Klipsch Ultra 5.1s

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Originally Posted by LTech221

the RSX Series is also made by Klipsch, a line of compact sattelites for ht/music.

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thanks for the info Ltech221 and Remotia for some details ;)

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Originally Posted by Buster Sword

Neat man
will this reduce or increase the bass from my Ultra on my carpeted room?
I could use more overall deepbass to engulf the room, its uneven and lost in half hte room and very strong near the closet walls and outside the room!

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this happens for many reasons - but primarily b/c of the much longer wavelengths found at the lower frequencies (IIRC - 50Hz = 11 feet or so). The "hi-end" is never easily heard outside a room primarily due to their short wavelengths and they're very directional nature.

The Location of the subwoofer can factor in, but will not be helpful in quieting it "outside" the room. The "Type" of subwoofer and the cross-over frequency are more of an overall factor.I forget the exact names of the different types of bins (baffle, etc,etc) - but center-mounted inverse firing 18" "W" bins are what we used for our PA subs...2 bins driven by a Crown 2000w. We had a real expensive 32(?) band Stereo EQ (can't recall the brand), of which 1/2 was used for the voice, and the other 1/2 was used to tweak the Bass Drum :eek: (talk about being anal about nice Bass) -- everything was Mic-ed using XLR.

I'm not trying to sound 'impressive' at all (b/c frankly, it isn't, and I've been out of the loop for a pretty long time now) - but when we used other types of more expensive Subs (b/c of area/footprint limitations for that gig) - the so-called Front firing "Scoop" bins ...the Bass wasn't nearly as Deep, Full, nor True or Warm (but supposedly they are "Truer") - nor didthe scoop bins give you that 'pounding in the chest' feeling ;) Plus the W's , while not front-firing also kept and reproduced my marshall stack's tonal and resonance quality...as well as imitating my "clean" setup nicely, though not as well.

...so depending upon the shape of the room and the location of the sub - the best you can likely do , when using a bottom/down-firing sub - is move the sub around and/or incorporate some sort of passive EQ for tweaking those lower frequencies. I doubt a Parametric Eq will help much, but I haven't messed with those alot. The other options include using a diff 'type' of sub...

Thanks that so much, i understand all of that.


I have the Ultras.
which are SIDE Firing subs and using carpeting. Since the closet is next to the wall, and other corners occupited, their is no Corners available. One speaker is facing the wall.

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To trap more bass and push the low 24-30hz regions Inside the room what could i do?

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I still dont know if that Bass lifter stand recommended would help, or if adding bass trap foam across from the sub would help matters.

well - as far as the Subwoofer Stand -- a "CHEAP" test is toi utilize my egg carton suggestion :)
perhaps with some plywood or similar to span across/spread the load - lay an old piece of carpet (or similar) over the top of plywood to keep the unwanted reflections down to a minimum

Those things are strong ...stand on one and see

Can you draw an ASCII version of the room and layout with furniture placement and spkr placement , etc ? - or take a digital Photo and post a screenie ? - or use mspaint ? ask PCJ, he can draw anything in mspaint :)

It's hard to determine/follow from just a description of the area

Plus - I'm not familiar with those spkrs and subs - so I'll look around for some pics/specs to see what you mean about side-firing

Sorry mr. digital didnt mean to hijack your thread, its just things were mentioned here that usually never get mentioned in an MM forum!
Maybe you could use a gamer card too?
If it were possible i would use a gamer card and have audiophile type card M audio as external

----oh for the acoustics:

Thanks man i will have a diagram and picture tomorrow.
I think i wil buy some bass traps about 2 of them with some spongey foam
around 8 bucks each and place it in the corners of my room.'
www.partsexpress.com

Dual side firing:
Means theres one sub on each side opposing each other
iE x2 8 inch subwoofers, on on west, the other on east.
one sub is pressed against the wall.

No sweat. :D It's informational for me too.

-MrD

I really want to try and help fellas - but, I'm having a big nasty issue with staying within any kind of a multi-media equipment confines and components. :eek:

Also note - I have like no experience whatsoever with trying to setup fairly inexpensive 5.1 systems. My ears just aren't interested (no offense intended at all fellas). Plus there are s-o-o-o-o-o many variables involved, and 5.1 from2.1 just multiplies the complexity

Here's where my web travels have taken me;
Ok ...first off - I recall finally what the "type' of cabinet design for subs we used -- it's called a Folded Horn. Now, note that everything I say/praise about them has to do with a LIVE band, and not prerecorded material (CD's, MP3s,Movies, DolbyDigital, DTS, and alll that stuff). As a matter of fact, in most Live setups, everything is MONO (perhaps there's some more Stereo nowadays, but, it's not only much more expensive, but trying to fill a Hall using stereo has many nightmares to try and overcome).

Folded horns in general don't have a reputation for "true" tight bass - but believe me when I tell ya -- for PA gear, it's awesome and they're quite efficient as well. Here's something similar to what I've used Folded horn Sub - but note - this has an AMP built in ...yuk! - and this is 2x 18" in 1 Cab, whereas ours are 1x 18 per cabinet (this image looks a little smaller too).

-- Seems google ain't cooperating ....either that or MS and their cronies have completely cornered the market on any kind of Free spkr design kits (schematics). I recently picked up a Hi-Fi mag today and whoa!!... It seems everybody and their mother is building/selling spkrs these days, and charging the amt that equals half the USA defense budget :eek:

Now - on to the gory details of my travels;
Go Get one of these 15" spkrs or it's 18" brother
Next - d/l the schematics for $10 - and find a local carpenter (such as moi) to Build you one of these Housewreckers :D

I'm not saying this is the best setup by any means at all - but I have a hard time justifying $20,000 on anything less than atleast a Baby Grand :p :)

I did d/l the Klipsch PDF for the Ultra 5.1's and there are some settings to tweak with in there -- but lots and lots of extra Clean Power (AMP) and Spkr placement and perhaps some sort of bandpass filter (?) ...something/anything to help a Ported type sub.

p.s. ..I just posted the housewrecker b/c it looks cool to build and impressive looking - even though it's not a folded horn -- I'd prolly find a nice set of schematics for a folded horn if I were to actually build one.

Oh;
I'm not certain of this - but I think I recall hearing a discussion here about real trouble with getting the Front/Center spkr and the Subwoofer separated, as far as volume controls ??? where adjusting one, affects the other ??
I dunno - I'm tired folks ..
¡hasta mañana!

and just to give ya some links for recording/ripping music to PC ...use flac, EAC/LAME, foobar2000, dbPowerAmp, etc... see this site for mucho mas info - clcik on the FAQ and you'll be in there for weeks :)