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Sounds like an extra $12 well spent.:)Quote:
Originally posted by hwmicre
Should this call respect for a 2000 or make me wonder why you didn't get a 2100+??
LOTS of people get 2.3 on air. From point zero, I've gotten over 2.3 on both my 2100+ and (current) Barton at 1.8 and can run 3DM, Prime95, and eveyting else until the cows cme home.
I tend to avoid getting in spats like this but I will enter this arena just once to lay some things down. First, regarding the issue of absolute max oc as the thread title inquires. This means different things to different people. Some grab a wcpuid shot and bolt before an imminent system crash. Some will run the standard host of benchmarks at the bleeding edge max. Rest assured there is a major difference between a wcpuid shot and a completion of the standards. Anyone who clicks my sig link called My Rig will see my list of these standards. Of course for most air coolers absolute max oc is also time of year related. I'll be the first to admit the screenies in my sig link are my absolute max's. They are my winter time records so to speak. In the winter I am able to funnel into my PC much cooler air than I can nowadays. So whereas I can and did run 2.63Ghz during the winter I am not currently at that speed in fact I'm over 100Mhz slower.Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
sapasion has it to 2.58GHz I think. besides that, show me how many tbreds on air that can go past 2.3GHz, just check peoples sigs, most have around 2.2GHz
Second, regarding the issue of what most people have their Tbred's OC'd to. In my observation, many SF OCers have indeed achieved 2.2Ghz. One thing to remember of SF's 30K+ members I'd guesstimate that less than half have their PC's OC'd. Even amongst OCers there are different gradients. Most SF OCers have mild/safe OC's. So much so that I'd wager a guess that over half the SF OCers if pushed could increase their current OC's, just for the sake of increasing it. What matters to most people is that they are content with their PC's. Some people need to OC further than others for that level of contentment. Now there are a number of AMD OCers who have gone well past 2.2, 2.3 and a few past 2.4Ghz. Make no mistake IMO 2.4Ghz out of a Tbred is a noteworthy accomplishment. What is disappointing to me is how we cannot appreciate and praise others for their genuine achievements. Often times people will produce results which might be less than our own but for them its still a record. For example mine Tbred OC Max within the aircooled SF community was only eclipsed by lost's. However, when I hear of a XP2100+ owner hitting even 2.3Ghz I am usually there with a pat on a the back and a well-done comment.
Third, while I try to be very open and forth-coming with compliments when they are merited, I completely understand the skeptics. I have said many times the proof is in the screenies. We all now how easy wcpuid shots are to come by. Then there is the issue of cheating. What exactly is cheating? Well there have been people here who are purporting rather genuine achievements without exactly being honest about their methodology. It is little secret that my own records are achieved only by means of cold winter air. Not to imply the 2.5Ghz I'm at right now is anything to sneeze at but certainly there's quite a difference. Some other people have openly admitted to throwing PC's in refrigerators and/or freezers, having AC units hooked up to their rigs. To me that's all fine and dandy if you are upfront about it. Although I'd personally question how long you can keep your PC in the freezer. What burns me is when someone flashes an apparently rather massive OC and then we get the and I'm just on air statement. It always raises my brows when screen shots are so slow in coming or they don't come at all. Now again, I'm not witch-hunting anyone per se but integrity is quite important to me.
At the end of the day if someone is pleased with their rig that's great for them. We all have different intents and purposes for our respective rigs. Some of us are 3DMark chasers, others are gamers, others still are mostly web browsing hounds. I spend very little time worrying about other people's rigs and/or what they think of mine. I have a sig link with pictures because I'm proud of what I achieved and want to share that with others. Finally, I have always loved SF because for a forum community of our size overall our members are people of honesty and integrity. I certainly enjoy dialoguing with people like this. Sadly, not everyone is such a person.
TBird, are you basing the 2.2ghz OC off of me? I find my OC to be far from impressive. I find it average. Actually, I find it to be crap. But that's the oc that i stopped at when it decided that it wanted to do 200fsb overnight. I assure you tbird, that i have done 2.4 ghz on this processor, and that i am FAR from the maximum that i can do. Didn't i tell you that i can do 215mhz fsb at turbo settings on this thing? Tbird, what is your definition of a max OC? Maximum possible or maximum stable? In my opinion, in order to qualify as a mximum OC, the computer has to pass prime95. If it doesn't pass prime, it's not stable. See, my 2.2ghz actually passed prime. At the time, i was too elated that it did 200fsb to even care about a higher overclock. I enjoyed my mild OC and PLAYED A GAME.
That is when i fuxored the XP install the day after. I waited 8 weeks or so to get my XP cd, cuz my friend went to Europe. And guess what, i got the cd on friday. Installed. Decided to 3dmark, overclocked too high, and got an alarm. That is when i did the infamous clear cmos while the psu is plugged in thing. So now, i have a dead mobo. Yay, no games for the whole summer. That's my story, cry me a river...:p
I think that in order to qualify as an actual OC, it must be the max 100% stable oc. 98% stable just doesn't do it for me.
I understand what you mean Sapasion... and I agree. I too help out others that need help... and give well-deserved kudos to those who deserve it. However, Tbird is another story. I dont give him kudos... and I will probably never give him kudos :). It's more of a personal thing, that I dont let, get too personal ;). If you saw some of my AIM logs with this guy... you would understand why I now despise him. Another thing... if you'll notice in his introductory post in this thread... he was referring to a certain individual... and guess who he was talking about ;). But that's beside the point. 2.47GHz is falls between average and above average from my standards. But the way he talks about his OC... makes it sound to be so godly and rare. ::giggles::
I have the highest respect for you lost buddy. Allow me to remind you that we do have a ignore list ;) I used it for certain people myself. However, as a mod I was encouraged from time to time to actually know what all people are saying in my forum. So now I don't use the ignore list at all. What I do do is not response to nonsense.
Not to be off topic but what is this infamous clear the CMOS while the PSU is plugged in??? I do it all the time (just not when the system is on :D)
I admit I use A/C to cool my video card more.. (recent thing) but it doesnt do squat for my processor :D It is already cool enough that I can push much more out of it!!!!! I just dont have the vcore required for the pushing :(
But yes Maximum OC can mean one thing or another to anyone... I like to be Prime95 passed (when it wants too!, I have other feelings with that software!)... But What about the people who can post at x Mhz but not be Windows bootable.. That would technically be consider a max overclock... Just not Max stable overclock :D
N/M
"You pump 2.2v in to your chip?! I sure hope not..."
heheh just ask lost, he did 2.1v and says if it doesnt run hot its safe to pump lots of voltage for a short time. I actually thank him for giving me the balls to push every ounce outta my cpu ;)
"check the AMD OC databse from VR-Zone... and tell me how many Tbred B's you see clocked to 2.5+GHz on air!"
does that matter? for everyone that breaks 2.5GHz, there are 20 that dont and they keep quiet about their overclocks.....
"we still don't know what speed you really run the 2000+ at, in all the posts asking about that, you have conveniently left that info out."
If you would click the link in my 3dmark sig, youd see that all those scores were taken at 2475MHz, thanks :cool:
"where are the benchies??? how long can you run prime 95???"
If I can complete 3dmark, it is over 95% stable to me. prime95 is quite irrevelent to me, seeing I must clock some 200MHz less to complete prime95 but I dont care if 3dmark and every game I throw out works just fine, do you guys agree? just because I can play all day doesnt mean ill clock lower cause prime95 crashes after like a min.
"I hit 2.5GHZ stable on watercooling, (28C idle, 32C load) but couldn't go any higher because of my mobo's crap vcore."
and what v core was that?
"Should this call respect for a 2000 or make me wonder why you didn't get a 2100+??"
or maybe they are all the same chip?
" It's more of a personal thing, that I dont let, get too personal"
Thats ok dude, no need to be jealous, I didnt quite match your overclock anyway ;) but my comp is far from "crap" and your opinion means nothing, if 2.47GHz is crap, then your 2.66GHz wont be a whole world better dude......
I guess I'm echoing, in a way, what Lost mentioned earlier about shouting to the world about an o/c. I hope this isn't petty jealousy (I don't think so) on my part, but there's a lot of people here who get great o/c's and great benches and don't use a megaphone over it.
Looks like I might have to do just that soon... as far as SF goes. But on AIM, I'll keep talking to him. I get a kick out of him, lol.
:)
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Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
...Thats ok dude, no need to be jealous...
::looks are you rigs... then I look at my rigs::
Am I missing something here? :confused: lol
Hwmicre... I dont think I understand what you meant... did you mean that Im jealous of Tbird... or you are? I wasn't sure, that's why Im asking, cause Im curious :). Your comment had momentarly baffled me :).
yes, i did it before too. But when i turn off my computer, not all power leaves instantaneously. So i pretty much cleared the cmos with the power on. And that, my friends, is not good. Good for a broken mobo, lost money,and a lot of trouble.Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
Not to be off topic but what is this infamous clear the CMOS while the PSU is plugged in??? I do it all the time (just not when the system is on :D)
I do that all the time!!!! I would just power down and then clear... I didnt discharge the motherboard...Quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Evangelion
yes, i did it before too. But when i turn off my computer, not all power leaves instantaneously. So i pretty much cleared the cmos with the power on. And that, my friends, is not good. Good for a broken mobo, lost money,and a lot of trouble.
Odd... Well I dont know what happened in that case... But I never had to do it before :(
I almost ALWAYS cleared my CMOS like that. Never gave my Asus any problems. Of course, we all (ok, maybe just me and Colossus :)) know how my NF7-S turned out... Oh well, the board was crap anyway, was going to RMA/exchange it today. It's at the shop as we speak... Hopefully it is, in fact, the motherboard, and not the CPU as well (they'd have to send that to AMD).
Wish me luck.
Good LuckQuote:
Originally posted by xDUCK
I almost ALWAYS cleared my CMOS like that. Never gave my Asus any problems. Of course, we all (ok, maybe just me and Colossus :)) know how my NF7-S turned out... Oh well, the board was crap anyway, was going to RMA/exchange it today. It's at the shop as we speak... Hopefully it is, in fact, the motherboard, and not the CPU as well (they'd have to send that to AMD).
Wish me luck.
No, no!! NOT AT ALL.....I was referring to your 'godly and rare' part...I was just saying that a lot of us have good o'c's - only a rare few of us (Tbird, sorry....)seem to have the 'SF webcam' on every aspect of it....Geez, if you think that I think you were jealous....'twas NOT my intent at all!!Quote:
Originally posted by lostlilchild6
[BHwmicre... I dont think I understand what you meant... did you mean that Im jealous of Tbird... or you are? I wasn't sure, that's why Im asking, cause Im curious :). Your comment had momentarly baffled me :). [/B]
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Originally posted by hwmicre
No, no!! NOT AT ALL.....I was referring to your 'godly and rare' part...I was just saying that a lot of us have good o'c's - only a rare few of us (Tbird, sorry....)seem to have the 'SF webcam' on every aspect of it....Geez, if you think that I think you were jealous....'twas NOT my intent at all!!
Oh ok, hehe.. it's cool bro :). Tbird is the one that thinks I'm jealous of him, lol... whatever.
But yeah... I agree. Tbird seems to be one of the only ones that boasts ALOT about his overclock... even though there's nothing spectacular about it. :). Or impressive for that matter.
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we still don't know what speed you really run the 2000+ at, in all the posts asking about that, you have conveniently left that info out."
with all due respect, you dance around questions and leave omissions like a vendor at a flea market, and still won't give the answer to what was asked.
yes,i know you BENCHED @ 2475Mhz, 2.2vre, but i know you are not running that everyday, i would even shudder a bit running 2.2 on air only myself.
what i asked is what speed is she running at day to day? 2.38 @ 1.95vre????, or slightly lower, knowing you hate to use too much 'juice', i suspect lower. this has been asked several times, not always by me, either.
so what is it?
what speed do you run day to day??? what vre, what FSB???
my sig gives two figures, the max it will run, and the speed i am running at now, kinda esplains everything. your sig is a mess of misinformation and far too long anyway.
point in fact..........................
"Maxtor 30GB 7200rpm(R.I.P)"
who cares for bleaping out loud, it is dead, gone, and no longer part of the picture.
as far as your opinion on stable, to each his own, i don't like getting kicked to the desktop or having strange stuffs happen, even if only once a week, or once a month.
there is no such thing as 95% stable, this means at the most inconvenient time your system could hiccup and blast whatever you are doing, maybe it hasn't happened yet to you, but it will.
baldy:D
hehehe...i especially liked this comment lost...Quote:
Originally posted by lostlilchild6
Now, I know what Tbird is going to say... "the 2400+ doesn't count because the clock speed is already 2.0GHz, so it has an advantage" Or something lame like that. So here's this... why is it that Mo's 1700+ can hit 2.5+GHz? <<< This one goes for Tbird.
and where is the comment from Tbirdy?
Lets let the dead rest