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Very interesting. I always thought that the IHS was a good thing. I can see how it can heat up the air inside the IHS and that has nowhere to go. Won't be long before we start cutting heat vents. hehe So that heat sink works for both the bare core and IHS?
Probably any heatsink that uses bolts will work with a chip without it's IHS. I like the IHS only because there is less to worry about during install/removal.Quote:
Originally Posted by camaro
Must resist the temptation to buy a new HSF and void my warranty....;)
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I see chuck - the K8s only have 2 screws - and you install the supplied H clip to the HS and that gets screwed down to the the old retention mechanism's threaded holes, in effect, applying pressure to the the center of the HS
....the K7s use the 4 bolt through holes and standoffs (and the P4s too it seems) ...as also seen in those links I posted.
The ECS mobo I got is the mATX K8M800-M2 (the one in the Fry deal)
BTW - ThermalTake has this installation guide PDF :)
http://www.thermaltake.com/support/i...ig_Typhoon.pdf
Yeah, that's exactly right I4one. You just gotta find the bolt on HSFs so that the lower height of the core compared to the IHS isn't gonna mess up your contact.
Basically the whole point is for lower temperatures and (hopefully) a better overclock. The IHS is actually quite thick and the thermal interface material just plain sucks. So obviously the thought out there is that direct contact should (and does) make for better heat transfer than core->IHS->heatsink. There's just one less interface for heat to be insulated.
Primate: Yeah, the mobile chips do work as long as you have the screw in type HSF. The SLK-948U seems quite popular. While still pretty heavy, it's not as bulky and large as the Big Typhoon.
How heavy is that thing chuck ?
-- kinda eluding to my "weight" hanging off the mobo, when mounted vertically as is a tower, question again :)
*edit;
-- for all others following along that don't quite understand what's going on
this is Chuck's screenie of the A64 with the IHS attached;
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../a64victim.jpg
this, on the Right, shows the IHS flipped over onto it's face (notice the rounded edges)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2/a64-ihs1.jpg
and on the Left is the $ shot (the a64 core - what lies beneath the IHS covering) - the pins of the CPU are face down
Thermaltake says that the heatsink+fan is slightly over 800g. Not exactly conforming to AMD's 450g weight restrictions, but heh, you can't have everything.
Oh and I4one, I think that second pic you have there is the same as the first. ;)
doh! ...:eek:
Fixed :)
yeah - a little weight discrepency there ...eh? :D
hate to snap a fragile mATX board - ...or perhaps I can build a custom angle bracket as a stantion for extra support :)
I did mine and saw practically no improvement, however I cannot clamp my waterblock down quite as tight now the chip has no IHS so that could explain.
adslegend, what kind of retention method does your waterblock use?
i wonder if u can replace the thermal crap amd uses and put some good stuff in there and put the IHS back on somehow eheh maybe crazy glue or something
i wonder has anyone seen this? or once its off it's off?
I'm sure it can be put back - besides AS5 (or similar) - just also need a nice seal around the edge
I have been *riddled* with heat issues on my AMD 64-3500... with air cooling it never ran, i mean even idled, at less than 50 degrees (all temps are in Celsius) and i have even water cooled the system (i liquid cool all my systems and build custom liquid cooled systems as a business) and it still ran up in the 50's - so, i tried everything... thinking *maybe* it was the motherboard, an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, which have been known to report wrong temps... but even in an Asus board it was bad... so today i finally took the plunge and removed the IHS from it... now, with the original, stock AMD HS/F, it runs at idle around 38-40 and will, under load, hit a max of 54... whereas before it was idling around 50 and overheating under full load... this is a HUGE difference and also a big relief.
After removing the IHS, i saw that not only was the thermal compound (cheap crappy stuff they used) brittle and flaking off, but it did not contact the IHS on almost all of the die - so very little heat that was being put off by the cpu die was actually getting transferred to the IHS at all... well, that problem has been licked and now i will go back and water cool it as was the original plan for this system, and then i am going to do the same thing to my liquid cooled 64-3200... it is running a smooth and cool 34 at idle and no more than 42 under load with the IHS on it, but heck, if i can dump a couple more degrees by taking it off... then away i go... razor blade in hand!
I will post my results for that system, and for the 3500 once it is water cooled also.
3500 system:
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum mobo (socket 939)
AMD 64-3500 CPU
2x 512 Kingston PC3200 Ram (Dual Channel)
BFG 6800 Ultra OC
Antec 550 watt PSU
WD 200gig, 7200rpm, 8meg cache HDD
Sony Dual layer DVD burner
3200 System:
ASUS K8V-SE Deluxe mobo (socket 754)
AMD 64-3200 CPU
2x 512 Kingston PC3200 Ram (dual channel)
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, 128 meg
Vantec Ion PSU
WD 200gig, 7200rpm, 8meg cache HDD
Sony Dual layer DVD burner
LG cd burner
Liquid cooled with --->
Danger Den RBX CPU water block
Danger Den Maze4 Chipset block
Danger Den Maze4 Video block
dual cd-bay reservoir
1/2" blue tubing
swiftech MCP600 pump
1x 4" NortHWateR Xtreme Xchanger (billet aluminum heat exchanger, custom made by me)
2x 6" NortHWateR Xtreme Xchangers (billet aluminum heat exchanger, custom made by me)
Black Ice Extreme 120mm radiator with Panaflo 115cfm 120mm fan
The picture is a little old and there have been changes since it was taken, like:
rounded blue IDE cables
rad mounting
added the panaflo fan and removed the coolermaster shown in the pic
cleaned up and organized a lot better... this pic was taken right after the system was whacked together for testing - i always rip them down again and set them up better after they pass the testing phase :cool:
http://www.kw.igs.net/~northwizard/3...uploadable.jpg
How large is the OD of those tubes? They look ridiculously large. :eek:
I might think about that when I'm at a point where I can afford to replace my X2 if something goes wrong.
Eric
nice setup northwizard, welcome to sharkies