Has lucas gone mad?

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Originally posted by patssle
and we come back to the same argument:

are the developers really loosing money with people like me who wouldnt buy their product if i couldnt get it for free anyways?

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Simply put... YES. They still have to support you. run servers so you can play the game, provide bandwidth so you can dl patches, make upgrades so it runs on your pirated copy of your os.

As a software developer, it sucks seeing your work stolen. if you want it free, build the damn thing yourself. There is no excuse for piracy. If you want good games, you should be prepared to pay the people that make them. Otherwise, they will stop making them and then where does that leave us? SOL.

"Simply put... YES. They still have to support you. run servers so you can play the game, provide bandwidth so you can dl patches, make upgrades so it runs on your pirated copy of your os."

and if you dont play multiplayer? and you use fileplanet or some place to download the patches?

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Originally posted by patssle
and if you dont play multiplayer? and you use fileplanet or some place to download the patches?

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I'd have to say it's still cheating the game developers out of money. Usually my friends and I will each buy a different game and then make copies for our friends. This too is most likely wrong but for a bunch of poor college kid who want to play different games this is the only solution that we have right now, other than maybe going outside.

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Originally posted by Mr Cherry

I'd have to say it's still cheating the game developers out of money. Usually my friends and I will each buy a different game and then make copies for our friends. This too is most likely wrong but for a bunch of poor college kid who want to play different games this is the only solution that we have right now, other than maybe going outside.

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Oh, the irony of it all...

yet how much pro$it do they make?

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Originally posted by patssle
"Simply put... YES. They still have to support you. run servers so you can play the game, provide bandwidth so you can dl patches, make upgrades so it runs on your pirated copy of your os."

and if you dont play multiplayer? and you use fileplanet or some place to download the patches?

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LOL, right, you've never played multiplayer on one of those games, heh. :rolleyes:

even if you do play multiplayer...dosnt mean it gets the list off their server. example: rouge spear is played on MSN zone.

but..HOW do they loose money if i wouldnt buy it anyways? the fact is...they dont loose money.

TANSTAAFL my friend. YOU are trying to get something for nothing. no matter what, someone somewhere has to pay. If you would never buy it, then you shouldnt play it. They loose money on you because you are using their product and not paying them for the use. That is a loss in cash right out of their pockets. What if everyone took your approach... say 500,000 people decided to play the game without paying. They would loose 500,000 units of profit. Its basic economics. You used the goods, but dudnt pay the fee.

"TANSTAAFL"

some new language im not familiar with?

we arnt discussing if its right or wrong to use illegal copies...we all know the answer to that...and its not worth discussing. what im asking you is: do they loose money even if you wouldnt buy it if you couldnt download it?

And I am saying YES. TANSTAAFL There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. it's a basic economics principle. You are trying to get something for free and I am telling you that that is impossible. By using the product, you agree to pay the people that built it. By not paying you are taking money from them. That is a real loss. Think of it like this. If you DID pay, would they have more money? Yes. So if you dont pay, they naturally have LESS money.

A company looses money when they make a product they can't sell. Directly they won't loose money from you if you weren't going to buy it anyways, but for every copy that they don't sell they loose money. Of course if they are using multiplayer servers then they have to pay for the extra bandwidth that you use up. I don't use any pirated games on the web. But then I'm using AOL right now at home so I don't play any games on the web. ;)

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Originally posted by krack_it_up
And I am saying YES. TANSTAAFL There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. it's a basic economics principle. You are trying to get something for free and I am telling you that that is impossible. By using the product, you agree to pay the people that built it. By not paying you are taking money from them. That is a real loss. Think of it like this. If you DID pay, would they have more money? Yes. So if you dont pay, they naturally have LESS money.

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i don't understand your logic. i believe passel's argument is that say if someone were to pirate a piece of software that he/she was not going to buy anyway, i see two possibilities:

a) the person pirates it, developer gets $0 dollar
b) the person does not pirate it, developer gets $0 dollar

where's the loss?

thank you...that sums it up perfectly

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Originally posted by krack_it_up
TANSTAAFL There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

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A couple of things...

#1. Ain't is not a word.
#2. If it were, your sentence would be a double negative, therefore meaning There IS such a thing as a free lunch. :p
#3. If you Pirate games, the developers are losing POTENTIAL money, not actual money...

"the developers are losing POTENTIAL money"

but if you wouldnt ever buy it....then they would NEVER make money...so its not even potential.