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Originally Posted by vairox

harbinger - you could argue either way

Moss - faster, much better hands, out jumps ANYONE period.

T.O - runs better routes, much more physical off the jam - hard to jam this guy, he will throw you down flat out. Much more competetive at his core...he is a baller, drops or not he fights it out every play no matter WHO gets the ball... he is either blocking, selling the fake as a genuine decoy....not a half speed jogging I know I'm not getting the ball kinda decoy, or working his way back to the QB if it breaks down.... he is a much better all around receiver.

if I wanted to win a game, period end of story I would take moss....you just throw it up.

If I wanted a competitor and a guy I know I could count on when the ball was snapped, play after play no matter what is going on I take T.O....and thats why I said T.O was better.

the guy broke his ankle and came back in like half the time or whatever and almost won the superbowl, you think you would see moss trying to rehab that fast and bust *** to do something like that? ya right. Don't get me wrong, I still believe T.O is a cancer, he is in remission right now but at any moment he could flare back up... he can single handedly bring down a franchise and he is a punk, but when it comes to taking care of business on the field he is there, if he just hangs onto the ball lol.

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I think that my analysis of TO would also include that he is strong as a bull... he breaks many tackles.

And for Moss... that he is freakish fast. Not just fat... but freakish fast.

And yea... totally agree... TO is an uber competitor. His heart ON the field is without question. And the flipside is Moss... who does take many plays off when he wants to.

It's unfortunate that getting top tier talent means taking on unparalleled lazyness and staggering amounts of ego trip.

Eff them both, I'm more of a Marvin Harrison type guy myself. Just stfu and do your job to the best of your ability, please. I do like Ocho, though.

I think I'm going to regret picking my team over the Eagles.:(

That big O-line could make Philly a bad matchup for us.

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Originally Posted by r'aggro

It's unfortunate that getting top tier talent means taking on unparalleled lazyness and staggering amounts of ego trip.

Eff them both, I'm more of a Marvin Harrison type guy myself. Just stfu and do your job to the best of your ability, please. I do like Ocho, though.

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I totally agree on Harrison.

A player that doesn't take a down off, and is a leader in the lockeroom... on top of massive production.

But to me, the top tier talent having the worst attitudes doesn't hold true in every position.

WR... for whatever reason... seem to be the worst. Heard a stat onetime... and have no idea whether it's true or not... that the IQ drops as you start moving away from Center (or the football... however you want to say it)? Could that be part of the reason?

There have been RBs with attitude. Some QBs with attitude. But by far and large... it seems to be the WRs with the worst attitude.

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Originally Posted by steppy76

Now that I bothered to look, the "Boston, MA" beneath your name explains so much about your posting. Your last sentence makes about as much sense as if we pointed to Tom Brady's first 3 quarters vs Indy and saying he sucks this year. I can't wait till the Pats have an inevitable crash and burn(not this year). I like the team, just hate the fans....funny how a Pats fan has the balls to use the term bandwagon in a sentence. 90% of their fanbase is bandwagoners.

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Not a patriots fan per se, I root for them because I had no football affiliations before I came here and I love watching a well-coached team that executes well. If that makes me a bandwagon fan, so be it. Stereotyping a city full of people and hating a fan base is childish and immature. That's like me saying I hate everyone in wisconsin because they are fat and obsessed with cheese. Please, grow up.

I know the sample size for the game was small and that's why it does not definitively prove anything. It helps support my argument and that's what I was pointing out. I believe further evidence will come through the rest of the season.

Harrison is without question the best all around WR in the league IMO in terms of both talent and attitude... he has slipped the last couple years, but man his routes are crazy precise.

harrison's work ethic, attitude and approach to the game are equal to moss' physical talents on the field...too bad moss couldn't take a page from his book.

And there was a day in time where Harrison's physical abilities weren't anything to sneeze at as well...

But I think that you are right... he has slipped.

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

Not a patriots fan per se, I root for them because I had no football affiliations before I came here and I love watching a well-coached team that executes well. If that makes me a bandwagon fan, so be it. Stereotyping a city full of people and hating a fan base is childish and immature. That's like me saying I hate everyone in wisconsin because they are fat and obsessed with cheese. Please, grow up.

I know the sample size for the game was small and that's why it does not definitively prove anything. It helps support my argument and that's what I was pointing out. I believe further evidence will come through the rest of the season.

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1. Will you still watch the Pats when they are losing? If not, then you are a bandwagon fan.
2. I did not stereotype a city, merely fans of the Pats(of which bandwagoners come from all over).
3. The sample size was small, and it doesn't even mildly prove anything. A bad stretch of football happens to everyone. Heck, you may as well be like see I told you so whenever there is an incomplete pass.

VT AND Missouri lose this weekend?!?

Geez Louise this is a weird year!

Now a few two loss teams will get National Championship considerations. Who will it be?

Wish that college would get a playoff system finally...

pats have some of the boldest bandwagon fans of all time... straight up, they make yankee bandwagonners look like noobs at the bandwagoning game! "life long fan", that's funny you look 30 years old to me....unless you have some weird aging disease, cause you look a lot older than 4.

I agree on T.O's physical abilities...if you try to jam him he will break your arm, the guy has the strength of a TE with WR speed, hell he blocks like a TE too!

let see if today is the day Jamarcus gets the nod, hype v.s reality....let's see if the 70 yard bomb between the legs standing upside down on one arm mean anything in the NFL.


honestly with the BCS situation, they should just take all the teams eligible for NC consideration and throw them into a hat and pull 2 names.

I think I'm going to give up on picking Detroit every week.

Eagles fans, I'm sorry but Reid's playcalling is even worse than Holmgren's. Why Westbrook didn't get handed the ball every down is beyond me.

Seattle's no better, though. They had about 5 chances to put Philly away while on O, and instead decided to let Lofa bail them out with the clock winding down. :mad: Heart attack city. Hawks should have won by about 21. Neither team deserved to win.

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Originally Posted by steppy76

1. Will you still watch the Pats when they are losing? If not, then you are a bandwagon fan.
2. I did not stereotype a city, merely fans of the Pats(of which bandwagoners come from all over).
3. The sample size was small, and it doesn't even mildly prove anything. A bad stretch of football happens to everyone. Heck, you may as well be like see I told you so whenever there is an incomplete pass.

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1. Yes.
2. So you're only stereotyping a few hundred thousand people instead of a city? I fail to see how that's much better.
3. ...and that's why I've repeatedly said "I'm unconvinced" as opposed to "Favre is washed up" or anything along those lines. And I believe the fact that he tried to force throws he shouldn't have made in a big game, to me, indicates he might struggle in big games against good teams later in the year. Possibly indicative, not definitive or conclusive.

Man, you doubt Favre and people react like you just said their grandmother had a few STD's.

I'm done with eli.

The bears suck, they really did their best to lose, the giants had 5 turnovers. The only starter in the secondary at times was sam madison because of injuries. I wish Derrick Ward or Jacobs could stay healthy for more than a month, they both run really well when they are able to play. The D played pretty well, strahan is still a beast.

Jeff Feagles' did a great job keeping hester on lockdown, he's the best punter in the league. Hopefully he will come back next season.

the pats arent going to the superbowl, marrk it down.Its a pretty bold statement but true.

If the Pats do make it to the SB i aint gonna watch, unless the Pack is in it too. I hate watching the Pats and everytime they show Belichicks face I just wanna smash it in and light his *** hoodies on fire.

Maybe Ill go shopping or something in all the empty stores that day.