How about the poor mortals like us? We still have Radeon 8500!

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09-13-2003, 07:00 PM
melee

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Originally posted by soupnazi
I wish I had a Geforce 2 Ultra. Those used to be monsters.:D

you know whats funny? there was an old commercial for halo and geforce2 gts. It was all about the great framerates and showed all these xbox scene of people firing gun, on the xbox's geforce 3.5.
Well anyway, I go tthe halo PC beta 1.5 and it barely runs on my geforce 4 4200, I have to put it at 1024x724. Plus it dont ahve dx 9 stuff. For the fun of it I threw my geforce 2 back in my lappy and tried halo beta and it wouldnt load (9000m got my 800x600 with all settings) I laugh at the irony. I bet the 9800 is gonna be awesome on it. And as I ramble on I might add some conspracy that this was al ment to happen because M$ new they were gonna switch to ATI for the xbox.

/ramble
09-13-2003, 07:24 PM
ComputerManiacs

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Originally posted by GetCarter
1) Work
2) Save up your money
3) Rob a bank

I picked number 2), all the money I got from my grandparents and stuff since I think 8th grade, I saved it up. Today, its $2000 total, and going strong baby :D And that budget no longer includes the screen, since I am getting reimbursed for the $476 I wasted on this other LCD, I am at $2000 flat :D

I did #3 couple months ago, that is how I got my new rig.

:D :D :D :D (Just kidding around).

I worked hard for this rig. Therefore, I am going to play hard with it too. :)

Have a nice day!!!!

Computer Maniac :)
09-13-2003, 07:35 PM
KaoTiK

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Originally posted by Chuck232
Well let's look at it this way. A Ti4600 actually does pretty decently although it was running at DX8 mode in the Anand review. This game is all about shaders and AFAIK, the R8500/LE has very strong shaders. I can see the 8500/LE doing as well, if not better than a Ti4600 under DX8/8.1 mode. Sure you'll sacrafice some shading available under PS2.0, but hopefully you won't spend too much time gawking at the water instead of killing aliens or whatever..;) :D

Better than a 4600? I have never seen any benchmark ever where the 8500LE beat the Ti4600...
09-13-2003, 10:35 PM
Chuck232

No we have not, and that's probably because games since now didn't stress the shaders nearly as much as HL2 does/will. Which is why I'm putting out the idea that the R8500 may be "better" than the Ti4200/4400/4600 series.
09-13-2003, 10:48 PM
shape

also, is it the Geforce 4 or 3 that only had up to 1.3 shader spec? the 8500/le/9000/9100/9200 (god there are to many based on the 8500) use the newer 1.4 spec, from what i read, the main diffrence is the 1.4 lets it do most of the shaders in one pass, instead of 2 like the 1.3/1.1 spec (this was in the doom 3 update by john at one point) so if hl2 has (1.4) shader specs programed in along with it, and say the 8500 uses those, and the geforce goes to use the 1.3, then the 8500's should (should) never know untill some benchmarks really look at just that, perform better (in shaders)

(just dug it up) from his .plan update awhile ago.

"The fragment level processing is clearly way better on the 8500 than on the Nvidia products, including the latest GF4. You have six individual textures, but you can access the textures twice, giving up to eleven possible texture accesses in a single pass, and the dependent texture operation is much more sensible. This wound up being a perfect fit for Doom, because the standard path could be implemented with six unique textures, but required one texture (a normalization cube map) to be accessed twice. The vast majority of Doom light / surface interaction rendering will be a single pass on the 8500, in contrast to two or three passes, depending on the number of color components in a light, for GF3/GF4."
09-14-2003, 01:12 AM
Jay20016

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Originally posted by KaoTiK
Better than a 4600? I have never seen any benchmark ever where the 8500LE beat the Ti4600...

It may very well be the case for the normal 8500s, but I doubt the crippled versions (AiW DV, LE, etc.) will be better. I guess we'll see when HL2 is released.

By the way, did you get your 9700P working Kaotik, as judging by the sig it doesn't look that way....
09-14-2003, 03:05 AM
Plok

I'm wondering how 64MB cards will handle HL2 since I've got a 64MB 8500LE. I'm guessing I'm screwed.
09-14-2003, 07:21 AM
Casper1612

Well, I suppose I could of upgraded to a new video card a few months back but deceided on a new car, big screen TV, fridge and other assorted things. I guess since I'm married with kids certain things have to take priority. No matter, I'll just see how it goes and, if needed, upgrade to a 9700pro or thereabouts. I think that should handle it ok.

Cheers,
09-14-2003, 07:57 AM
Chuck232

A R9800np isn't too tough on the wallet and even a R9600 Pro would give pretty good performance.
09-14-2003, 08:16 AM
Casper1612

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Originally posted by Chuck232
A R9800np isn't too tough on the wallet and even a R9600 Pro would give pretty good performance.

You obviously dont live in Australia. Say bye bye to $600+

Cheers,
09-14-2003, 08:39 AM
Chuck232

Heh.. I'm in Canada, and I know what you mean. But a R9800np is only ~$350 up here...:eek:
09-14-2003, 08:49 AM
Casper1612

Cheapest 9700Pro - $569 (Powercolour)
Cheapest 9800Pro - $649 (Mercury)

ATI RADEON 9800Pro SAPPHIRE ATLANTIS 9800PRO, 128meg DDR, 256bit Memory interface, 8x AGP, DirectX 9 compliant, Smartshader, Smoothvision and Videoshader technology. $719

Australia, where they will rip you off any way they can!

Cheers,
09-14-2003, 10:28 AM
drdoom

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Originally posted by Casper1612
Cheapest 9700Pro - $569 (Powercolour)
Cheapest 9800Pro - $649 (Mercury)

ATI RADEON 9800Pro SAPPHIRE ATLANTIS 9800PRO, 128meg DDR, 256bit Memory interface, 8x AGP, DirectX 9 compliant, Smartshader, Smoothvision and Videoshader technology. $719

Australia, where they will rip you off any way they can!

Cheers,

Is that Aussie dollars? If so what is the exchange rate for USD? Anyway all that is extra money is VAT isn't it. Got to pay for everyone on the dole I guess and computer gamers don't have much pull in the parliment I'll bet. So you got a big FU from your MP. Here in the US over the net we don't even have to pay sales tax. Woohoo.
You are a god Senator Allen.
09-14-2003, 10:35 AM
mikeysg

No kidding! I've just got back from NZ and I bought Ausralian PC Authority (Sept issue) and I just could not believe the listed prices :
Gainward FX5900@$879 vs Hercules 9800Pro@$799

The review favours nVidia's cards quite heavily, and I quote :

Quote:

"The Ultra versions of the GeForce FX 5900 give the card a boost in the Codecreatures Stress Test, indicating they may have slightly longer legs in the next generation of games. DirectX 9 performance is also strong with the GeForce FX 5900, especially at max settings."

The MSI FX 5900U goes for a whopping $1100!:eek: Makes me glad I'm living where I am for now.:D
09-14-2003, 11:20 AM
Chuck232

I like the quote mikey..;) :p

BTW, congrats on 1500 posts. At least you're not too lazy to post.;)
09-14-2003, 11:41 AM
mikeysg

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Originally posted by Chuck232
I like the quote mikey..;) :p

BTW, congrats on 1500 posts. At least you're not too lazy to post.;)

Thanks Chucky, I'm really quite tired - Taking a family holiday's really quite tiring! ;) . Damn! Didn't even noticed it was my 1500th posts, gotta get me a life outside of Sharky:p :D .

PS : I've just got back from NZ and posting here is the 1st thing I did! (See what I mean when I said I gotta get a life?:o )
09-14-2003, 11:42 AM
gurutoo

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Originally posted by soupnazi
I wish I had a Geforce 2 Ultra. Those used to be monsters.:D

Hahaha. So did I! :D (used to be a monster) 6" 5" 250 rock solid pounds with a (abdominal)6 spack to go...
27 years old and in my natural prime. Hell, the girls used to whistle at me. Now at 51, they just call me sir and hold the door open for me...:(

Aaaahh waxing nostalgic for those "Glory Days" (Bruce Springsteen):D

EDIT: But, I digress, my 8500LE plays the hell out of UT2003 at 1024X768-very pretty.

Hercules 9800 PRO coming soon to a beast near me...:D
09-14-2003, 11:43 AM
melee

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Originally posted by mikeysg
Thanks Chucky, I'm really quite tired - Taking a family holiday's really quite tiring! ;) . Damn! Didn't even noticed it was my 1500th posts, gotta get me a life outside of Sharky:p :D .

I tried that, now I have 2500 posts at the bfnation forums. Can back here since its been down a bit.
09-14-2003, 05:08 PM
Casper1612

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Originally posted by drdoom
Is that Aussie dollars? If so what is the exchange rate for USD? Anyway all that is extra money is VAT isn't it. Got to pay for everyone on the dole I guess and computer gamers don't have much pull in the parliment I'll bet. So you got a big FU from your MP. Here in the US over the net we don't even have to pay sales tax. Woohoo.
You are a god Senator Allen.

yep, $AU. The exchange is AU$1 = US$0.66. But it's not the correct comparison as the average AU wage is similar to the average US wage, but in $AU instead of $US. So we're screwed.
How does Gas for $0.96 a LITRE sound? Thats about $4.50 a Gallon.
09-14-2003, 05:15 PM
Chuck232

Ouch... that's real tough. I think even Canadian money is worth more!:eek:
09-14-2003, 06:25 PM
Cam

I have an 8500 Retail 64 Meg in my old Athlon 1000 system. I'm curious to see how it handles the new HL2 bench out at the end of the month. I don't think 8500 owners need to feel anywhere as bad as folks who bought 5200 & 5600 GFFx's. They have a right to cry about poor performance.
09-15-2003, 01:19 PM
Moridin

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Originally posted by Cam
I don't think 8500 owners need to feel anywhere as bad as folks who bought 5200 & 5600 GFFx's. They have a right to cry about poor performance.

I doubt the 8500 will offer any advantage over an FX 5600. Ultimately the 5600 may be better off running in DX8.1 mode, but that is the best you can get out of an 8500, and the 5600 will almost certainly end up being faster in that mode.
09-15-2003, 03:28 PM
Chuck232

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Originally posted by Moridin
I doubt the 8500 will offer any advantage over an FX 5600. Ultimately the 5600 may be better off running in DX8.1 mode, but that is the best you can get out of an 8500, and the 5600 will almost certainly end up being faster in that mode.

I'm not so sure:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1863&p=8

Take a look at that, especially the FX5600U and R9200 both in DX8.1 modes. As you can see, even the R9200 beats the FX5600U, so why wouldn't a R8500?
09-15-2003, 03:42 PM
Moridin

I'm not saying it's out of the question, but I still don't think it will happen. It's difficult to get the best out of the FX series, but in the end I think they should still outperform the 8500. There is still likely to be a lot of legitimate opportunity for driver optimization for the 5600 while the 8500 is basically static at this point.
09-15-2003, 03:46 PM
Iceball_AARF

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Originally posted by Chuck232
I'm not so sure:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1863&p=8

Take a look at that, especially the FX5600U and R9200 both in DX8.1 modes. As you can see, even the R9200 beats the FX5600U, so why wouldn't a R8500?

The 9200 score was invalidated because of heavy artifacting, they state so in the article.

Peace.

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