3dmark is owning me....

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10-24-2003, 05:54 PM
Un4given

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Originally posted by melee
Hehe, thats the one thing I havent fooled around with (ram),

I had it pretty good, when I had 512mb, (I think thats when I got 13k) but when I upgraded, I had to start new, and never really did anything.

Im gonna see if I can fool around with the timings (I think thats the problem)

funny thing is, I got around the same score on high detail car chase with my cpu at stock and o/c:

thats like 1.5 fps difference :confused:

I am waiting to do major stuff, to my cpu, until I get some more cooling, right now its at 98'F idle.... (about 103 when running stuff)
But i think my bottleneck lies in the ram.

Could having 1.5gbs free on my windows parition (I have 20gb free on apps partition) have any effect on the peformance.

Also I heard turning 3dmarks prioty to "real time" gets you more marks, true or false?

Oh, I think I am becoming a whore.

Thanks!

I was using 3Dmark to stress test some new memory the other day, and once I got all that worked out I moved on to the timings. At SPD the memory went to 3,4,4,8. Once I moved just the CAS from 3 to 2.5 I gained 200 marks. I haven't run the benchmark again with the RAS-to-CAS and RAS latencies at 3.
10-24-2003, 07:11 PM
melee

I took out one of my 512mb sticks (left in the crucal) and got the EXACT same score :confused: :confused:
10-24-2003, 09:49 PM
ranger2992

Ok it's time to really start to work on this problem :D

First lets get your timmings as low as possible. You don't list your MB in your sig so I really don't know what it's capable of, but our goal is 2,2,2,5. PC 2100 memory is going to be a big limiting factor in your rig. With that slow of DDR you are crippled by your dividers right out of the gate. Try to beg, borrow or steal some PC3200 as a minimum and you will be a happy camper. BTW (shameless plug) I have some PC3700 ram in the FS section.

Anyway on to the tricks of the trade.

1. Yes setting the priority to "realtime" will have a big impact. Usually 5-10 fps in the CPU intensive tests for me.

2. Run the tests individually. play with the order in which you run the tests in and give yourself 2-3 minutes in between tests to let your rig cooldown.

3. If you're using XP go to Start>Run and type in MSCONFIG. Choose diagnostic startup and reboot your computer. By doing this XP will start with only the bare minimum of services.

4. Take the side off your case and get an extra fan blowing on your card. If you have A/C crank it up and get it good and cold in your room. Once you do this, OC the sh!t out of your card. Slight artifacts are ok n the tests, but bad artifacts will kill your score. You only need to OC your card to the max on Dragon and Nature because those are the 2 VC intensive tests. Back it down by 5 Mhz for Car and Lobby because those are the CPU intensive tests.

5.Ditch as much as you can from your C drive. If you only have 1.5 Gb free I would say you probably have a fragmentation problem. I don't know what that partitions capasity is, but I don't like to run mine unless it's atleast got 70 free space.

6. Download Cacheman and use it to tweak your memory related settings in windows. I also use the recovery feature between every test.

7. If you rig is not crashing when you are running these tests you are not OC'd far enough. Keep cranking things up until you hit a point where everything starts to crash. Start with your CPU OC and keep going up until it crashes. Back it back down 2-3 Mhz on the FSB. Next do the same to your VC. First push the core as hard as you possibly can and use Nature to test your OC. When you start to get hard lockups and have to reboot you know you have hit your VC cores limit, back it down 2-3 Mhz. Now move onto the VC memory. Repeat the same steps as you did for the core. This time you are not going to get hard lockups though. This time you are going to get artifacts and get dropped back to the desktop when it's pushed to hard. You also really need to pay close attention to the nature score. Too much of an OC on the memory will result in a lower.

8. KEEP ACCURATE RECORDS OF EVERY SETTING YOU CHANGE. Try to test each individual setting you change. If you go through and change 10 things at once and then have problems how are you going to know what FUBARED your rig.

9. COOLING IS KING. Get as ghetto as you need to be. Cooler temps mean higher OC's

10. I got about 50 more tweaks i'll tell you about later after you have mastered these. Good luck :D :D
10-24-2003, 10:23 PM
melee

THANKS!

First my Mobo is limited to 2100, I can do nothing about that. Next time I upgrade my mobo is when I'll upgrade my CPU... With a 2.53ghz [3ghz] CPU thats not gonna be for a while.

Also, I have a 5gb partition for windows.

My docs is on the apps partition, I have no idea whats taking up space, I defragged both drives...

I dont really feel like pounding the hell outa my system for 3dmark, I want it to be the same setup as I run games in...

I am gonna tweak the ram see if that helps, may do a full reformat also.

Thanks for all the advice!
10-24-2003, 10:31 PM
icecube_of_death

Ranger, do you know how to disable the startup for the stupid norton antivirus things? I unchecked everything in StartupCPL but then it still have some of the files from norton running at the background after booting... The files are ccSetMgr.exe and ccEvtMgr.exe

There are probably more but those 2 are the most obvious right now, thx.
10-24-2003, 10:59 PM
ranger2992

You system is not limited to using PC2100 ram. That is the ram it officially supports. You can throw PC3200 in there and it will work fine. The PC3200 will give you more headroom on your OC and offer you better timings.

Icecube. Do the diagnostic startup and then bring back onlty what you need. Like your internet connection (DHCP in services) that should kill Norton on startup.
10-24-2003, 11:08 PM
melee

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Originally posted by ranger2992
You system is not limited to using PC2100 ram. That is the ram it officially supports. You can throw PC3200 in there and it will work fine. The PC3200 will give you more headroom on your OC and offer you better timings.

Icecube. Do the diagnostic startup and then bring back onlty what you need. Like your internet connection (DHCP in services) that should kill Norton on startup.

Your kidding me? I just bought another 512mb stick a month ago...
10-24-2003, 11:10 PM
ranger2992

LOL you can always put higher rated memory in. DDR is DDR. The highest official support any motherboard offers is PC3200. I run PC4000. The faster ram is all about getting headroom for overclocking
10-24-2003, 11:15 PM
icecube_of_death

Quote:

Originally posted by ranger2992
Do the diagnostic startup and then bring back onlty what you need. Like your internet connection (DHCP in services) that should kill Norton on startup.

um... I dunno how to do diagnostic startup in win2k since it doesn't have msconfig...
10-24-2003, 11:18 PM
ranger2992

You know you can download MSCONFIG for win2000. Just do a search and you will find it on the net. By far it's the best program for killing startup apps IMO
10-24-2003, 11:20 PM
icecube_of_death

Oh I didn't know that, I only know how to disable them using StartupCPL, thx a lot anyways :)
10-24-2003, 11:25 PM
ranger2992

Here you go buddy

http://www.techadvice.com/win2000/m/msconfig_w2k.htm

Here's a better one, this is the XP version of msconfig
http://windows.about.com/gi/dynamic/...downloads.html
10-25-2003, 12:02 AM
icecube_of_death

Yep got it, once again, thx a lot... All I need to figure out right now is how to disable the stupid Norton thingie... :o

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