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Originally Posted by Soul Assassin
ha Ha..you forgot to add the idle bench, which is where a laptop spends most of its time.
http://www.laptoplogic.com/data/reso...ymark-life.gif
Once again....your statement was "Since they compete and as far as the rest of the world knows, the Dothan spanks it in both performance and power usage.'
NEITHER of which is true...last time....what was your point??? ;) :p
rofl.
If your laptop spends most of its time idle, maybe you should buy a PDA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Almost Famous
Mine actually spends most of its time doing work, and when I'm running F@H on it, it spends all of its time doing work. Hell even something as simple as software resampling in foobar takes a good 20% of the CPU and I'm listening to music quite a bit.
Next you'll be telling me that AMD is comparable because at 200mhz the AMD is faster or that the AMD is faster when both machines have 64MB of RAM or some other meaningless benchmark.
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Originally Posted by Soul Assassin
Cause were not super cooling our chips like he does and becouse we could buy a $150 3000+ venice overclock it to 2.8ghz and get competitive results to a supercooled p4 with just air cooling.
I dont even know how to respond to this? Get an xbox... Pentium 3's? am not even gonna bother. Even tbird want make sensational claims like this.Quote:
So if dual core AMDs are good, more power to them. In the meantime, anyone who tries to talk shite about Intel can eat it. At least they don't run like Pentium 3's. Good for gamers (people who should buy an xbox) and poor for everyone else.
You guys forgot to look at the next page of that review.
http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources...?id=17&page=15
All are +/- 5 minutes, which you won't notice. I'll gladly take 5 minutes less of battery life for ~5% better performance.
You obviously are missing a few playing cards in your deck, so I'll explain it to you :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul Assassin
You stated: "I'm guessing you must think that the Turion is better than the Dothan? Since they compete and as far as the rest of the world knows, the Dothan spanks it in both performance and power usage."
When the bencharks are run with both chips in the platform they were designed for (laptops, not both chips tested running in desktop platforms), Dothan gets it's azz spanked silly, making the first part of your statement untrue. I'd say that with the turion winning 17 benches and the dothan winning 11 that it's pretty much the exact opposite. :p
Now onto the power usage of your silly statement:
When running your laptop full out, the dothan beats the turion. At idle the turion beats the dothan.
Once again I'll repeat a quote here hoping that it finally makes it through whatever it is that you call your thick head ;)
"First, the power ratings between Dothan and Turion cannot be directly compared. A lot of people see Dothan's 27W TDP & Turion ML's 35W TDP and assume that Dothan is automatically lower power. Intel computes thermal design power as 75% of the maximum load on the chip, while AMD's TDP rating is derived from the absolute worst case power dissipation of the chip. Part of the total system power is also incorporated into AMD's TDP, as the memory controller is located on-chip. Intel's memory controller is built into the chipset and thus draws power not calculated as part of Dothan's TDP."
Add to that this quote:
"In an ironic twist of fate, the Turion CPU defeats Dothan at its own game. Since the "life" benchmark tests battery life at a mostly idle CPU state, maximum power consumption does not matter. With a 10.5% lead in the life test, the Turion CPU and AMD’s PowerNow! Technology provide a more efficient platform when you consider real world usage."
Which makes both parts of your statement not only untrue, but downright ludicrous.
Come back when you're armed for a discussion. It's no fun discussing with someone that does not come armed with knowledge, wits or a bit of common sense! :p ;)
I'd take 5% more battery life for 5% less performance. In fact, I'd take it 10 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by yngwie98
How are you dismissing another review because it uses a different testbed? Laptops are PCs, you know, they aren't magical devices from the planet Gaia. They use the same equipment, only smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almost Famous
Not only that, but unlike laptoplogic.com which uses completely different testbeds, GamePC uses nearly identical setups so that the performance differences can be totally attributed to the CPU and not to different types of memory, different brands of batteries, etc.
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...urion64&page=5
http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources...p?id=17&page=6
Thanks, but I'll take the GamePC performance numbers any day.
Again, if you're a person whose laptop sits idle most of them, buy a PDA since you obviously don't need a laptop do any serious work. If you're gaming, the laptop isn't idle. If you're watching DVDs the laptop isn't idle. If you're watchnig DivX movies, the laptop isn't idle. If you're surfing the net using a wifi connection the laptop is using a bunch of power. If you're doing anything beside playing solitaire the laptop isn't idle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almost Famous
So no, I wouldn't consider an idle laptop to be "real world usage". The only people who would, in fact, are people who have an overwhelming desire to see AMD win some imaginary game.
I have a hard time taking any review seriously when it doesn't even use fresh installs of Windows to do testing. The fact that they ran two battery checks and they were so completely different makes me feel that these reviewers don't know how to benchmark properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by yngwie98
It's well known that the Pentium M owns the Turion. Why are you guys even fighting over some stupid, clearly flawed, review?
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Originally Posted by Soul Assassin
Well ignorance knows no bounds does it LOL
You run a test of a laptop chip in a desktop platform and say that's the sh!t roflol
Who said ignorance was bliss???
Like I said, come armed for a discussion next time ;) :p