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Ooooh I know what you mean now. Ack! I can't stand seeing those new-line blocks! Heheh, too each his own I guess https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/4.gifQuote:
Originally posted by drdray:
It's not that. The end of line char that is placed when you hit enter key shows up as a black block. So, instead of guessing which character it is, I use wordpad.
[This message has been edited by drdray (edited April 17, 2001).]
I use,....
FLASH 5 & Javascripting (HTML) simple.
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Originally posted by Mandorallen of Molynnr:
How many of you use notepad?
Frontpage 2001?
Flash/Dreamweaver?
Any other programs?
I'm just curious. My HTML skills leave something to be desired, so was just wondering what everyone else used.
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For those who used pico , emacs or notepad you didnt read the topic carefully. It is web design not writing a page with HTML tags.Quote:
Originally posted by Skeelo:
I use Pico.
It is impossible to design with these editors, or it is very ineffective.
I use FP2000.
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Originally posted by namgor:
For those who used pico , emacs or notepad you didnt read the topic carefully. It is web design not writing a page with HTML tags.
It is impossible to design with these editors, or it is very ineffective.
I use FP2000.
Uh, just because I don't use a WYSIWYG editor means I don't do web design? You are so very wrong. Coding by hand IS web design...just a different method.
hehe... coding is designing code pattern but not web layout design https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gifQuote:
Originally posted by Skeelo:
Uh, just because I don't use a WYSIWYG editor means I don't do web design? You are so very wrong. Coding by hand IS web design...just a different method.
Or if you want to prove me wrong, send me a site you have designed. I want to see what kind of layout you have designed https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif
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Well, all the actual *designing,* that's done in my head. But I use Photoshop (and occasionally Flash) to realize it. To code the pages, I just use Notepad.
Some examples:
www.nweb-design.com - my personal site
www.patricia-taylor.com - the one site of mine that everyone seems to really like
www.metavista.com - the last site I did (it's been almost a year now http://dev.www.sharkyforums.forums.relay.cool/)
www.vogel-usa.com - site for the company my mom works for
www.beautyq.com - looked really good until they put the content in and mucked everything up
I'd consider myself a fairly decent designer. I'm just horrible at marketing/sales.
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[This message has been edited by nkeezer (edited April 18, 2001).]
Man what are you talking about?!! Do you even realize what you are saying? If you use an editor to do your design/layout, it is just doing the code for you! When you create a website with notepad/pico/whatever, you preview it in your browser, and if it doesn't look good, you re-design it by adjusting the code. I hang out in #webdesign and #html a lot on Efnet and they couldn't stop laughing when they saw your message.Quote:
Originally posted by namgor:
hehe... coding is designing code pattern but not web layout design https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif
Or if you want to prove me wrong, send me a site you have designed. I want to see what kind of layout you have designed https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif
For your info, I site I made with strict HTML is www.madmemory.com. Not mine anymore but it's pretty much the way I left it.
I never say it is impossible, but it is inefficient, when your page have 10 nested table, you will see what I mean!
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I've been using Dreamweaver 4 for a while now. https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif
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I use Dreaweaver & Fireworks 4 combo for nearly all my webdesign now, but also Photoshop and various utilities. I only ever use the code view in Dreamweaver, and hit F12 to preview in the browser every now and then. It's important to have a good eye for design in webdevelopment. Coding is just the "behind the scenes" of the final product.
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Normally i'm a big fan of Notepad/Wordpad whatever. Lately I've been using Dreamweaver though. Anything but FrontPage.
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Dude... If you have ten nested tables in a page... then you must have your head waaaay up your ***.Quote:
Originally posted by namgor:
I never say it is impossible, but it is inefficient, when your page have 10 nested table, you will see what I mean!
I use Cold Fusion Studio and code everything by hand, and do the layout in photoshop. Its borderline impossible to create a database driven site with a program like Frontpage since it puts so much damn garbage in your code. I have been doing HTML full time since 1994 and believe me, the best way by far is by hand. I have never met a professional designer that does it a different way cept' maybe with dreamweaver.
The only tool i use for web designing , and i have tried everything-believe me,is the old good NOTEPAD.
Coding: 1st Page 2000, Arachnophilia or sometimes Notepad
Graphics: Corel Draw/Photopaint or Adobe Photoshop (I still haven't figured out how to use it properly yet)
And when I'm feeling lazy: MS Frontpage 98 (but not often at all).
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I used to use ::shudder:: Netscape composer. Then I realised how mucked up my code was, and how little control i really had over it. So I learnt HTML and now I use Notepad. ahhh. Sometimes I use Firstpage 2000, but that's mainly just if I have trouble with tables or something like that. Besides, I like how little memory notepad takes up, and how fast it is to start.
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Originally posted by Begby:
Dude... If you have ten nested tables in a page... then you must have your head waaaay up your ***.
Notice the IE and Netscape handle table border differently, if you want to gurantee the line is signle black line, you have to use nested table, or graphics.
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[This message has been edited by namgor (edited April 24, 2001).]
I use Notepad+, which is just a version of Notepad with all the standard keyboard shortcuts that, for some unknown reason, was left out of standard Notepad (CTRL+A - select all, CTRL+S - save, etc etc).
To anyone who claims notepad to be inefficient, you should watch how fast I can highlight, copy, paste, replace, etc with the keyboard...<boast>it's almost superhuman</boast>. If I had to point and click for all of that, my pages would take much longer...not to mention my shoulder would fall off. One way or another isn't necessarily right, but for me there's no question.
I've been trying to learn dreamweaver cause my wife swears by it, and it's a lot better than any other html editors I've seen, but I'll always be most comfortable in Notepad+, even for nested tables running 10 levels deep.
I use Photoshop and Illustrator for images, and my wife's going to teach me Flash someday, but that's about it for my arsenal of tools.
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Yeah, I know you need to use nested tables, but there is no reason you should have to use them ten deep. There is always a better solution than going that deep.Quote:
Originally posted by namgor:
Notice the IE and Netscape handle table border differently, if you want to gurantee the line is signle black line, you have to use nested table, or graphics.
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Originally posted by Mandorallen of Molynnr:
How many of you use notepad?
Frontpage 2001?
Flash/Dreamweaver?
Any other programs?
I use dreamweaver, fireworks, and flash mainly. But there are other options out there
I'm just curious. My HTML skills leave something to be desired, so was just wondering what everyone else used.
I use ColdFusion Studio 4.5 for both HTML coding and web application developement, from the fine people at Allaire (or I guess I should say Macromedia now). For graphics, I use Microsoft Photodraw (yes, I'm a graphics newbie, photoshop is a little over my head right now! https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif
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Notepad or some other text editor like ultraedit (which has that nifty "preview" button). also, i've used webedit pro which is essentially notepad + a bunch of help and wizards for tables and frames and such if you get lazy.
this was all done with notepad/ultraedit / photoshop: www.controlgenie.com (shameless plug)
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Notepad at the moment, till I finally get round to rebuilding my system.
I normally use Interdev which I got as part of Visual Studio 6.
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