AGAIN :) Cheap Duali is here and in I875

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Originally posted by Colossus
I also wouldnt call it a server board.. More like a lowend Workstation board...

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yes and thats exactly what I am looking at..

all the years behind I allways wanted a cheap home workstation PC

I dont really need the PCI-X slots I allways hoped for the release of a budget dual processor ATX motherboard I need it only for dual processing not server or PCI-X or SCSI etc..
I use 3dmax, photoshop and movie editing software...
and I needed it to be a small PC in ATX not huge EATX...

I kept asking my self why arent they doing it??? I cant afford a 4000$ workstation with useless PCI-X expensive scsi controller and harddisk etc why ignoring this part of the market.. now it is here first tyan offered the ATX low duali and now ASUS follows which is good

I also play games and this is an all in one solution and now that it is dual 333DDRAM and 533cpu it is not that difference really...

and believe me dont consider that 10% more speed in games (800MHZ vs 533MHZ) a big winner dual cpu machine will make u forget it forever
it is a cool experience when u use one u ll stick with it

in the past dualis were really slow in games etc had no AGP slots and only 100MHZ fsb and no cool options like SATA Fire wire or USB2 or 5.1 sound etc now it is here and this is cool

and believe me since the HT is now a STANARD in P4 the software houses will follow supporting it that time all the applications will use the "real" dual processor since they ll be ready for HT and HT is a logical dual processor use .. so expect all the software from office to games to every thng to support dualis by default... that time not only 3dmax or movie editing will support it but all

u ll see the difference by then

also, I think dualis will replace singles in the near future and they r shifing too it the HT is the beginning to make software support it then all will support dualis by default even games

and finally... dont judge dualis if u never touched one of them they r cool.. if u cant afford dual 3G go dual 2.4 or dual 2.6 the duali experience is somthing else...

and at last it is coming to home users

the system divides the work between the cpus so u ll never experience the shattery performance when u run more and more applications at the same time..

anyway

and plz try it b4 u judge it... and now that the raptor SATA is here it is cheaper and cheaper

for a gaming machine it is cool too but not at the top but who cares? a minus 10% vs experience of duali???

I thought games had to have special software to take advantage of duel processors?

another thing...

dont u think that the speed of the processors has a limit a barrier?
the more Hz the more heat it has to stop somewhere ... Intel cant go up to 10GHZ or 20GHZ processors in the future even technology has limits (heat problem) so the only solution I think for home users in after say 10 years will be multi processors... unles they move to photonic processors but I doubt that cos that would be very expensive to bring to home compared to dual/multi processors

I think I can add my personal experience to this.

A long time ago (like, 98 or 99) I built a "consumer level" dual P2 450 system, which fit in a regular ATX case. It was a Gigabyte motherboard, and it only cost me 150 bucks. I can't remember what I paid for the procs, but it wasn't too much. I don't care what anyone says but this machine was FAST. In EVERY application it would completely blow away my dad's 550Mhz K6-2, which had a much faster hard drive and I think he was running PC133 RAM (I know for sure mine was PC100). Both systems had 128 MB's of RAM, and strangely enough both were running windows 98 (Which claims not to take advantage of a 2nd processer - I didn't know any better at the time :D). So while none of the applications I was running took advantage of the 2nd proc, it was certainly doing something lol.

This post has made me intersted in dual procs again...as much as I hate intel they are kicking AMD's arse right now so I might try something like this out. Dualies with HT on XP pro would be very interesting.

There somthing strange about this board

I made some research and found out that the i875 supports P4 and not Xeons.

I sent email to Intel and they said it supports only P4 and they dont know how Asus did it. I asked Asus and they didnt reply at all

hmm

I hope this one is fully compatable and really faster than the I7505 chipset for dual xeons..

what do u think guys? is it possible? anyway I dont think ASUS would japordize their NAme that easy.. may be their engineers r realy smart or...??

I hope some one tests this mobo and compare it to the i7505 mobo the i7505 is also available with full options and ATX with standard PCI from Tyan, but for 100$ more and it is 2x266DDRAM
if the asus with 2x333DDRAM and less100$ really works then Bravo

any one knows about a site that tests dual mobos? or a forum?

That board DOES NOT accept a standard P4 478-pin processor... XEON ONLY!!!!

Since they are the only board maker that is producing a i875 board for a dual xeon config.. I wouldnt buy it until some more info or review is out.. Something like that is not worth being a test subject :)

Also I prefer just to get a 2.8c or 3.00 over a dual 2.4 or whatnot.. Who cares about true SMP support for a simple desktop... Most is not worth the extra cash :)

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Originally posted by Colossus
That board DOES NOT accept a standard P4 478-pin processor... XEON ONLY!!!!

Since they are the only board maker that is producing a i875 board for a dual xeon config.. I wouldnt buy it until some more info or review is out.. Something like that is not worth being a test subject :)

Also I prefer just to get a 2.8c or 3.00 over a dual 2.4 or whatnot.. Who cares about true SMP support for a simple desktop... Most is not worth the extra cash :)

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1-...I CARE

2-I think this forum should be called "gaming PCs forum" not "general Hardware forum"

3-who said anything about Simple desktop??? did I say so? again this is not "simple desktop forum"

4-I am talking about smooth running PC and the entrance of dualis to home for the first time I paid for my P4 machine more than a year ago the same price of a duali today with the same frequency and DUAL... it is true that the uni is becoming cheaper and cheaper but I paid 2000$ for a single processor P4 2.5/533 machine 1.5 years ago and now I can get Dual 2.4 for the same price and thats somthing we cant ignore
if u cant imagine this then I am sorry for u

which is better for me now a single 2.53 or dual 2.4? at the time I bought my PC the dual 2.4 were around 3500$ minimum 1500$ less in a year or so is a big breakthrough

anyway...

and I do run many progs together all the time and this make my pc skippy regardless of cpu speed...

Ok what ever dude...

You get whatever will suit your needs... But it is not the best solution for everyone...

A Dual processor setup would run just as well as a overclocked chip with HT...

But whatever floats your boat... I remember some of your older posts which was totally wrong dealing with dualies...

But then buy it and have fun... Nothing more to say..

>>>>>You get whatever will suit your needs... But it is not the best solution for everyone...

its a free country

>>>>>>A Dual processor setup would run just as well as a overclocked chip with HT...

This talk need to be proven pal... physical Processors VS logical??? also...unstable OC VS powerfull stable duali??? I wonder whos making mistakes here

>>>>>But whatever floats your boat... I remember some of your older posts which was totally wrong dealing with dualies...

I dont remember that. Dont go cheap on ur arguments...that was flaming

>>>But then buy it and have fun... Nothing more to say..

see ya

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Originally posted by sna
another thing...

dont u think that the speed of the processors has a limit a barrier?
the more Hz the more heat it has to stop somewhere ... Intel cant go up to 10GHZ or 20GHZ processors in the future even technology has limits (heat problem) so the only solution I think for home users in after say 10 years will be multi processors... unles they move to photonic processors but I doubt that cos that would be very expensive to bring to home compared to dual/multi processors

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That is partly why they are working on 20 or so cores on one chip.

Eric

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Originally posted by sna
>>>>>You get whatever will suit your needs... But it is not the best solution for everyone...

its a free country

>>>>>>A Dual processor setup would run just as well as a overclocked chip with HT...

This talk need to be proven pal... physical Processors VS logical??? also...unstable OC VS powerfull stable duali??? I wonder whos making mistakes here

>>>>>But whatever floats your boat... I remember some of your older posts which was totally wrong dealing with dualies...

I dont remember that. Dont go cheap on ur arguments...that was flaming

>>>But then buy it and have fun... Nothing more to say..

see ya

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Dude, You dont remember that thread over in CPU (if I got my section correct) The statements you were making were totally off the wall and false.. But hey you can have selected memory :D

Also who said anything about overclocking be unstable? We both know that a dual 2.4Ghz processor DOES NOT EQUAL 5GHZ.... Hever has and never will.. With current technology...

BTW: You are mistaken sorry...

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Originally posted by Colossus


Dude, You dont remember that thread over in CPU (if I got my section correct) The statements you were making were totally off the wall and false.. But hey you can have selected memory :D

Also who said anything about overclocking be unstable? We both know that a dual 2.4Ghz processor DOES NOT EQUAL 5GHZ.... Hever has and never will.. With current technology...

BTW: You are mistaken sorry...

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nope my statements were right..anyway

also, If u hate dualies that much dont get one that simple

and finally, I am saying that the dualis experience is more important than some 10% more speed ... I am talking all in one machine for guys who use heavy cpu demanding software like rendering and movie editing and AT the same time want to play games and enjoy a normal PC AAAAANNNNNDDDD not crazy freaks who r willing to buy or keep three PCs at the same time...thats all...(incase u tell me buy one for work and one for play..) the price of additional CPU is nothing compared if u buy a whole other system with monitor,HD,VGA etc...

and hey I ve seen ur 3 systems full blazing systems with top hardware and I dont think the additional price of a processor would harm ur budget..I think ur only flaming cos u dont like the IDEA.
anyway I am waiting for the price of 2.8GHZ xeon to go down to 350$ then I am making my dual,...

I wonder If I can OC it but I think it is dangerous... maybe the xeons r locked too but who cares...

the duali give u 30-60% increase in performance depending on the software PLUS real Multitasking not logical (run in background) one.
so it is not only performance issue it is the way u use the pc another experience... other dimensions...

the 2.4 will act like 3.6 on some software, (but again the dual 2.4 is the same price of single 3.0 which need to be overclocked)

the 2.8 will act like 4.2 or so and I am getting this one

add to it the real multitasking and that u get 4 processors (the xeons r ht too) then u have 2 physical and 2 logical

this is faaaar beyond P4... a real cool experience

it is like when we used 2D graphics then the 3D came in a whole new experience

dualis r cool experience...

Interesting conversation going on here. Just short of a flame war. I have been running dually's since the BP6(still running 2-366@500) and I have to say that a dual rig is a lot more "usable". Don't know if that's the right word but it really takes a lot to bring this machine I'm on right now to its knees. If you build them right they will not run any faster than a single but they can sure multitask better. That's the biggest misconception of most folks. A dual rig doesn't clock any faster it just multi tasks better. I have a bunch of 8-way Compaq 760's at work in an Exchange cluster that I have not been able to really stress test to their knees. They just keep chugging along.

That's really the big advantage of the dual machine.... Multitasking.

I think the more striking thing to me was going from Win2k to Linux. This box just flies now. I am getting a little dated on my box now; its a Dual P3 with 1.5gig of ram. I also run a 360 SCSI card and that really makes a difference. This thing boots pretty quick. I am waiting for Tyan to come out with their dual Opteron with an AGP slot(if they do). That will be fun!!!!

>>>>That is partly why they are working on 20 or so cores on one chip.

Eric,

how much up can they go??? there is a barrier I am sure...

unless the processor is twice bigger ie 2 in one ;)

anyway in theo. what is the limit do u know?

using the same tech...I doubt it...