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10-06-2010, 09:35 PM
taggart6

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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

My honest guess is that someone is already probably doing this. It seems too big of an opportunity to pass up. Sure, Valve probably isn't interested in building hardware themselves... but getting Steam onto the TV is, IMO, obviously a goal for them. That's what Steam Play is all about: other platforms.

I would love to see that, however I don't think we'll see anything like any time soon.

Hopefully what ever does arrive is better then this:
http://www.freewebs.com/videogamingw...le_mock_up.gif
10-06-2010, 10:59 PM
Timman_24

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Originally Posted by taggart6

Yeah we have those. They are called consoles.

your basically advocating Valve becoming a console dev. I agree that would be awesome. I just don't see it happening any time soon.

Why are you being so closed and blunt about this? Its about releasing all of Valve's steam games into the console market and valve getting a piece of the major gaming industry. PC gaming is such a small slice and they are missing out on the vast majority of gamers. They can't really partner with MS or Sony, for reasons we've said before.

Plus it totally changes the console market. Steam sales are something only the PC guys have, make that available to the console people and it will upset everything.
10-06-2010, 11:38 PM
taggart6

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

Why are you being so closed and blunt about this? Its about releasing all of Valve's steam games into the console market and valve getting a piece of the major gaming industry. PC gaming is such a small slice and they are missing out on the vast majority of gamers. They can't really partner with MS or Sony, for reasons we've said before.

Plus it totally changes the console market. Steam sales are something only the PC guys have, make that available to the console people and it will upset everything.

Look your getting a bit too riled about this and need to check the posts and focus..about 4-5 different things are being argued now. Valve games on more systems, a system dedicated to valve games, Steam being licensed to more platforms, and etc. Its getting random so I'll shoot this and call it a day.

From what's been posted, it sounds like a Valve console is being argued. Dedicated boxes, specialized hardware...thats basically a console. Honestly though, thats not really good or bad and I have no idea why your being defensive or calling me blunt. Heck, I've even agreed that such an idea would be awesome.

However, I don't see it happening nor do I see Valve putting the effort into it. No need to get defensive, Its just my thought. In fact,IMHO it sounds like Valve is taking the opposite route, and partnering with Sony to introduce Steam Cloud on PSN sounds like the first step. Rather then compete with them directly, it kinds looks like they are looking to integrate with everything out there. This really is a first, and I think a large part has to do with Valve's reputation and in-demand game library. But hey, it still in the early phase so it remains to be seen what happens and how much Steam clouds evolve beyond basic user data, updates, and etc.

Personally, that sounds pretty kickass to me. Long term, I figure Valve is looking to connect all Valve gamers regardless of what console/system/hardware they game on. That might never happen either, but hey I'm just throwing it out their.

It would be cool to have a Valve console, but I think it would even cooler to be able to play with other Valve gamers on any console. Forget the hardware and just become flexible an desirable to be place on ANYTHING!. Imagine playing L4D2 on your PC against 360 and PS3 gamers. Imagine playing Half Life 3 on your PC, then going to your buddies house later and being able to continue your game on his PS3 copy. Imagine buying whatever system and being able to play your Valve gaming library. I think thats cool and I would love to see it.
10-07-2010, 12:29 AM
Timman_24

I didn't mean to be defensive, I'm sorry about that. Here is what I was focusing on with my post:

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Originally Posted by taggart6

Yeah we have those. They are called consoles.

It sounded like you were just glossing over all the stuff we were talking about over by just calling it another console without taking into account all the other factors we had pointed out such as opening the PC market to more gamers by lowering the barrier to entry both in cost and in knowledge required, pushing a great number of games that console guys never get to see, opening the enormous back catalog of PC games to console gamers, among other things.

But yeah, it seems we agree. I would love for it to happen, but I too don't see it happening for a long time.

Valve wouldn't be a "console" dev as the box would run on a windows based system with a Valve GUI. It wouldn't run games in a special, proprietry environment like the 360, Wii, and PS3. It would use all windows drivers, code, what-not. The only way to get onto the system though is to download a game through steam, which is how they would make their money.

So, it would be much different business wise than a console. No special development needed for the box, anything a PC runs, it runs.
10-07-2010, 02:51 AM
Astros Fan

Snakespy just grabbed l4d2...let's get a group going tomorrow night on the new DLC.
10-07-2010, 03:00 AM
Snakespy

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Originally Posted by Astros Fan

Snakespy just grabbed l4d2...let's get a group going tomorrow night on the new DLC.

agreed! I should be on all day if you cant find me look on xbox live
10-07-2010, 09:00 AM
Astros Fan

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Originally Posted by Snakespy

agreed! I should be on all day if you cant find me look on xbox live

I won't be on until tonight because of work. Anyone else? We used skype last night in MoH and it worked great, anyone else using it?
10-07-2010, 10:32 AM
taggart6

I'm down for some L4D2 this weekend. Doing an apartment finding trip at the moment.
10-08-2010, 10:42 AM
ImaNihilist

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Originally Posted by taggart6

I'm down for some L4D2 this weekend. Doing an apartment finding trip at the moment.

Sunday Zombie Apocalypse
10-08-2010, 03:20 PM
Geforce255

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Originally Posted by taggart6

Yeah we have those. They are called consoles.

your basically advocating Valve becoming a console dev. I agree that would be awesome. I just don't see it happening any time soon.

Valve doesn't develop most of their wares, they are just an awesome distribution model.

90% of the games on Steam will play on a GeForce Ti4200, so a couple hundred is all you need for a "gaming machine."

Steam needs to support Android next. There will be $200 Android tablets out in the next 6 months, that is a killer market for Valve.
10-08-2010, 03:27 PM
Geforce255

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

Why are you being so closed and blunt about this? Its about releasing all of Valve's steam games into the console market and valve getting a piece of the major gaming industry.

That will never happen. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are not going to give up their markets to Valve. Xbox Live want to BE Steam, that ain't gunna happen either...
10-08-2010, 05:18 PM
Timman_24

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Originally Posted by Geforce255

That will never happen. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are not going to give up their markets to Valve. Xbox Live want to BE Steam, that ain't gunna happen either...

The same could have been said when MS joined the fray.
10-08-2010, 07:06 PM
taggart6

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

The same could have been said when MS joined the fray.

Thats a great point, though I think we've seen current console shift from game playing stations to multi-media centers and the multi media area are both sectors MS and Sony want in. Valve, however, I think is a game developer through and through and will continue to function so..at least in the near future.

I think the whole point of Steam, is simply to enhance the over all gaming experience by making multi-player, game purchasing, and game storage easier faster and centralized. I'd even say cheaper with the insane Steam sales.
10-08-2010, 07:12 PM
taggart6

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Originally Posted by Geforce255

Valve doesn't develop most of their wares, they are just an awesome distribution model.

90% of the games on Steam will play on a GeForce Ti4200, so a couple hundred is all you need for a "gaming machine."

There are multiple ways you can look at that, but I think 2 of the primary formats would be: A Valve console that only plays Valve games or a Valve console that plays all games purchasable under Steam.

However, regardless of the option chosen, you would have to ensure that the hardware could support past, present and games looking to be released in the 2 to 5 year range too seriously compete against other consoles. As we've seen with current consoles, backwards compatibility can be an issue to manage with hardware and the average console life is roughly 5 to 8 years.

I absolutely agree that Steam Mobile App should be put on Android. Basically a front end that lets you purchase mobile games that are managed by steam and use the Steam services for data management, multiplayer, and game library management. However, I'm not sure if Android allows apps to be purchased from 3rd party apps. If not, then Valve would have to partner with them much like they did with Sony.
10-08-2010, 09:10 PM
Timman_24

The problem is that Valve has no where to expand except to consoles. They could do mobile stuff, but I don't think that is really where they want to be.

Some could say to my last point that MS has a huge amount of money, which is why they broke into a crowded market and muscled out a slice of the pie. However, they went about it in totally the traditional way. Make proprietary console hardware, make development environment, ramp up exclusive support, buy into developers, run enormous ad campaigns, etc etc. Valve doesn't need to do any of that except advertising. They would use an existing platform, running existing code and underlying programing, and they don't need "exclusive" content. They could also sell their "console" at cost, which is something MS struggled to do. Since Valve would use off the shelf parts, it would be immensely cheaper.

Valve needs to penetrate the console market to grow appreciably and they can't do it through MS or Sony.
10-08-2010, 11:11 PM
ImaNihilist

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

The problem is that Valve has no where to expand except to consoles. They could do mobile stuff, but I don't think that is really where they want to be.

They are going to get into mobile, no doubt about it. Not a matter of if, just when. there is no way in hell they spent millions to port the Orange Box engine and all the Orange Box games to OpenGL under Mac OS X for the few extra Mac users like me. Yeah, I appreciate it. Reality is, there aren't that many off us. Maintaining two version (DirectX and OpenGL) of all their major games comes at huge cost. This is a mobile play. Maybe not today. Maybe not in 2011. But in 2012 and onward, yeah... you will see Steam games running on the iPad. Bookmark this post and talk to me again before December 31st, 2012. If I'm wrong I'll give you $100.
10-08-2010, 11:45 PM
Timman_24

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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

They are going to get into mobile, no doubt about it. Not a matter of if, just when. there is no way in hell they spent millions to port the Orange Box engine and all the Orange Box games to OpenGL under Mac OS X for the few extra Mac users like me. Yeah, I appreciate it. Reality is, there aren't that many off us. Maintaining two version (DirectX and OpenGL) of all their major games comes at huge cost. This is a mobile play. Maybe not today. Maybe not in 2011. But in 2012 and onward, yeah... you will see Steam games running on the iPad. Bookmark this post and talk to me again before December 31st, 2012. If I'm wrong I'll give you $100.

But the world ends then, so that's a easy bet.
10-09-2010, 01:59 AM
taggart6

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

Valve needs to penetrate the console market to grow appreciably and they can't do it through MS or Sony.

Portal 2 is being released on PS3 with some Steam Services. I wouldn't count a partnership out yet.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3...ortal-2/101577
10-09-2010, 03:21 AM
Timman_24

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Originally Posted by taggart6

Portal 2 is being released on PS3 with some Steam Services. I wouldn't count a partnership out yet.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3...ortal-2/101577

That's a valve game, not the entire steam distribution network. Although, Sony is the most likely to adopt steam.
10-09-2010, 04:49 AM
Snakespy

HEY I have a great idea for this topic. Make its own thread please. I really enjoy the steam sales thread lets keep it at that. Please. (That's why I revived the LFD2 thread instead of jacking this one).
10-09-2010, 07:44 AM
Kamakazie

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

That's a valve game, not the entire steam distribution network. Although, Sony is the most likely to adopt steam.

Portal 2 on PS3 is actually going to have Steam Cloud support, so it's a little more than just the game. That's what made Gabe's announcement there significant.
10-09-2010, 12:06 PM
taggart6

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

That's a valve game, not the entire steam distribution network. Although, Sony is the most likely to adopt steam.

Check the link, its not just the game but also Steam Cloud. It shows Valve software is being moved to consoles and that even part of the Steam system is making its way as well.

I'm just saying you can't really say:

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Originally Posted by Timman

Valve needs to penetrate the console market to grow appreciably and they can't do it through MS or Sony.

When Valve is in fact releasing a game and part of the steam system on a console. It may not go anywhere, but judging from the positive response, I think its going to be a very successful partnership and might lead to more Steam services on PS3. The fact that head of Valve presented the news shows me that Valve is very serious about getting their software on the PS3.
10-09-2010, 12:40 PM
Timman_24

I know, I saw the E3 announcement live. Steam cloud is a farcry from steam distribution.
10-09-2010, 02:07 PM
taggart6

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

I know, I saw the E3 announcement live. Steam cloud is a farcry from steam distribution.

But it shows that Valve is making steps to bring some Steam functionality and Valve games to consoles. That's significantly different from nothing at all.
10-14-2010, 10:46 PM
Farmer_BOB

Just bought that Monkey Island complete pack. I hope it's good. I also hope it's not as bad as Monkey Island 4. That game was a mess. Good deal still at 4.99 though. Here's the link...

http://store.steampowered.com/app/31170/

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