p4c800 for the following reasons:
1, no native serial ata raid on the southbridge, not sure why asus went this route. they include a secondary SATA raid controller onboard the mobo, but this is limited by the PCI interface. 2 wd raptors in raid0 would be severely bottlenecked by the pci bus.
2, voltage increases only to 1.65 volts. it sayes 1.6 in bios but asus overvolts by .05 while this isnt as big a deal for me as the raid situation, its still dissapointing.
3, no CSA integrated lan on the northbridge. for a home network this isnt a big deal whatsoever, but it would be nice for the northbridge to take care of the network stress. every percent of processor usage saved by chipset optimizations is more power to my applications.
right now i am taking a long hard look at the abit ic7-g. i have no experience with abit boards, but i am willing to make a switch for the above features. the serial ata raid situation really pisses me off. who knows, maybe asus will come out with a springdale board with the raid option on the southbridge, but for right now, i feel let down by the p4c800.
By bios issues I meant only for the P4C800.... I read at several placed that flashing the BIOs to version 1.04 had fried the board and they had to RMA it....
Also I wouldnt get it cuz its a lil overpriced... and natgun posted more reasons why I wouldnt get it.. Just go with the Abit man, its cheap, loaded, and amazing. ;)
is the p4c800 on teh level of the ic7 or ic7-g?...for me its eitehr ic7-g or p4c800 and im buying in a couple weeks frmo now
the problem is that the pci bus is limited to 133MB/s bandwidth. i wanted to get 2 western digital raptors and use them in a raid0 configuration. these 2 drives in raid0 average something like 160MB/s throughput, and can spike to 200MB/s. using the secondary onboard PCI serial ata controller on the p4c800 would mean that i would be loosing anywhere from 10%-40% of the performance of the drives. if these drives were using the native serial ata controllers on the southbridge, the max throughput of these connectors is 150MB/s EACH for a grand total of 300MB/s possible throughput. im not saying that the secondary SATA controller wont be fast, just not fast enough for me. pluss the southbridge would bypass the PCI bus altogether, meaning less CPU cycles used up by accessing the SATA drives. the other 2 reasons i listed piss me off to a lesser degree, but i still feel cheated on an otherwise great board.
in short, if you wanna run RAID0, then the integrated controller on the southbridge is FAR superior to any PCI based solution.
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Originally posted by natgun
the problem is that the pci bus is limited to 133MB/s bandwidth. i wanted to get 2 western digital raptors and use them in a raid0 configuration. these 2 drives in raid0 average something like 160MB/s throughput, and can spike to 200MB/s. using the secondary onboard PCI serial ata controller on the p4c800 would mean that i would be loosing anywhere from 10%-40% of the performance of the drives. if these drives were using the native serial ata controllers on the southbridge, the max throughput of these connectors is 150MB/s EACH for a grand total of 300MB/s possible throughput. im not saying that the secondary SATA controller wont be fast, just not fast enough for me. pluss the southbridge would bypass the PCI bus altogether, meaning less CPU cycles used up by accessing the SATA drives. the other 2 reasons i listed piss me off to a lesser degree, but i still feel cheated on an otherwise great board.
in short, if you wanna run RAID0, then the integrated controller on the southbridge is FAR superior to any PCI based solution.
how does the ic7-g use raid adn does it have problems like those above?
the ic7-g doesnt have any of the flaws that the p4c800 has, from all the info i have seen on it, it is the best canterwood board out right now, it has the serial ata raid incorporated into the southbridge, it has core voltage adjustments up to 1.9v and it has the intel gigabit ethernet incorporated into the northbridge. it has every feature that i want. if i had to buy a canterwood motherboard right now, i would get the abit ic7-g, it looks great on paper, and from what ive been seeing from owners, it performs great too.
IMO, the only reason why the ABIT IC7 is better then my Gigabyte board is the extra vcpu :) Other then that I would choose Gigabyte over ABIT... I just had a string of good mobo's from Gigabyte recently.. its hard to switch when such a good thing is going on :)Quote:
Originally posted by natgun
the ic7-g doesnt have any of the flaws that the p4c800 has, from all the info i have seen on it, it is the best canterwood board out right now, it has the serial ata raid incorporated into the southbridge, it has core voltage adjustments up to 1.9v and it has the intel gigabit ethernet incorporated into the northbridge. it has every feature that i want. if i had to buy a canterwood motherboard right now, i would get the abit ic7-g, it looks great on paper, and from what ive been seeing from owners, it performs great too.
no experience with gigabyte, not sure if i trust em.
with that serial raid do i have to set it up?...or would the only way to set up mah hard drives is with serial raid way?...im asking becuase i have only seen and done hard drives set ups the onlder way with no raidQuote:
Originally posted by natgun
the ic7-g doesnt have any of the flaws that the p4c800 has, from all the info i have seen on it, it is the best canterwood board out right now, it has the serial ata raid incorporated into the southbridge, it has core voltage adjustments up to 1.9v and it has the intel gigabit ethernet incorporated into the northbridge. it has every feature that i want. if i had to buy a canterwood motherboard right now, i would get the abit ic7-g, it looks great on paper, and from what ive been seeing from owners, it performs great too.
I take it that you have worked out the problems you was having with that board when you first set it up? I think I read something in your thread that you didn't know if you would send the Gigabyte back or not is why I ask. It was like 4 or 5 page thread I think......Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
IMO, the only reason why the ABIT IC7 is better then my Gigabyte board is the extra vcpu :) Other then that I would choose Gigabyte over ABIT... I just had a string of good mobo's from Gigabyte recently.. its hard to switch when such a good thing is going on :)
Paul