I'm sure it can be put back - besides AS5 (or similar) - just also need a nice seal around the edge
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I'm sure it can be put back - besides AS5 (or similar) - just also need a nice seal around the edge
I have been *riddled* with heat issues on my AMD 64-3500... with air cooling it never ran, i mean even idled, at less than 50 degrees (all temps are in Celsius) and i have even water cooled the system (i liquid cool all my systems and build custom liquid cooled systems as a business) and it still ran up in the 50's - so, i tried everything... thinking *maybe* it was the motherboard, an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, which have been known to report wrong temps... but even in an Asus board it was bad... so today i finally took the plunge and removed the IHS from it... now, with the original, stock AMD HS/F, it runs at idle around 38-40 and will, under load, hit a max of 54... whereas before it was idling around 50 and overheating under full load... this is a HUGE difference and also a big relief.
After removing the IHS, i saw that not only was the thermal compound (cheap crappy stuff they used) brittle and flaking off, but it did not contact the IHS on almost all of the die - so very little heat that was being put off by the cpu die was actually getting transferred to the IHS at all... well, that problem has been licked and now i will go back and water cool it as was the original plan for this system, and then i am going to do the same thing to my liquid cooled 64-3200... it is running a smooth and cool 34 at idle and no more than 42 under load with the IHS on it, but heck, if i can dump a couple more degrees by taking it off... then away i go... razor blade in hand!
I will post my results for that system, and for the 3500 once it is water cooled also.
3500 system:
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum mobo (socket 939)
AMD 64-3500 CPU
2x 512 Kingston PC3200 Ram (Dual Channel)
BFG 6800 Ultra OC
Antec 550 watt PSU
WD 200gig, 7200rpm, 8meg cache HDD
Sony Dual layer DVD burner
3200 System:
ASUS K8V-SE Deluxe mobo (socket 754)
AMD 64-3200 CPU
2x 512 Kingston PC3200 Ram (dual channel)
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, 128 meg
Vantec Ion PSU
WD 200gig, 7200rpm, 8meg cache HDD
Sony Dual layer DVD burner
LG cd burner
Liquid cooled with --->
Danger Den RBX CPU water block
Danger Den Maze4 Chipset block
Danger Den Maze4 Video block
dual cd-bay reservoir
1/2" blue tubing
swiftech MCP600 pump
1x 4" NortHWateR Xtreme Xchanger (billet aluminum heat exchanger, custom made by me)
2x 6" NortHWateR Xtreme Xchangers (billet aluminum heat exchanger, custom made by me)
Black Ice Extreme 120mm radiator with Panaflo 115cfm 120mm fan
The picture is a little old and there have been changes since it was taken, like:
rounded blue IDE cables
rad mounting
added the panaflo fan and removed the coolermaster shown in the pic
cleaned up and organized a lot better... this pic was taken right after the system was whacked together for testing - i always rip them down again and set them up better after they pass the testing phase :cool:
http://www.kw.igs.net/~northwizard/3...uploadable.jpg
How large is the OD of those tubes? They look ridiculously large. :eek:
I might think about that when I'm at a point where I can afford to replace my X2 if something goes wrong.
Eric
nice setup northwizard, welcome to sharkies
Looks like 1/2" ID, so that would make OD 5/8". In theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by punkrunning
Nice pictures chuck... I dont know if I ever want to remove the IHS on any of my procs due to the idea of crushing the core under pressure...
But that is quite a interesting and decent result on removing it. I wonder if one can remove the IHS, file down the edges, glue it back on with some AS5 on the core. Then reset it back and off you go :)
Id take mine off, perhaps i will when my phase change gets here. But i think i will have to wait untill i have a few hundred dolars ready to spend, in case something goes wrong.
Yeah probably AS5 and making sure it comes in good contact with the IHS is all you need to get 90% of the benefits of removing it completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colossus
Well the tension was definitely the problem, I put a penny on top of my waterblock but under the tensioning screw and saw an idle drop to about 36C, and full load is about 49C. Not too bad for some crapass (but quiet) watercooling, San Diego at 290x10 with about 1.68V.Quote:
Originally Posted by adslegend
Yeah Colossus, I was pretty freaked at first about putting that massive block of a heatsink on there. But everything I read told me that as long as I wasn't a klutz and didn't slam the thing on there it would be fine. And indeed it was.
I've never seemed to have a problem. Athlon 64 3500+ 1.67V @ 2.6Ghz on water = (depends on room temp, but if room is at like ~22C) 33-35C Idle, 38-40C Full Load....
Granted, I have my block on there....TIGHT, and there is some AS5 between the block and the IHS....
Hmmm, wow 1.67v.. I guess I should be happy with 2.7Ghz @ 1.40v or so :)
But I dont know if I want to remove my IHS... Maybe after I drop my crappy A64 I might do that unless I just toss it in the trash :)
Its a NEWCASTLE....hehe
Actually I am VERY surprised it even works this far. I've seen most Newcastles top out around 2.3-2.4Ghz....
I got LUCKY....
I got the 3500+ just when it came out on Newegg and there was a sale.....for 352$....
Its ok though. 1.67V for a .13 chip really isn't bad at all....considering I got a Barton running on water @ 1.93V :D
I don't know about that... mine is Newcastle core as well (3000+) but if I use 133 or 100 memory divider, I could go 2.6 GHz no problem. But the sucky mem. bandwidth wasn't worth it. I currently run 2.45 GHz no problem. Andy my Vcore is 1.55V. Yours has to be burning hot!! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by RPG Junkie
35-38C Idle right now cause its HOT in my roomQuote:
Originally Posted by proxops-pete
40-42C Full Load.....otherwise its the other temps I typed up
Well, you are running cooler than I am! :)
My idle is 49C, and load temp upto 58C or so... I suspect it's the MBM 5 reporting incorrectly... either that or IHS is crappy (like many are stating)... oh well. It works.
Well, he's also using a w/cing setup, so that could account for something. ;)
So these HSFs really do lower the temps a lot. I'm currently at around 50-60 C while working, and it's not OCed. These stock fans seem like real crap. I gotta look around for something better.
Yes indeed. Think about it, huge hunks of copper compared to small aluminum ones. ;) Not to mention big fans. Yes, lots of big fans.:D