several exciting new things at end of year

Intel may release the prescott at 3.2GHz and 3.4GHz for now then spend the next few months trying to get the next ones to run at a lower voltage, perhaps 1.2v so they make alot less heat, then the 3.6 and 3.8GHz wont make any more heat than the 3.4 additionally they can then go 65nm afterwards. It seems the a64s are dogs when it comes to ocing, also if Intel is right about the prescotts, they will be like 25% faster than the northwoods MHz per MHz and if the 2GHz a64 matches a 3.0c northwood, a prescott at 3.4GHz is gonna blow the 2GHz a64 by like a third! amd would need a 2.8GHz a64 to match a 3.4GHz prescott if Intels claims hold true. right now the barton 2.2GHz matches a 2.8c thats why people go Intel for high end, they have an edge right now. If the 3.4GHz prescott overclocks well and performs well, they will hold the performance crown. end of this year will get very interesting with new cpus and gpus :)

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Originally posted by TimisoaraKill
Yes , i did not read this post anymore , from what i understand they will launch the 2.2 and 2.4 in the next 3 monts and the the first A64s will be in fact non certified server Opterons .
As for Presscott i also think that they will redesign the whole CPU , Intel is not stupid to launch such stuff in the market since you will need to start with the setup you mentioned or watercooling to cool this huge heat .
I still hawe no ideea why some people can't understand that from A64 release AMD will take the crown , people forget fast ,... when Intel had the flagship @ 1 Ghz , AMD was the king with 1.4 CPU's .
You bet that 2.4 A64 will occ @ 2.6 ,...Intel will never be able to beat such Cpu in the near future .
I dont hawe nothing against Intel , dont get me wrong but so far i think that this is the true about future CPU;s .

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Yeah, the point is AMD ALWAYS is gonna release such and such in "a few months", and then it's delayed, delayed some more, and released slower than originally anticipated. Also, your backward look in time is quite off...AMD and Intel got to 1 Ghz within 1 DAY of each other, and amd did get up to 1.2 before the Intel moved to the P4 line, not 1.4. AMD caught Intel with a mature core when intel switched to a new architecture(sound familiar? AMD's the one with a new architecture this time and with very little about chipsets and the like shown(and with what I heard about the k8 systems and quakecon, theres not a whole lot of stability on the chipset front)). What you think is gonna happen goes against all past history of the companies in question, and is full of a lot of IMO poor thought out speculation. Look back at the past 20 years of CPU's, and you'll see why. People laughed when I said .13 would get amd to 2.2 or so(back when 1.4-1.5 was the top end)...and I was right. People thought I was nuts when I said Nvidia was poised to lose it's crown with NV30 17 months before it debuted...and I was right. You think AMD is gonna get more Mhz out of a more complex core at the same process?...very doubtful. If Intel is having difficulty going to .09 that speaks volumes about AMD getting there any time soon(as Intel usually is a year ahead of AMD with process changes, and if AMD is a year away from .09 hammers that doesn't bode well for them in the scaling up the k8 quickly). Your post sounds like blind fanboyism with little substance other than inquirer "sneak peaks, rumors, and speculations". You tell what you think is gonna happen, but you don't give one single plausible reason to support why you think that. Oh well, I love serving crow.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
[B]1. pci express. it might appear on high end mobos at end of 2003. It should be on all mobos by end of 2004.

This will NOT happen. The chipsets that allow PCI Express arent even due till mid 2004.

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Yeah, the point is AMD ALWAYS is gonna release such and such in "a few months", and then it's delayed, delayed some more, and released slower than originally anticipated.....

You think AMD is gonna get more Mhz out of a more complex core at the same process?...very doubtful. If Intel is having difficulty going to .09 that speaks volumes about AMD getting there any time soon(as Intel usually is a year ahead of AMD with process changes, and if AMD is a year away from .09 hammers that doesn't bode well for them in the scaling up the k8 quickly).

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AMD has already delayed the A64 like 3x, it's time to get it outta the door ;). Right now it is in full production and reports are that the yeilds are very good. I see no reason why it wouldn't be on time.

As for AMD having trouble with .09u manufacturing...well, they aren't doing it themselves this time. IBM has been a leader in pushing fabrication tech forward and they arguably have some of the best fabs in the world. Those fabs are going to be pushing out .09u A64s and Opterons.

PS. Sometimes people learn from history ;)

10. Low response rate (16ms and lower) large LCDs. Sharp's releasing a 20" one next month, I believe, in Japan- 16ms response rate, and it's a S-IPS panel, not the lousy TN-dithering panels that the 17" panels are using (figured that was appropriate, seeing as this IS the video card & monitors board).

Yeah, this thread should really be moved to the cpu forum...

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AMD has already delayed the A64 like 3x, it's time to get it outta the door ;). Right now it is in full production and reports are that the yeilds are very good. I see no reason why it wouldn't be on time.

As for AMD having trouble with .09u manufacturing...well, they aren't doing it themselves this time. IBM has been a leader in pushing fabrication tech forward and they arguably have some of the best fabs in the world. Those fabs are going to be pushing out .09u A64s and Opterons.

PS. Sometimes people learn from history ;)

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Didn't something just come out the other day that A64 isn't gonna be available in volume till the new year?

I know it's gotta get out the door, but 2.0 I believe will be the fastest at launch, and it'll be some time before something faster comes out.

I also know they're going with IBM, and I think that will help them transistion sooner(maybe get them 6-9 months behind Intel instead of 12-15), but I don't think IBM will get them to overcome the problems any quicker than Intel(I'd say IBM and Intel roughly on par, but IBM has to make AMD's design work with the process rather than Intel being able to design for their Intel's own process).

From what I hear, the .13 a64s wont be worth buying unless you want another 15% faster rig and a bad overclocker. the 90nm ones are to get excited over in q2 of 2004