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07-20-2003, 07:53 PM
ImaNihilist

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Originally posted by ewitte

Quality is sacraficed to give the consumers a good deal.

Yes, but to what degree? With a Raptor you are paying roughly $4 per GB, where as even with a 120GB Seagate 7200 SATA drive its only $1 a GB. I believe I am not the only one that considers 40 GB very little space for today's applications and games. I want at least 120GB in any system I build. That would mean purchasing 4 Raptor's in a RAID 0 array. While performance would be UNMATCHED at this level, price is also unmatched. However, I don't believe this is even possibly because the RAID function for ICH5R only supports 2 SATA drives.
07-20-2003, 08:03 PM
ewitte

Quote:

Originally posted by ImaNihilist

Yes, but to what degree? With a Raptor you are paying roughly $4 per GB, where as even with a 120GB Seagate 7200 SATA drive its only $1 a GB. I believe I am not the only one that considers 40 GB very little space for today's applications and games. I want at least 120GB in any system I build. That would mean purchasing 4 Raptor's in a RAID 0 array. While performance would be UNMATCHED at this level, price is also unmatched. However, I don't believe this is even possibly because the RAID function for ICH5R only supports 2 SATA drives.

I guess that depends on the drive you get. You can probably rank the quality by looking at the warranty. Most of Western Digital's drives have 1 year warranties. I believe Maxtor is mostly 1 year now as well. The SE drives have 3 year warranties and the Raptors have 5 year warranties. So I would *at least* get a SE drive and run no more than 2 drives in RAID. Even two drives is risky, four is insane. Your still better off getting another larger drive for safer storage.

My sisters computer I built for her I used cheapo 40GB 7200RPM maxtors but I did RAID 1 (mirror) on them. I guess that was about $180 for 40GB at the time. If I had it all to do over again I would have probably got a 36GB Cheetah and LSI controller. BTW a single 15K 36GB Cheetah is near $300. I never considered it because most U320 controllers are also over $150. I found the LSI after I made my first raptor purchase.

Eric
07-20-2003, 08:12 PM
ImaNihilist

Well maybe I've just been very lucky, but the first 2 systems I built were identical, and I used 4 40GB Maxtor D740Xs in ATA133 RAID 0 Arrays on Abit K7RA-RAID boards based on the Via KT266A chipset. Both have been running for around a year now virtually 24/7 and never failed.
07-20-2003, 08:21 PM
OS-Wiz

Quote:

Originally posted by ImaNihilist
Well maybe I've just been very lucky, but the first 2 systems I built were identical, and I used 4 40GB Maxtor D740Xs in ATA133 RAID 0 Arrays on Abit K7RA-RAID boards based on the Via KT266A chipset. Both have been running for around a year now virtually 24/7 and never failed.

I can vouch for the D740Xs and the RAID controller on the ABIT KR7A-133R. I still have those two D740Xs running in my server (not in RAID anymore) and they are over 3 yrs old, never a hint of a problem. Those are probably the best drives Maxtor ever made.

Edit: And still have that Abit KR7A-133R running in my server, never a hint of a problem and I've abuse it several times only to have it survive my stupidty :D
07-20-2003, 08:43 PM
ewitte

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Originally posted by OS-Wiz
I can vouch for the D740Xs and the RAID controller on the ABIT KR7A-133R. I still have those two D740Xs running in my server (not in RAID anymore) and they are over 3 yrs old, never a hint of a problem. Those are probably the best drives Maxtor ever made.

Edit: And still have that Abit KR7A-133R running in my server, never a hint of a problem and I've abuse it several times only to have it survive my stupidty :D

The maxtor I had doing Raid0 on my server died without any hints of problems. A few years later I'm still running the other 20GB drive but I just put crap on it. I do not even have the server anymore. The thing is the drive will die sooner or later. Using 4 drives for a stripe dramatically increases your odds. You can have 3 drives that would last 5 years combined with 1 that only makes it a year. Your data is gone as soon as the first one dies.

Eric
07-20-2003, 09:21 PM
pudad

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Originally posted by OS-Wiz
If you're talking about boot load time I went from about 1m15s to about 35s but I'm not loading a couple small apps I use to. So I figure I roughly halved my boot load time :)

hmm, yeah, takes mine about 40-50 w/o loging in.take like 5-10 to scan the bus.
07-20-2003, 10:02 PM
|_053|2

if i had a raptor i would also get a 80-120 gig IDE for storage and have the OS and software on the raptor
07-20-2003, 10:25 PM
ImaNihilist

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Originally posted by |_053|2
if i had a raptor i would also get a 80-120 gig IDE for storage and have the OS and software on the raptor

Assuming its not a Windows OS. Windows is not worthy of the Raptor. :p
07-20-2003, 10:30 PM
ewitte

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Originally posted by |_053|2
if i had a raptor i would also get a 80-120 gig IDE for storage and have the OS and software on the raptor

I already had an 80GB SE drive :) All this talk about the thing being small. I probably have a total of like 30-40GB max at any given time. Usually by the time I get there I'm wanting to format. Anything that could be of use later is put on DVD.

Eric
07-20-2003, 10:36 PM
|_053|2

Quote:

Originally posted by ImaNihilist

Assuming its not a Windows OS. Windows is not worthy of the Raptor. :p

true, true...
07-20-2003, 11:02 PM
OutKlast

Yea the WD is nice, I got in my gaming computer, I wouldent mind an even smaller version of it, maybe 15gb. I got plenty of storage on my server, just access it over the network. Its nice to get the gaming computer on and off real quick, and speedy game loads.
07-21-2003, 12:54 AM
xDUCK

Quote:

Originally posted by ewitte

The maxtor I had doing Raid0 on my server died without any hints of problems. A few years later I'm still running the other 20GB drive but I just put crap on it. I do not even have the server anymore. The thing is the drive will die sooner or later. Using 4 drives for a stripe dramatically increases your odds. You can have 3 drives that would last 5 years combined with 1 that only makes it a year. Your data is gone as soon as the first one dies.

Eric

Is that true? My dad worked in a prepress company for years, and they had some super-heavy duty equipment ($1,000,000+ SGI's, $1,000,000+ printers, etc). He told me that striped RAIDS (with 8 drives, anyway) can actually rebuild data if one drive is lost. :eek:

Edit: Just did a search, and this is called a RAID 5.
07-21-2003, 06:08 AM
ewitte

Quote:

Originally posted by xDUCK

Is that true? My dad worked in a prepress company for years, and they had some super-heavy duty equipment ($1,000,000+ SGI's, $1,000,000+ printers, etc). He told me that striped RAIDS (with 8 drives, anyway) can actually rebuild data if one drive is lost. :eek:

Edit: Just did a search, and this is called a RAID 5.

RAID 5 is fine. In order for it to screw you multiple drives have to fail at the same time. It can happen but is unlikely. Especially if the system has hot spares. There is no safety net with RAID 0.

Eric
07-21-2003, 08:03 AM
Colossus

Yes RAID 0 has is not a fault tolerant array...

That is why RAID 1 fixes that :)

Neither are TRUE RAID to the meaning...

However RAID 5 is the best of both worlds.. IMO...

The larger the array (number of drives) the amount of drives that would have to fail increases for data loss...

I also recommend backing up all the time with a RAID 0 array... I have a 4 Drive IBM 120GXP array with 1 drive for boot.. So a total of 5 drives in that setup... It works great! But the risk of data loss is also great...

If anyone of those drives fail, the whole array is lost... That is why I backup daily to a DLT drive :)
07-21-2003, 09:27 AM
pudad

Quote:

Originally posted by Colossus
Yes RAID 0 has is not a fault tolerant array...

That is why RAID 1 fixes that :)

Neither are TRUE RAID to the meaning...

However RAID 5 is the best of both worlds.. IMO...

The larger the array (number of drives) the amount of drives that would have to fail increases for data loss...

I also recommend backing up all the time with a RAID 0 array... I have a 4 Drive IBM 120GXP array with 1 drive for boot.. So a total of 5 drives in that setup... It works great! But the risk of data loss is also great...

If anyone of those drives fail, the whole array is lost... That is why I backup daily to a DLT drive :)

you have that much data on a raid0? good thing you back up.
07-21-2003, 10:40 AM
ThemSkillz1

Re: Wd 36gb 10,000rpm Sata Hd

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Originally posted by OS-Wiz
OK, had this drive about two weeks now -- WOW :)
Bootup load time nearly cut in half.
PCMark2 went from 760 (Maxtor D740, 7200RPM) to 1125.

I'm building a system that is very close to yours... i'm going with the P4P800 deluxe instead of the P4C, but I'm considering this HD instead of the 80 gb SATA maxtor 7200 i was going to put in... the price difference is a good 30 bucks, and it stores half the data, but i can always add a bigger 7200 drive later. it will take at least a few months to have 35 gigs of data for me anyways...

edit: the 5 year warranty is the real selling point i think...
edit 2: will i need a HD cooling bay/kit/device for this thing?

you would recommend this drive for me?
07-21-2003, 11:28 AM
pudad

Re: Re: Wd 36gb 10,000rpm Sata Hd

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Originally posted by ThemSkillz1

I'm building a system that is very close to yours... i'm going with the P4P800 deluxe instead of the P4C, but I'm considering this HD instead of the 80 gb SATA maxtor 7200 i was going to put in... the price difference is a good 30 bucks, and it stores half the data, but i can always add a bigger 7200 drive later. it will take at least a few months to have 35 gigs of data for me anyways...

edit: the 5 year warranty is the real selling point i think...
edit 2: will i need a HD cooling bay/kit/device for this thing?

you would recommend this drive for me?

yeah, just make sure some kind of air blows over it. What do you do with your computer?
07-21-2003, 02:55 PM
ThemSkillz1

ill be using it for toys like digital video camcorder/camera/palm, as well as general use...i just agree with whoever said they like their windows to be responsive :D
07-24-2003, 10:29 PM
ewitte

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Originally posted by Colossus
Hmmm I never tried PCMarks with my Raptor.. If I decide to keep them... I might as well... But a single raptor drive cannot beat my RAID 0 array of 2 drives.. Which scored over 1500 in PCMarks :)

2038 :)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1421879
07-24-2003, 10:52 PM
xDUCK

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Originally posted by ewitte

2038 :)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1421879

:eek:
07-24-2003, 10:57 PM
ewitte

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Originally posted by xDUCK

:eek:

I don't understand this one (not mine)! http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1285331
07-24-2003, 10:59 PM
xDUCK

Looks like a fluke/bug/exploit to me (like the guy who got 28k in 3dmark with a 9700 Pro and a setup that should have scored somewhere in the mid-high teens :)).
07-24-2003, 11:11 PM
ewitte

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Originally posted by xDUCK
Looks like a fluke/bug/exploit to me (like the guy who got 28k in 3dmark with a 9700 Pro and a setup that should have scored somewhere in the mid-high teens :)).

I'm thinking ram drive :)
07-24-2003, 11:42 PM
ewitte

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Originally posted by xDUCK
Looks like a fluke/bug/exploit to me (like the guy who got 28k in 3dmark with a 9700 Pro and a setup that should have scored somewhere in the mid-high teens :)).

Newest Intel Application Accelerator software gets me 2256. Thats even getting an error that some functions might be dissabled because of the RAID ROM revision.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1421949
07-25-2003, 12:26 AM
kpxgq

i just back up my data to dvd-rw.... dont have to worry about raid issues :)

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