Steve was famous for saying "people don't know what they want, until you tell them."Quote:
Originally Posted by Timman_24
Producing easy to use, beautiful products doesn't hurt either.
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Steve was famous for saying "people don't know what they want, until you tell them."Quote:
Originally Posted by Timman_24
Producing easy to use, beautiful products doesn't hurt either.
I remember people pushing back against the notion that iPads would replace laptops and there were some that thought it was totally bogus as well, but I think those were the minority. I believe what we have seen is that most people don't need the full functionality of a laptop, or proper computer in general. Most people just need to surf the web, check email, and have a modest level of entertainment through mini-games. Tablets provide this without the overhead of a large chassis, keyboard, price, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
I've found that the iPad has made the netbook irrelevant, but has not yet replaced the laptop. In the next 2-3 years, I could definitely see iPads/Tablets taking on the full functionality of laptops (with the thin keyboard cases.)
I think the major advancement is going to be the melding of iOS with OSX, which will eventually happen. Much like what MS is doing with Win 8. Apps will be cross platform and such. The second major advancement will be the increasing power of ARM processors. We are getting close to having a PC experience on them for basic tasks such as surfing the web, but they need to be a bit more powerful to feel like a proper replacement. The final advancement is what Apple is doing with Siri, offloading processing power to server farms. Tablets will soon be powerful enough for any internet experience, but encoding/content creation will be too hard for years to come. Being able to offload intensive tasks could be the way to get around that.
What people have come to find out is that most people don't need the functionality of a laptop. In which case, the iPad/tablet is a perfect fit.
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Originally Posted by Timman_24
Agreed. Tablets still have a long way to go. I bought my Android tablet primarily for school. My gf loves it but she cant play her facebook games on it....i have a book for one of my classes on it which is awesome but my linux class uses testout which requires silverlight which neither android or iOS support so thats a no go. I bought a bluetooth keyboard for it which made a big difference for when im using it on forums and such but they all need to have available keyboard docks (like the ipad and transformer). They also need a print option for wireless printers built in natively. I had to download an hp app just to print on my wireless printer which kinda frustrates me. But for everything else its great. I can even watch netflix laying in bed with my lady with it. The kids love playing games on it and the battery life is awesome. But definetly still needs lots of work to smooth out the rough spots.
iPad has AirPlay for printing. Printer has to support it or you can share the printer with bonjour from your pc or Mac. Like I have said before though I will not be in market for a new iPad in the foreseeable future. Next years update may be a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Meat
That is just awesome. Your linux class uses MS tech. That made my day. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Meat
Before the first iPad came out, I was predicting that it would have no 3G, because they would actually want you to tether it to your iPhone (i.e. wifi-only unless you also own an iPhone).Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
I agree that typing on a tablet (I only have a kindle fire) isn't so fun, but I still feel like once you get down to using a tablet with a keyboard, you might as well just pull out the laptop/netbook. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Meat
To be fair, I'm considering buying one of these:
http://clamcase.com/bluetooth-ipad-keyboard-case.html
And getting rid of my laptop. I don't really do tech support anymore and when I do there are remote desktop apps for the iPad. With 2048 resolution it's almost double my current laptop and I can't think of a whole lot of reasons why I need a Windows laptop anymore.
Yes, there are a myriad of limitations but I'm not sure that what I'll need it for -- school work -- will suffer. Really the breaking point will come if MS releases Office for iPad, because then I'll have everything I need. With Office and a hard keyboard I would consider the iPad a full fledged laptop killer.
im honestly waiting to see how the windows8 tablets will be..
the screen on the ipad3 is pure sex but i always felt that iOS was lacking as a tablet OS.. rows of icons looks better on a small phone screen and i feel the larger tablet screen should have better notifications and widget support like android. windows8 seems to be the real innovation pusher in the tablet territory.. so with good hardware to match, i think it can do well
w8 preview: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...nsumer-preview
anandtech analysis: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5630/i...nsumer-preview
to me, the live tiles (w8) are much more intuitive and useful than static icons (iOS):
http://www.sharkyforums.com/images/i.../2012/03/9.jpg
Yeah the icon spacing on the ipad looks stupid compared to the iphone. iOS app support is the real killer though. I don't think a Windows tablet will be worth buying for at least 3 years after release, to let the app support catch up.
If VNC is usable on the new iPad I don't really care. I can just use desktop apps.
It will be interesting to see if it's possible to really run an VNC desktop at 1600x1200, and if that's actually usable on such a small screen…and if the iPad doesn't overheat and explode. Even 1440x1080 would be enough resolution for me.
I still don't quite believe 2048x1536 is possible. One of those see it to believe it things. The last time I saw that resolution was on my old 22" ViewSonic P225f. I thought things looked small on a 22". What the hell is a desktop app going to look like on a 10" screen?
haha, yes and no. The cool thing about tablets w/bluetooth keyboard or a docking station is that its like a notebook or laptop but you can take away the keyboard in .5 seconds and just use the tablet as intended for whatever litte things your doing. its much much more versatile. And I doubt anyone gets 15 hours of battery life on their laptop. My tablet can go for 2 days if I use it semi lightly. It can be a e-reader for hours and hours. It almost no heat and 0 sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by linoleum
Its just about weighing the pros and cons.
@James
Yeah I know right. Testout is used for more than just linux though. Its used for a bunch of different courses but we happen to be using it for Linux. Still sucks I cant use it on my tablet.
There was supposed to be some plugin coming to android and iOS platforms called moonlight or something but I dont know what happened to it.
it sounds like the asus padphone is up your alley... the problem with things like this are if the connections are proprietary and require you to upgrade the entire package at once.. and theres that whole argument about the dedicated tools being better than a swiss army knifeQuote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Meat
http://www.buy-tablet-pc.info/wp-con...ne-300x300.jpg
yeah, just look at the HP Touchpad... Palm OS was arguably a superior tablet OS at the time (compared to iOS and android)... and lack of apps pretty much killed it before it came out. microsoft does have the advantage of being a software giant and also seeing/learning from Palm and RIM's mistakes... they will have to do better than apple's current 30/70% apple/dev profit sharing. they also have to walk that thin line between apple's walled garden market and android anarchy store.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
i had 1920x1200 on my 7+ year old Dell laptop (15") and it was amazing, im so sad that modern laptop displays actually regressed from that. and to be fair your old viewsonic was probably displaying windows98/2000 which had horrible dpi and scaling support. windows7 and OSX Lion both have great resolution agnostic support. you can have the same screen real estate as before but only sharper text and graphics.
One of the big things missing from Windows 8 is a lack of good reference apps.
Apple did a good job creating both apps and documentation that really supported how you might use the UI. Microsoft doesn't really have anything like this that I know of. The HIG that Apple puts out limit creativity in a sense, but also give people some kind of roadmap for user experience. One of the biggest problems with Windows is that most applications are created completely by engineers, and they don't always the best UI decisions.
Android is an even worse offender. All the apps are made by Java engineers, and the consistency between apps is basically zero.
I'm not so sure MS is going to walk a line between them. I think they will be going fully apple, with the walled garden. The reason I say this is because Windows 8's UAC does not apply to apps, which suggests MS will be strictly controlling the app marketplace.Quote:
Originally Posted by kpxgq
On the fence with IPad3 with Win8 around the corner. I like that Windows is moving to one software platform for everything which is something I think Apple should have done a while ago.
My biggest issue with iOS, is that it's a fantastic entertainment device but its lack of office prevents it from being a real laptop replacement. An ipad office app is in the works, but my guess is it'll be severely limited to make it a work alternative.
IMO, MS will likely gimp the iPad version as to not take work-based market share away from the potential sales of Win 8 based tablets. This is a different case than with Mac vs PC. Supplying Office to Mac users doesn't really cut into the PC market. However, tablet productivity will be a key factor in determining the acceptance of tablets in the business sector.Quote:
Originally Posted by taggart6
When people say "office apps" what they really mean is Excel, Visio and Sharepoint—but mostly Excel. Reality is, working on a spreadsheet at 1024x768 is like working with Excel 95 with a 15" monitor. Even on tablets with 720p-ish resolutions is still kind of hard with all the UI elements and the onscreen keyboard.
I'll reserve judgement until I see how Google Docs works at 2048x1536 with a BT keyboard.
I agree. More and more people are looking to tablets as possible laptop replacements. IMHO, if the ipad could handle a full featured version of Office, you would see a large decline in laptop sales (especially netbook) over the next few years. Even more so if devices like the Asus Transformer Prime become popular and users have the option of a fully integrated OEM supplied keyboard/extended battery pack option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timman_24
I disagree. Office apps will vary greatly with the office in question. My key "office apps" are excel, Power Point, Project, Word, Visio, Outlook, and Access.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
My wife's key "office apps" are Word, Powerpoint, and Excel.
The only app I see being a potential issue is Excel, but for long excel session I would use a monitor with a larger screen size. It should be fine with tablet for some general stuff as long as the dynamic zooming is well implemented.
Wow. That's rough. I'm looking for that GIF where the guy takes a hammer to his computer, then lights it on fire, then shoots himself in the head—but I can't find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by taggart6
I'm an engineer and my company is very strongly tied with MS. Our intranet is really just MS Sharepoint with our logo placed on top. In fact, I might as well add Infopath to my list of apps if you want to be comprehensive. i don't really think highly of our IT group.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
My wife is a business consultant. All she needs is Excel for "data", Word to type up reports, and Powerpoint to make pretty slides to help promote synergy, strategy, and *INSERT BUZZ WORD HERE*. Her company's IT is locked down hard and they can't use non-MS apps. I think they prohibit their work laptops from working with USB drives.
I figure start-ups have a lot more flexibility.
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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
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It won't make much of a difference I think. The retina display makes stuff look a lot nicer, but it doesn't increase the actual size of the screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
That even more aptly describes how I feel about today's Microsoft Office.Quote:
Originally Posted by taggart6
The amount of time WASTED with Microsoft Office today is staggering. Technical problems, formatting, version conflicts, "How do I use obscure feature 'x'?"
http://www.sharkyforums.com/
I like my emails in plain text, my documents in rich text, my slides in PDF and my spreadsheets in CSV.
I have templates all set up for everything I need so its not a issue but I get where you're coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
In the defense of MS Office (wait did I honestly just type that?)I do like Excel and it's a pretty easy tool to use for integrating large amounts of multi-format 3rd party generated data into a single cohesive reporting package. It's no perfect but I've rarely had any rage face issues.
How they handle protection is is still a pain in the *** IMHO.