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Since when are POST'ing problems caused by a lack of Vcore? This may be true for Intels maybe... but not AMD. It seems to me that your board just cannot support 400mhz fsb. Try this... 13x166..... it should come up close to 2.2GHz... then see if windows will load that way ;).
I feel your board is the limiting factor here :).
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Originally posted by speedstream5621
Take that everyone who said he didn't need better cooling!!!:p
lol! Ok... tell him to go buy an SLK800 and Vantec tornado... and then try 200x11 again, lol. :p ;).
I've not been able to post, had to reset CMOS, and could post when I'd raised Vcore. This was I'd tried some pretty high o/c'ing for me (like over 220).Quote:
Originally posted by lostlilchild6
Since when are POST'ing problems caused by a lack of Vcore?
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Originally posted by hwmicre
I've not been able to post, had to reset CMOS, and could post when I'd raised Vcore. This was I'd tried some pretty high o/c'ing for me (like over 220).
Yeah... I guess you're right. I have been noticing weird things about these new NF2 boards. For example... I can adjust the Vdimm and/or the memory timings... and I wouldnt post from time to time... lol... go figure. :)
But in this situation... I would totally blame his board before I blame the lack of Vcore :) ;).
Wanna know something, though? After all the.....BS.....we're tossing back and forth here, it really does come down to the fact that he's gotta get better cooling, plain and simple. Unless 2630's an exception, if he gets a serious o/c he's gonna need better cooling than the stock HSF, which MAY be acceptable - but barely.Quote:
Originally posted by lostlilchild6
But in this situation... I would totally blame his board before I blame the lack of Vcore :) ;).
I know 3 people who have oc'ed 2500's to 3200 on stock cooling
and ran stable. (All were Abit's) Ram was varied. :D
Soooo, It can be done.;)
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Originally posted by hwmicre
Wanna know something, though? After all the.....BS.....we're tossing back and forth here, it really does come down to the fact that he's gotta get better cooling, plain and simple. Unless 2630's an exception, if he gets a serious o/c he's gonna need better cooling than the stock HSF, which MAY be acceptable - but barely.
Hey... I agree. And if it were me.... I'd get better cooling too.. since its better and cheap. But I'm assuming he doesnt want to spend on better cooling... so he'd rather not fork out 30 bucks if he doesn't have to ya know? It makes sense really. Heck, if I were on a budget... and planned to run my 2500+ at 3200+ 24/7... I wouldnt buy an SLK800, lol :).
Plus... AMD retail sinks arent half bad anymore. They have huge copper blocks now... and nicely sized fins :).
I'd say the problem is in the RAM here. No POST usually equals RAM can't do it. I'm guessing you upped the FSB to 200MHz, so running your PC3000 at 3200 speeds. May not be possible. I'd suggest trying to run at a different multiplier for the same o/c, or try running the memory async with the FSB to check and see if the RAM is the problem and then you can troubleshoot from there!:)
Didn't say it couldn't. What HSF combo do the VAST majority of o/c'ers (esp. here) use? Certainly not stock.....Quote:
Originally posted by gurutoo
I know 3 people who have oc'ed 2500's to 3200 on stock cooling
and ran stable. (All were Abit's) Ram was varied. :D
Soooo, It can be done.;)
I'd like to see a pic. I saw one of a Barton 2500+(I think that's what it was for), it had a 80x80x15mm green fan and a SLIGHTLY nicer heatsink than my 1800+ came with, though it was all aluminum unless there was a copper insert.Quote:
Plus... AMD retail sinks arent half bad anymore. They have huge copper blocks now... and nicely sized fins .
They still suck though.:cool:
*edit-grammar*
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Originally posted by speedstream5621
I'd like to see a pic. I saw one of a Barton 2500+(I think that's what it was for), it had a 80x80x15mm green fan and a SLIGHTLY nicer heatsink than my 1800+ came with, though it was all aluminum unless there was a copper insert.
They still suck though.:cool:
*edit-grammar*
Ooops... need to edit that... it's not a copper block... it's just a regular Al block... but it's still much better than before IMO.
None-the-less... for what he *wants* to do... it's more than enough. I doubt buying an SLK800 will help him do 200x11... lol :D.
If you mean because of the mobo, I guess so, although I'm not too swift on the Biostar. Otherwise, why not? 2200 isn't that extreme..Quote:
Originally posted by lostlilchild6
None-the-less... for what he *wants* to do... it's more than enough. I doubt buying an SLK800 will help him do 200x11... lol :D.
Certainly not...Quote:
Originally posted by hwmicre
Didn't say it couldn't. What HSF combo do the VAST majority of o/c'ers (esp. here) use? Certainly not stock.....
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Originally posted by hwmicre
If you mean because of the mobo, I guess so, although I'm not too swift on the Biostar. Otherwise, why not? 2200 isn't that extreme..
Of course it isn't. But the thing is... according to *some* around here... the problem is his cooling.. and they make it seem as though getting better cooling will get him 200x11 for 2.2GHz thus 3200+. I say it's the board. If the board doesn't support 400fsb... then he's pretty much SOL. The only way to get to 2.2ghz would be to raise the mult to like 13... and fsb at 166. I told him to try that earlier... just to see if the chip can handle the high clock speed at stock Vcore.. but he hasn't responded.
None-the-less... my opinion stands :). Let's give this scenerio. A guy has a 2500+, NF7-S, and 512mb of XMS 3200LL. He know's his cpu can do 3200+ at stock Voltage... so he ask's... is stock cooling fine for this? The answer is yes! :D :). (and btw... he doesn't want to OC anymore.. he's happy at 3200+, and with a stock Vcore and stock cooler)
I agree, though I *personally* would not want my chip to run that hot.Quote:
None-the-less... my opinion stands . Let's give this scenerio. A guy has a 2500+, NF7-S, and 512mb of XMS 3200LL. He know's his cpu can do 3200+ at stock Voltage... so he ask's... is stock cooling fine for this? The answer is yes! . (and btw... he doesn't want to OC anymore.. he's happy at 3200+, and with a stock Vcore and stock cooler)
In this case, its also possible that more voltage is necessary for his chip to go to 3200+ speeds. Do we all agree that better cooling would be a prudent move if more voltage is required? I sure hope so!:eek:
2630Goon, could you try a lower FSB and a higher multi for us?
According to the specs on Newegg.com the Biostar supports 400 fsb. Up the vcore and vdimm and see it it will run. Up the vcore to 1.75 and the vdim to 2.7
Oboy, here we go again.....he's trying to run his stock HSF. Whatever hope he had in that regard will be dashed if he ups voltages - which, BTW, may be necessary for the o/c. Not to be picky, but on one hand there's spec, but....has anyone gotten 200+ FSB with that Biostar??Quote:
Originally posted by gkline
According to the specs on Newegg.com the Biostar supports 400 fsb. Up the vcore and vdimm and see it it will run. Up the vcore to 1.75 and the vdim to 2.7
Again, whatever the case may be, I think that better cooling should be gotten. It's something that will be useful both at present and for future upgrades.
Just thought i would add something here, i just picked up a 2500 Barton and the stock fan is not like any other AMD i have had. Its a solid copper base and has a larger fan on it that the typical AMD fan. It also doesnt seem to have the high pitch whine that always drove me nuts about the old retail fans. Anyway not that this has anything to do with this fellows overclocking efforts, i would just pointing out that i think lostchild6 was right about the new HSF statement.
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Originally posted by DR.NO
Just thought i would add something here, i just picked up a 2500 Barton and the stock fan is not like any other AMD i have had. Its a solid copper base and has a larger fan on it that the typical AMD fan. It also doesnt seem to have the high pitch whine that always drove me nuts about the old retail fans. Anyway not that this has anything to do with this fellows overclocking efforts, i would just pointing out that i think lostchild6 was right about the new HSF statement.
Thanks bro... I knew I saw copper in there somewhere :). I build a ton of these... but very few of them have been retail boxed! :D
Well, in a way....we're all making the assumption that the stock HSF isn't, well, too good....maybe this is a shift in the paradigm (What!?)Quote:
Originally posted by DR.NO
Anyway not that this has anything to do with this fellows overclocking efforts, i would just pointing out that i think lostchild6 was right about the new HSF statement.
My retail heatsink actually looks pretty good. It has a nice copper bottom and a decent fan. It actually has some weight to it as well. I haven't used it but I can tell AMD has improved the stock HS a lot since my 1.2 heatsink. That thing was a joke!