Will a 9600 XT blow away a ti4200 ?

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10-06-2003, 09:50 AM
mikeysg

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Originally posted by dimmy32
I really do apprieciate everyone's opinion !

Should be interesting to see some real benchmarks on the 9600 XT card...I've seen plenty on the 9800XT ....beautiful card, but totally unaffordable. :(

I agree 100% :eek: Wonder if they have installment plans for poor smucks like us humble mortals...:p :D
10-06-2003, 09:59 AM
ryandinan

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Originally posted by pa555
All of the XT cards will come with Hald life 2 in the box or a voucher as Half life 2 is delayed! Also keep in mind it may only be the single player version.

If I was you I would wait, keep saving your money & buy the 9800 Pro. The 9800 Pro is by far better that the ti4200 & may go down in price by the end of the year...

Whats up with the price of the 9600 Pro in Canada? https://buy.ati.com/shopati/find.asp...00&country=CAN

Canada
PRE-ORDER RADEON 9600 XT 128MB AGP Price: $299.00 CDN
RADEON 9600 128MB AGP Price: $299.00 CDN
RADEON 9600 PRO 128MB AGP Price: $349.00 CDN

USA
PRE-ORDER RADEON 9600 XT 128MB AGP Price: $199.00 US
RADEON 9600 128MB AGP Price: $169.00 US
RADEON 9600 PRO 128MB AGP Price: $199.00 US

Paul

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All initial shipping XT cards will come with a voucher for HL2 - and it will be for the FULL version (single/multi). This was verified by ATI...I wish I had the link..

-Ryan
10-06-2003, 10:20 AM
lightbulb8817

Yeah, Tomshardware.com says the 9600 XT will be the 1st main stream card to be faster than the 9700 Pro.

Also, someone said to get 9800np instead of the 9600 xt... but the problem is no one carries the 9800 np anymore! (Newegg, Mwave...) They only carry 9800se which is said to perform poorly.
10-06-2003, 10:25 AM
lonewolfroger

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Originally posted by lightbulb8817
Yeah, Tomshardware.com says the 9600 XT will be the 1st main stream card to be faster than the 9700 Pro.

Also, someone said to get 9800np instead of the 9600 xt... but the problem is no one carries the 9800 np anymore! (Newegg, Mwave...) They only carry 9800se which is said to perform poorly.

They still have the 9800np`s at BB, also, I want to see the 9600XT with just a 128bit memory controler and just 4 pipelines. Beat a 9700 pro or even the 9700np.
10-06-2003, 10:26 AM
lightbulb8817

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Originally posted by lonewolfroger
They still have the 9800np`s at BB, also, I want to see the 9600XT with just a 128bit memory controler and just 4 pipelines. Beat a 9700 pro or even the 9700np.

How much at BB? hehe
10-06-2003, 10:29 AM
lonewolfroger

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Originally posted by lightbulb8817
How much at BB? hehe

I paid $270. including tax for mine, at my local store. They are however now listed online for $239.99.
10-06-2003, 10:34 AM
Farmer_BOB

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Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
exactly. I dont know why you guys get all excited about a 9600 pro, its slower than a ti4200 without aa/af

What are you talking about? I've never seen a benchmark where the 4200 beats the 9600pro? :confused:
10-06-2003, 10:51 AM
Jonas79

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Originally posted by Farmer_BOB
What are you talking about? I've never seen a benchmark where the 4200 beats the 9600pro? :confused:

Tadaa:

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/...ournament_2003

Also see the following pages for some more scores. Well, it's the AGP8X version of the ti4200, but anyway. As you can see the ti4200 and the 9600 Pro are very close when there is no AA and AF involved, and the ti4200 sometimes beats the 9600 Pro.
10-06-2003, 11:07 AM
Farmer_BOB

That's weird? I thought the 5600Ultra was the heir to the 4600's throne (that could be the 1st revision of the 5600). Why is it losing to a 4200? Plus, now I know why I said that, I'm a Anandtech fan, 'cause I think Toms is cooked (not just vid cards, everything in general). Here's Anand's benchies...click here. The 4200 is close to the 9600pro, 'cause the 9600pro is supposed to match up with the 4600. Anand's benchies are more reflective of how I remember the benchies/performance of cards to be.
10-06-2003, 11:43 AM
crashed13

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Originally posted by Jonas79
Tadaa:

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/...ournament_2003

Also see the following pages for some more scores. Well, it's the AGP8X version of the ti4200, but anyway. As you can see the ti4200 and the 9600 Pro are very close when there is no AA and AF involved, and the ti4200 sometimes beats the 9600 Pro.

Your link's UT2003 Fly By at 1024x768 with the 4200 at 102FBS and the 9600 Pro at 92FBS hardly a differance to me.

Now look what the 9600 does to a much faster Ti 4600 in the same test but with the eye candy turned on.

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardwa...xaa8xaniso.gif

And look at the overclocked 9600 it beats a Ti 4600 in any test.
10-06-2003, 01:08 PM
THE SHADOW

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Originally posted by dimmy32

The ti4200 runs most current games pretty well, in fact it's a very fast graphics card...some of the newer games ( bf 1942 ) tend to lag at times , but not much.

I do not notice any lag on my 4200. I play at 1024*768 max everything 2x AA.

The only lag I get in desert combat is of the network connection type.
But the V8420 deluxe was one of the better cards that came out last year.
10-06-2003, 01:35 PM
crashed13

My card has a easy time with BF 1942 at 1024x768 at max detail so a Ti4200 should breeze through that game.:)
10-06-2003, 01:57 PM
lightbulb8817

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Originally posted by crashed13
My card has a easy time with BF 1942 at 1024x768 at max detail so a Ti4200 should breeze through that game.:)

I guess you like sacrificing frame rates. My ti4600 is running bf1942 fairly well, but slows down quite a bit if I turn on AA/AF.
10-06-2003, 02:55 PM
john99

lightbulb8817
Can you post the link to your statement:
"Yeah, Tomshardware.com says the 9600 XT will be the 1st main stream card to be faster than the 9700 Pro."

&, for those who are interested in how the it4600 stags up against the 9600 pro.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic..._guide-12.html

Let just say it stags up very well.
10-06-2003, 03:02 PM
crashed13

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Originally posted by lightbulb8817
I guess you like sacrificing frame rates. My ti4600 is running bf1942 fairly well, but slows down quite a bit if I turn on AA/AF.

I have AA & AF tuned off but I always play at 40-70Fps so slow down is hard to impossible notice.
10-06-2003, 04:13 PM
dimmy32

I run my ti4200 @ 1280 X 720 ( higher res ) with quinqux AA on, no aniso ....the slow dows are sporatic, and happen when there's a lot of stuff going on , but nothing to really bother me. Overall the ti4200 runs everything pretty smooth . :)
10-06-2003, 05:34 PM
CMDJ

My Ti4200 (128/4x agp) on my AMD 2600 runs perfect at those resolutions in both classic BF1942 and DC. It had SOME slowdowns on my old XP1500 system, but since i put in new proc/mb combo it has run like a charm all the time. I'm still considering a 9600 in the future for the extra DX9 eye candy, but then again I may wait til next year for new ATI and Nvidia chips, as well as the S3 and XGI cards, then make a decision. I'd stick with the 4200 for a while longer, overclock it a little if you need to, and wait until the FOUR new chip releases :).
10-06-2003, 05:49 PM
Boneycat

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I run my ti4200 @ 1280 X 720 ( higher res ) with quinqux AA on, no aniso ....the slow dows are sporatic, and happen when there's a lot of stuff going on , but nothing to really bother me. Overall the ti4200 runs everything pretty smooth .

Same here. My ti4200 is just a great card for the price (at the time). I've been wanting to upgrade but so far nothing sticks out. Now before you flame me for that last statement we have to compare apples to oranges. Remember that the ti4200 was the "budget" gf4 card. To compare it to the $275 9700 pro or the $350 9800 pro is just not gonna cut in in my book. That and the 4200 is almost two years old. The fact that the 4200 is still being mentioned after all this time is a testimony in and of itself. I would love to find another one of these so called "budget" cards that will give me another two years or so of great gaming experiences without breaking the bank. Now if the real world gameplay experience of the 9600xt is that of the real world gameplay of a 9800np (not any of these "tom's benchmark said this" or "anandtech's said that" nonesense) then this very well could be the new "4200". It would have to be priced right as well. The good news is that HL2 and D3 won't be out for just a bit giving more time for the 9600xt and 9700 pro to come down in price. One last thing: Has anyone noticed that ATI seems to discontinue good cards before they have a chance to come down in price. Take the 9800np for example. A great card that was just starting to come in at under $200 get's discontinued and in it's place is some crummy version. Any thoughts?
10-06-2003, 06:05 PM
lightbulb8817

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Originally posted by john99
lightbulb8817
Can you post the link to your statement:
"Yeah, Tomshardware.com says the 9600 XT will be the 1st main stream card to be faster than the 9700 Pro."...

Ooops, it was actually anandtech i got the info from:
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1890&p=3

"ATI is also announcing the Radeon 9600 XT; a much more exciting derivative of the Radeon 9600 Pro based on a low-k dielectric 0.13-micron process. The benefits of a low-k dielectric are mainly related to shielding from crosstalk in high transistor density chips; the benefit of a low-k process is mainly the ability to scale up clock speeds, which is why you will see that ATI is able to clock the 9600 XT at 500MHz. According to ATI, the Radeon 9600 XT should be the first mainstream part to outperform the Radeon 9700 Pro in all situations – not bad for a $199 card."
10-06-2003, 10:32 PM
Thunderbird1GHz

will someone explain the logic how going from a 9600 pro at 400/600 to 500/600 of the xt, another 100MHz core means the difference between getting eaten by a 9500 pro and eating a 9700 pro :confused:
10-06-2003, 10:55 PM
john99

Thanks lightbulb8817 for the link.
It a shame that company has to talk down their old product so that they can sell their new stuff. I doubt it vey much that the 9600xt can out perform the 9700pro hands down. Can't wait for some side by side test results.
10-06-2003, 11:33 PM
lightbulb8817

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Originally posted by john99
Thanks lightbulb8817 for the link.
It a shame that company has to talk down their old product so that they can sell their new stuff. I doubt it vey much that the 9600xt can out perform the 9700pro hands down. Can't wait for some side by side test results.

Me too. I have to see it to believe it... but it does sound good on paper! $199!!!!!!
10-07-2003, 12:43 AM
Raqia

Sorry if this has been posted before but:

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTAyLDEx

they did simulated the specs of the XT before and the increases in performance is somewhat laughable when you compare them with the 9700, though 10-15% is nothing to sneeze at. What will be interesting is how much the XT itself will OC. Here's hoping for 650/700 atleast!
10-07-2003, 01:22 AM
speed freak

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Originally posted by pa555
All of the XT cards will come with Hald life 2 in the box or a voucher as Half life 2 is delayed! Also keep in mind it may only be the single player version.

If I was you I would wait, keep saving your money & buy the 9800 Pro. The 9800 Pro is by far better that the ti4200 & may go down in price by the end of the year...

Whats up with the price of the 9600 Pro in Canada? https://buy.ati.com/shopati/find.asp...00&country=CAN

Canada
PRE-ORDER RADEON 9600 XT 128MB AGP Price: $299.00 CDN
RADEON 9600 128MB AGP Price: $299.00 CDN
RADEON 9600 PRO 128MB AGP Price: $349.00 CDN

USA
PRE-ORDER RADEON 9600 XT 128MB AGP Price: $199.00 US
RADEON 9600 128MB AGP Price: $169.00 US
RADEON 9600 PRO 128MB AGP Price: $199.00 US

Paul

9600 and 9600 pro are being discontinued, resulting in price rises just like the 950 pro due to availability.
10-07-2003, 01:54 AM
Thunderbird1GHz

doesnt that suck? well at least you can still get em on ebay, maybe people will start dumping their 9600 pros cheap for the 9600xt with HL2 :) is the 9800 also gonna be discountiuned? If so, itll be just the 9200 for low end, 9600xt for high end and 9800xt for overkill LOL

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