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11-12-2003, 01:23 AM
lonewolfroger

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Originally posted by yngwie98
WOO HOO!!! My life is now complete!! :cool: :) :D

Have we figured out if F@H prefers low latency/ higher FSB like SETI, or raw CPU speed??
Right now I'm running my 2500+ @ 2.21G (211x10.5), 1.75V; 2x256MB Buffalo Tech PC3700 11-3-3-2, 2.7V. Tried 2.32G (211x22), 1.775V but it wasn't stable. Can't go much higher unless I run at CAS 3, tried 215 11-3-3-2.5 and no luck even at 2.8V.
When I had my 2100+ I ran it at 2.3G (200x11.5), same RAM 6-2-2-2 @ 2.7V.

Welcome, fellow Crusader, now all you have to do is click on the OC crusaders link in my sig and put that link in your sig, and you are set. AS far as your other question, I looks like raw cpu power, more then anything else.
11-12-2003, 01:46 AM
Saffire

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Originally posted by Thermo
OK we need to get some stacks going around here. I guess some of you will need to know what a stack is. It’s a stack of PC’s, sometimes just the guts w/no case. The PC’s have no video and no KVM. Just a NIC and a network cable.

So here’s what you do, hit the Goodwill and such, ask around the neighborhood and find all the old PC’s you can lay your hands on. Put a free VNC on em and set them to auto boot. Trim the OS to the bone and pull every card and drive not needed for folding. Put the folding client on, plug em in and stackem up. String them to a hub with Cat 5 and set up a little network. ICS will work if it’s less than 10 (8 is more of a real world max). If you have more than 10, you will need something from a third party, there are lots of free network clients out there. Then turn them on and let them fold. When you need to drive them you just VNC in and do what needs to be done. Three old P II’s would give you 150 points a week, easy. 10 junk’rs would give you 500 points.

Ok, its late, I apologize if I'm missing the obvious -- What's a KVM? VNC? Do you need individual hard drives/power supplies for each one or is there some way to jury rig it?
11-12-2003, 01:59 AM
freedon

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Originally posted by Saffire
What's a KVM?

Keyboard -Video -Mouse switch
it's a little hardware thingie where you connected multiple computers to 1 monitor, 1 keyboard and 1 mouse. You can switch from one computer to another
11-12-2003, 02:11 AM
thebove

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Originally posted by sapasion
Master has spoken... now let us go and do so.

ok golem ;)
11-12-2003, 02:12 AM
Colossus

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Originally posted by Saffire
Ok, its late, I apologize if I'm missing the obvious -- What's a KVM? VNC? Do you need individual hard drives/power supplies for each one or is there some way to jury rig it?

Like the other poster said.. A KVM is a piece of hardware where you can connect 1 keyboard/mouse and monitor to numerous towers...

VNC is a remote desktop type application.. It is a free piece of software that allows you to connect to each machine via IP.. Like remote desktop :)
11-12-2003, 02:19 AM
sapasion

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Originally posted by freedonX
After reading all this and seeing that people do want to help, so what the hell. I want to help too.

I went to the FAQ sapasion made, download the client and beta (I'm using an amd chip). I added to both shortcuts -advmethods and
-forceasm and filled the 3 windows, just like sapasion put.

I let FAH4.00 access to the internet (using Zonelarm), now what?

ADD: my cpu usage is 96-100 %

freedonX lonewolf mentioned this already but if you re-read the FAQ it does state that beta4 need -forceSSE instead of -forceasm. -advmethods is still the same.
11-12-2003, 02:23 AM
mystifmagic

Should I be using this new beta? I am still running 3.25
11-12-2003, 02:23 AM
sapasion

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Originally posted by yngwie98
WOO HOO!!! My life is now complete!! :cool: :) :D
edit: How appropriate this was post# 1337!! :)

Have we figured out if F@H prefers low latency/ higher FSB like SETI, or raw CPU speed??
Right now I'm running my 2500+ @ 2.21G (211x10.5), 1.75V; 2x256MB Buffalo Tech PC3700 11-3-3-2, 2.7V. Tried 2.32G (211x22), 1.775V but it wasn't stable. Can't go much higher unless I run at CAS 3, tried 215 11-3-3-2.5 and no luck even at 2.8V.
When I had my 2100+ I ran it at 2.3G (200x11.5), same RAM 6-2-2-2 @ 2.7V.

loner is right again here. Folding@Home is all about the cpu. System memory almost does not matter. When Stanford sets these up their 500 celeron rig had only 96mb's. Anyone with 256 is probably got plenty and 512 certainly is more than enough to use your computer without much slowdown. The two main factors in addition to the sheer clockspeed are taking advantage of SSE with the Gromacs WU's and L2 cache. Of these two SSE and Gromacs is the more dominant. There is however a moderate difference from the Duron to the Tbred to the Barton; in turn Celeron to P3/Willamette to Northwood realizes similar gains at proportional clockspeed.
11-12-2003, 02:25 AM
freedon

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Originally posted by sapasion
freedonX lonewolf mentioned this already but if you re-read the FAQ it does state that beta4 need -forceSSE instead of -forceasm. -advmethods is still the same.

I did what lonewolf said and changed it inmediatlly, thanks!

PS: I've been having problems with my e-mail, can't receive attachments. I hope it gets fixed soon.
11-12-2003, 02:28 AM
sapasion

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Originally posted by thebove
ok golem ;)

You know me. I love my LOTR. Just re-read ROTK for the third time since I first saw TT in theaters. Cannot wait for the 18th and the EE.
Wait I'm OT here.
So let me talk about a dedicated folding rig. I'm seriously pondering buying a cheapo mobo, and wimpy HDD. Really that's all I'll need I would then buy that $42 Duron 1.6Ghz enable the extra cache to make it a Tbred/Thorton and OC it into the lower 2Ghz range. I already got extra ram and a extra PSU. We're adding members all the time I realize but imagine if every current member added an additional rig to their current engine.
11-12-2003, 02:33 AM
sapasion

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Originally posted by mystifmagic
Should I be using this new beta? I am still running 3.25

I'm still on 3.25 myself. If it ain't broke don't fix it. I also have not yet deleted my 78 core I'm still on v 1.51 instead of v.1.53. Nothing I've read suggest 4 is any faster than 3.25 or 1.53 any faster than 1.51. The changes appear to be more cosmetic in nature
11-12-2003, 02:34 AM
sapasion

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Originally posted by freedonX
I did what lonewolf said and changed it inmediatlly, thanks!

PS: I've been having problems with my e-mail, can't receive attachments. I hope it gets fixed soon.

Make sure you got the SSE boost. Open your log file and look for the:
http://home.comcast.net/~sapasion/SSE_boost.JPG
11-12-2003, 05:12 AM
zaku

Whoa.. you guys are really hardcore about this. ;)

I'm just running it on one machine for now, the "stock" version.. I got a question though. Can I get it to use more CPU? I have the setting to have it use 100% and it only uses 30-50%..
11-12-2003, 08:46 AM
Thermo

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Originally posted by Saffire
Ok, its late, I apologize if I'm missing the obvious -- What's a KVM? VNC? Do you need individual hard drives/power supplies for each one or is there some way to jury rig it?

No moniter, keyboard or mouse. Each would need it's own PSU, unless you got real creative with the wires and spliced on a second set. Each would have a HD. Usually just some 4Gig junk that the NOS guys sell for 30 bucks.

VNC is > http://www.tightvnc.com/

It lets you drive a pc across the network with a remote desktop.
11-12-2003, 08:47 AM
Thermo

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Originally posted by Mojo
Work Unit. F@H downloads the data to be processed in a Work Unit, processes it, and transmits the data back to 'mission control'.

Freaks like Thermo and Kaotik have done over 100 WU's in the last few weeks (steroids or THG, I suspect...), whereas slackers like my good self have barely done 20...

Some WU's are larger and have more complicated data, while others just wizz by. :)

Freaks :confused:
11-12-2003, 11:29 AM
KaoTiK

LOL! Ummm, thanks Mojo...? :)
11-12-2003, 11:48 AM
Hypo_Luxa

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Originally posted by sapasion
You know me. I love my LOTR. Just re-read ROTK for the third time since I first saw TT in theaters. Cannot wait for the 18th and the EE.
Wait I'm OT here.
So let me talk about a dedicated folding rig. I'm seriously pondering buying a cheapo mobo, and wimpy HDD. Really that's all I'll need I would then buy that $42 Duron 1.6Ghz enable the extra cache to make it a Tbred/Thorton and OC it into the lower 2Ghz range. I already got extra ram and a extra PSU. We're adding members all the time I realize but imagine if every current member added an additional rig to their current engine.

I know what you're saying. I've got both my boxes folding 24/7 and another XP 1600+ @ 1.8ghz that I am putting back together this weekend. I've been digging through my parts bin trying to figure out cheapo systems I could whip together just to fold. I've got a couple of P3 667mhz chips that are gathering dust but I need to find some used socket 370 boards for them. I have also considered picking up one of those new Durons. I've heard some are having problems after enabling the extra cache though. How do you tell the dif between the thorton and applebred cores? Extra cache or no I hear people are getting 2.3-2.5ghz out of some of those chips. Worth a try for $40.
11-12-2003, 01:19 PM
sapasion

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Originally posted by Hypo_Luxa
I know what you're saying. I've got both my boxes folding 24/7 and another XP 1600+ @ 1.8ghz that I am putting back together this weekend. I've been digging through my parts bin trying to figure out cheapo systems I could whip together just to fold. I've got a couple of P3 667mhz chips that are gathering dust but I need to find some used socket 370 boards for them. I have also considered picking up one of those new Durons. I've heard some are having problems after enabling the extra cache though. How do you tell the dif between the thorton and applebred cores? Extra cache or no I hear people are getting 2.3-2.5ghz out of some of those chips. Worth a try for $40.

Then again for another $10 might get a XP1800+ and not have to worry about enabling cache. Those if you get the DLT3C are going well past 2.3Ghz themselves
11-12-2003, 02:20 PM
serotone9

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Originally posted by sapasion
I'm seriously pondering buying a cheapo mobo, and wimpy HDD. Really that's all I'll need I would then buy that $42 Duron 1.6Ghz enable the extra cache to make it a Tbred/Thorton and OC it into the lower 2Ghz range. I already got extra ram and a extra PSU. We're adding members all the time I realize but imagine if every current member added an additional rig to their current engine.

i've been thinking the same thing. :D i have an xp1600+ here (with a stock HSF i never used), but that's about it except for an old compaq 486 prolinea desktop case that i would really like to use b/c it would be pretty slick. :D i don't think i could get an ATX mobo in there, though.

come to think of it, i also have an extra 3gb hard drive in my PII gentoo box and 32mb of PC133 ram. that might be more than enough memory for a bare bones linux install, and then let the CPU take over from there. i was just using the HD for swap space, but there might be a way to repartition the space on the other drive without losing my 4-day gentoo install. :eek:

so that would leave PSU, mobo, NIC, and possibly ram, and possibly HSF if i wanted to OC the 1600+ (and of course i would :D). but i have been thinking of getting an SLK anyway, so i could move the AX-7 onto the 1600+ and get an SLK for the barton. there might be a plan in there somewhere. i'd like to keep it under $50-75 if i could, maybe $100 is more realistic. comments? ideas? ebay? :p
11-12-2003, 02:23 PM
serotone9

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Originally posted by zaku
Whoa.. you guys are really hardcore about this. ;)

well it's for a pretty good cause. and look at it this way: if they do end up finding a cure for cancer or alzheimers or some other disease because of the folding, the life you save might be your own. :D
11-12-2003, 02:38 PM
sapasion

Top 500 according to Stanford now https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2003/12/1.gif
It also looks like we'll always be in the green over at ExtremeOCing too. Conquer On
11-12-2003, 02:46 PM
serotone9

sweet! :cool: :)
11-12-2003, 02:53 PM
XP1800

Hey guys where would the best place to get used and cheap hardware from? I'd like to setup another AMD XP rig with at least 256mb of RAM just for folding. Refurb section on newegg?
11-12-2003, 02:58 PM
mystifmagic

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Originally posted by sapasion
Top 500 according to Stanford now https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2003/12/1.gif
It also looks like we'll always be in the green over at ExtremeOCing too. Conquer On

Awesome!

Also I should note that there is a new link on the FAQ that saps added, it's a milestones page:

Sharky Folding Team Milestones

Just letting everyone know it exists, so you can watch for your names on it.
11-12-2003, 03:03 PM
speedyaxon

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Originally posted by mystifmagic
Awesome!

Also I should note that there is a new link on the FAQ that saps added, it's a milestones page:

Sharky Folding Team Milestones

Just letting everyone know it exists, so you can watch for your names on it.

Cool! Thanks for the heads up Mysti! :p

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