I also think we should have more Pifast competitions.:)
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I also think we should have more Pifast competitions.:)
Yep that would be fun, and I'm sure there would be only one person here who would go OTT about the results. :) On the subject of him, this is just another thread of his that really pissed me off in so much that he is telling us something that most of us already know for a fact, but also totally skewing them too. :mad:Quote:
Originally posted by vertices
I also think we should have more Pifast competitions.:)
Does this hold true in rela world applications?Quote:
Originally posted by vertices
Trust me man....I've been 3D Markin for a long time. Yes FSB is very important but so is raw speed.
Believe me, I understand how a bus works.;)
Of course it does.Quote:
Originally posted by Mancora
Does this hold true in rela world applications?
If all that mattered is fsb then we'd be fine right now with a 200mhz CPU at 1x200.
Raw speed matters. Just run some Super Pi, or folding@home. Raw CPU speed is just as important as fsb.
Hey lostlilchild your forgot one thing...
Eat(TM) is a registered trademark of Thunderbird1Ghz and cannot be used without the trademark label (TM).
Actually 3dmark is not great for proving much...it does show how your computer will run in a simulated game environment but not much else. There is alot more to take into consideration...but 3dmark is usually very responsive to fsb change...if the processor is of reasonable speed id rather have 30 more mhz fsb than i would 200 more mhz from the processor.Quote:
Originally posted by vertices
Trust me man....I've been 3D Markin for a long time. Yes FSB is very important but so is raw speed.
Believe me, I understand how a bus works.;)
kirkyg
Again with these flame hungry threads..
So guys, hows the whats your plans for the weekend?? :D
raw MHz matters in specific apps, obviously superPI and whatever does not use the video card or the ram, just the cpu for number crunching. Games use everything and games also love fast ram and lots and lots of ram bandwith this is why an increase of 1MHz to the fsb gains me more than 10MHz increase on the cpu. 33fsb is equivelent to 333MHz, thus xp3000s run 200fsb for 2.2GHz while xp2700 at 166fsb and 2.16GHz. 200fsb and 1800MHz is just as fast in games as 166fsb and 2.16GHz or stock xp2700 speeds :)
wow, 3dmark taught you all of that? Gotta hand it to futuremark, they sure know how to make people "smart." 33fsb = 333mhz...I like that. 1mHz on the FSB = 10 raw mHz, I like that also.Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
raw MHz matters in specific apps, obviously superPI and whatever does not use the video card or the ram, just the cpu for number crunching. Games use everything and games also love fast ram and lots and lots of ram bandwith this is why an increase of 1MHz to the fsb gains me more than 10MHz increase on the cpu. 33fsb is equivelent to 333MHz, thus xp3000s run 200fsb for 2.2GHz while xp2700 at 166fsb and 2.16GHz. 200fsb and 1800MHz is just as fast in games as 166fsb and 2.16GHz or stock xp2700 speeds :)
True, FSB does make things better...what's funny is how you just realized that now. You're too funny...you should make your own tech site or write articles for [H] or something. Brilliant evaluation!
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Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
raw MHz matters in specific apps, obviously superPI and whatever does not use the video card or the ram, just the cpu for number crunching. Games use everything and games also love fast ram and lots and lots of ram bandwith this is why an increase of 1MHz to the fsb gains me more than 10MHz increase on the cpu. 33fsb is equivelent to 333MHz, thus xp3000s run 200fsb for 2.2GHz while xp2700 at 166fsb and 2.16GHz. 200fsb and 1800MHz is just as fast in games as 166fsb and 2.16GHz or stock xp2700 speeds :)
On the contrary, it isn’t superpi that is the exception here it’s 3Dmark. 3Dmark was never designed to be a CPU benchmark, and isn’t particularly representative of the type of work a CPU will do in game.
While games are often more sensitive to memory performance then may other apps, they still scaled anywhere between .6 and .7 with CPU clock rate the lat I checked (I.E. a 10% increase in clock rate yields a 6%-7% increase in performance.) This in indicative of a task that is still primarily CPU bound. I am of course referring to low resolution here, since hi image quality benchmarks are more often GPU bound.
I gain about .4 or 4% more performance per 10% increase on clock speeds, I tried that out
thunderbird, what if i told you i get 12,700 marks with all of my hardware at stock speeds except for my geforce 4? my 2100+ at 1.73, (133x13.0) but with my video card overclocked? Wouldn't that prove that you need a combination of fsb, clock speed, and a fast video card to score high? So really, fsb is not everything. My old tbird was holding me back because it couldn't do higher clock speed. Even though it did 200 fsb.
wow not bad. of course if you ran 200x8 for 1.6GHz youd blow a stock xp2100 outta the water big time :) also use that kt333 of yours and run 166fsb for 2.16GHz, that should get you like 14k marks which is plenty :)
I could swear I had more IQ points before reading this...Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
raw MHz matters in specific apps, obviously superPI and whatever does not use the video card or the ram, just the cpu for number crunching. Games use everything and games also love fast ram and lots and lots of ram bandwith this is why an increase of 1MHz to the fsb gains me more than 10MHz increase on the cpu. 33fsb is equivelent to 333MHz, thus xp3000s run 200fsb for 2.2GHz while xp2700 at 166fsb and 2.16GHz. 200fsb and 1800MHz is just as fast in games as 166fsb and 2.16GHz or stock xp2700 speeds :)
ummmm...last i checked, .4=40%Quote:
I gain about .4 or 4% more performance per 10% increase on clock speeds, I tried that out
Dude, there's no way a T-Bird at 200x8 could smoke a 2100+ at 166x13
I don't get you, people toss allllll this info at you and actually back it up with proof and somehow you find a way to make yourself think the bs you post is true.
Though I do have to commend you. Through your misguided attempts of showing off your rig, I have learned some valuable stuff from the others posting on your topics.
err I said stock xp2100. 1.6GHz on 200fsb has a 667MHz advantage over 133fsb or 333MHz over 166 so 200x8=1600 or 166x11.5=1909(a bit slower) or 133x17=2261. 1GHz at 200fsb is like a stock xp2000 at 1.66GHz on 133fsb :)