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Java is a powerful language, u can do almost everything with it, graphics, server programs, games, applets, etc
but i find it very slow, specially if your GUI contains lots of frames/panels
VB is a crappy language, but easy and fast for simple GUI or small programs
Thanks all.
Well i've been reading all these over the last week or so and Java seems to be mentioned rather a lot.
I've dl/ed suns SDK but I've just been back to the site and they've added a new :(!!
I'm gonna have to develop on Windows for a while, my linux box has no mouse and I wanna wait for proper support for my radeon 7500 until I put it back on here.
Lastly should I download one of the IDE's and which one?
I think i'm probably gonna need it!
I've tinkled with Borland JBuilder before but only for a day or so.
Thanks
Visual Basic is BY FAR the easiest language to start programming on, end of story.
I would differ here. If you can get your hands on C#, its as easy as VB, as powerful as Java and doesn't have some the VB silliness.Quote:
Originally posted by Paladyr
Visual Basic is BY FAR the easiest language to start programming on, end of story.
I do prefer VB over Java, but from a learner's standpoint, Java is probably better! The first language I started learning was VB, but I picked up a lot of bad programming habits because of that (ie. I never declared my variables, I always used varients when I didn't need to, I always wrote spaghetti code, I never used modules, etc...). Java, however, forces you to write your code properly, more or less. Java doesn't allow for Varients, you always have to declare your variables, and the object-orientated concepts have made designing applications much easier! For a newbie programmer, Java's object-orientated layout and strict language stucture teaches him the true art of programming!Quote:
Originally posted by Paladyr:
Visual Basic is BY FAR the easiest language to start programming on, end of story.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but you are correct. This is why C# is so nice. All the simplicity of VB without the evil things like variants or other undisciplined parts.Quote:
Originally posted by hu flung dung
I do prefer VB over Java, but from a learner's standpoint, Java is probably better! The first language I started learning was VB, but I picked up a lot of bad programming habits because of that (ie. I never declared my variables, I always used varients when I didn't need to, I always wrote spaghetti code, I never used modules, etc...). Java, however, forces you to write your code properly, more or less. Java doesn't allow for Varients, you always have to declare your variables, and the object-orientated concepts have made designing applications much easier! For a newbie programmer, Java's object-orientated layout and strict language stucture teaches him the true art of programming!
DeadKen is absolutely correct; over the past week, I've been really messing around with Visual Studio .NET using C# and man! It's like having the structured correct feel of Java, but with the power of C++ and simplicity of VB for GUI's. I sure hope this takes off.Quote:
Originally posted by Wollington
Thanks all.
Well i've been reading all these over the last week or so and Java seems to be mentioned rather a lot.
I've dl/ed suns SDK but I've just been back to the site and they've added a new :(!!
I'm gonna have to develop on Windows for a while, my linux box has no mouse and I wanna wait for proper support for my radeon 7500 until I put it back on here.
Lastly should I download one of the IDE's and which one?
I think i'm probably gonna need it!
I've tinkled with Borland JBuilder before but only for a day or so.
Thanks
But if you want to work with Java, either download JBuilder 5 Personal Edition (which is free) or download Sun's Forte for Java (which also happens to be free for personal use :D).
DeadKen, you sure you aren't Bill Gates trying to push C#? ;) jk jk jk. I have talked to a couple of friends and it seems that Java is the language they are starting off with, then moving to c++. I started with Pascal in college, then c++. Anyone else experience this?
In my program in U. of Waterloo (Computer Science) we started with Java first year, then moved to C++, followed by assembler.Quote:
Originally posted by Sol
DeadKen, you sure you aren't Bill Gates trying to push C#? ;) jk jk jk. I have talked to a couple of friends and it seems that Java is the language they are starting off with, then moving to c++. I started with Pascal in college, then c++. Anyone else experience this?
On my course we went from Java to more difficult Java, before we took a last course on Java... :rolleyes:
I think this guy just wants to write a simple program though... not learning correct coding standards etc... For that, visual basic would be best.
I started on C, Java, and COBOL, so when i got to visual basic it is much easier to code with, especially if you need GUI's.